The song isnt banned - you can hear it if you want with no problems - certain radio stations are electing not to play it because it’s weird and creepy and sketchy in terms of the subtle messaging it sends about consent. All the jokes in the world about “ha ha what’s next, white Christmas is racist” don’t change the fact that the lyrics in this one don’t promote the kind of things we should want in an all ages, general public, Holiday song. Will we be scarred for life after hearing it - nah - but it’s messaging isn’t what we necessarily need to be promoting as a society right now. Was fine at the time? Dandy - again it’s not banned, you want hear it you’ll have no trouble doing so. I’m good with never hearing Good Morning Little Schoolgirl again too - was it fine at the time to write song about leering at a barely teenage girl - I guess so, but it’s creepy and gross and I’m cool with opting out on listening to it anymore - if radio stations make that same decision, that’s their business’ right.
You want to listen to it on a loop in your home for all of eternity- go for it - you are free to do so. This decision is no different than regulations preventing broadcast networks from running uncensored R rated films at 10:00 am Sunday morning. Pulp Fiction ain’t banned, it just doesn’t run uncut on national tv before the Rose Bowl parade.
[Edited on 12/9/2018 by slothrop8]
[Edited on 12/9/2018 by slothrop8]
The song isnt banned - you can hear it if you want with no problems - certain radio stations are electing not to play it because it’s weird and creepy and sketchy in terms of the subtle messaging it sends about consent. All the jokes in the world about “ha ha what’s next, white Christmas is racist” don’t change the fact that the lyrics in this one don’t promote the kind of things we should want in an all ages, general public, Holiday song. Will we be scarred for life after hearing it - nah - but it’s messaging isn’t what we necessarily need to be promoting as a society right now. Was fine at the time? Dandy - again it’s not banned, you want hear it you’ll have no trouble doing so. I’m good with never hearing Good Morning Little Schoolgirl again too - was it fine at the time to write song about leering at a barely teenage girl - I guess so, but it’s creepy and gross and I’m cool with opting out on listening to it anymore - if radio stations make that same decision, that’s their business’ right.
You want to listen to it on a loop in your home for all of eternity- go for it - you are free to do so. This decision is no different than regulations preventing broadcast networks from running uncensored R rated films at 10:00 am Sunday morning. Pulp Fiction ain’t banned, it just doesn’t run uncut on national tv before the Rose Bowl parade.
[Edited on 12/9/2018 by slothrop8]
[Edited on 12/9/2018 by slothrop8]
Really?!! Do work with or for the radio station that banned this!?! 😛
I get what your saying, but come on! If people want to ban songs there are MUCH worse than this oldie gem. People have to much time on there hands looking to be perpetually offended and spewing there rage on social media. Things are blown away out of proportion whether good or bad....oversensationalized
Well I guess to fit in with this crowd, maybe I should start a go fund me page,have a candle light vigil,release some ballons,#my feelings are hurt, and vent anger on Twitter , build something in memorial for all of the people who are traumatized by this song.
Merry Christamas
really can't stay (but baby, it's cold outside)
I've got to go away (but baby, it's cold outside)
This evening has been (been hoping that you'd drop in)
So very nice (i'll hold your hands, they're just like ice)
My mother will start to worry (beautiful what's your hurry?)
My father will be pacing the floor (listen to the fireplace roar)
So really I'd better scurry (beautiful please don't hurry)
But maybe just a half a drink more (put some records on while I pour)
The neighbors might think (baby, it's bad out there)
Say what's in this drink? (no cabs to be had out there)
I wish I knew how (your eyes are like starlight now)
To break this spell (i'll take your hat, your hair looks swell)
I ought to say, no, no, no sir (mind if I move in closer?)
At least I'm gonna say that I tried (what's the sense in hurtin' my pride?)
I really can't stay (oh baby don't hold out)
But baby, it's cold outside
I simply must go (but baby, it's cold outside)
The answer is no (but baby, it's cold outside)
Your welcome has been(how lucky that you dropped in)
So nice and warm (look out the window at this dawn)
My sister will be suspicious (gosh your lips look delicious)
My brother will be there at the door (waves upon the tropical shore)
My maiden aunts mind is vicious (gosh your lips are delicious)
But maybe just a cigarette more (never such a blizzard before)
I've gotta get home(but baby, you'd freeze out there)
Say lend me a coat(it's up to your knees out there)
You've really been grand (i thrill when you touch my hand)
But don't you see? (how can you do this thing to me?)
There's bound to be talk tomorrow (think of my lifelong sorrow)
At least there will be plenty implied (if you got pnuemonia and died)
I really can't stay (get over that old out)
Baby, it's cold
Baby, it's cold outside
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[Edited on 12/9/2018 by Wis608]
"But maybe just a cigarette more"
!!!!???? Movies get rated R for that now!!! BAN THE SONG!!!!
People have to much time on there hands looking to be perpetually offended and spewing there rage on social media.
Like I said earlier, we are all over-sensitive about something silly. To me, it’s non-story that got hyped up.
[Edited on 12/10/2018 by BoytonBrother]
And this Santa cat..... promoting bad diet like cookies. He's obviously overweight. Breaking and entering crimes. Bad fashion taste. Everywhere he goes, stupid songs. Disappoints innocent children every year. Is part of a mis[truth campaign to young minds. Leaves his woman at home, to bake! Hangs around creepy elves. BAN HIM!
The song isnt banned - you can hear it if you want with no problems - certain radio stations are electing not to play it because it’s weird and creepy and sketchy in terms of the subtle messaging it sends about consent. All the jokes in the world about “ha ha what’s next, white Christmas is racist” don’t change the fact that the lyrics in this one don’t promote the kind of things we should want in an all ages, general public, Holiday song. Will we be scarred for life after hearing it - nah - but it’s messaging isn’t what we necessarily need to be promoting as a society right now. Was fine at the time? Dandy - again it’s not banned, you want hear it you’ll have no trouble doing so. I’m good with never hearing Good Morning Little Schoolgirl again too - was it fine at the time to write song about leering at a barely teenage girl - I guess so, but it’s creepy and gross and I’m cool with opting out on listening to it anymore - if radio stations make that same decision, that’s their business’ right.
You want to listen to it on a loop in your home for all of eternity- go for it - you are free to do so. This decision is no different than regulations preventing broadcast networks from running uncensored R rated films at 10:00 am Sunday morning. Pulp Fiction ain’t banned, it just doesn’t run uncut on national tv before the Rose Bowl parade.
Really?!! Do work with or for the radio station that banned this!?! 😛
I get what your saying, but come on! If people want to ban songs there are MUCH worse than this oldie gem. People have to much time on there hands looking to be perpetually offended and spewing there rage on social media. Things are blown away out of proportion whether good or bad....oversensationalizedWell I guess to fit in with this crowd, maybe I should start a go fund me page,have a candle light vigil,release some ballons,#my feelings are hurt, and vent anger on Twitter , build something in memorial for all of the people who are traumatized by this song.
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The song lyrics are problematic in how they represent consent. The male character is not taking no for an answer from the female character - and there's some ambiguity in terms of just what's he's doing to get his way - certainly seemingly trying to get her drunk. We really don't need that in a all ages, holiday song being played as part of a rotation of holiday music for all ages consumption.
If I ask my mother and my wife if they've ever been sexually harassed or made to feel unsafe as a result of a man not being willing or able to take "no" for an answer - they would both answer "of course, lots of times." A part of the reason for that answer is the way we've represented issues of consent in our media, our films, our songs - the kinds of roles and boundaries we've socially assigned to men and women in their sexual interactions, and the conversations we've had with our young men and women about consent. Two of the socially constructed positions that we've reinforced for decades can be seen represented in the song - for the man, it's a hunt, don't take no for an answer, keep pushing, keep persuading, maybe get some drinks into her, but don't accept the no. For the woman - its' ambiguous in this song whether she's saying no and doing what she can to be polite trying to rebuff the various advances, or if she's adopted the "i'm going to say no, because society expects me to and I need to protect my virtue" position - but in either case it's not messaging we should be reinforcing. Framing sexual interactions as a hunter/hunted paradigm and an initial "no" from the woman as just another obstacle to be overcome as part of the chase is how we ended up with generations of women who have experienced sexual harassment many times and have been made to feel unsafe by a man who wouldn't accept no for an answer.
Will certain radio stations electing not to play this song as part of their holiday music rotations solve the deeply ingrained issues surrounding sexual interactions and issues of consent in our society? Of course not, by itself it is the tiniest imaginable drop in a huge bucket. However, it's only by changing the ways we represent consent, talk about consent, and teach our young men and women about consent are things are ever going to get any better. This particular song not being in heavy rotation for an all ages, general public, holiday audience is the tiniest of tiny steps toward changing the way consent is represented in our society for the better. The conversations that have sprung up as a result of the controversy around the song are another step in that direction. Things don't change unless we do millions of little things differently - this may be on those tiny little things we can do better at. I would like for when my daughter is an adult if she's asked if she's ever been sexually harassed or made to feel unsafe by a man who wouldn't take no for an answer - her answer can be "no, of course not." At it's very core - that's what the debate about this song is about. Some here may think that ridiculous and making way too much about one old song - but it's doing millions of little things differently, with more awareness of what the impacts on our girls and women really are - that will ultimately make things better for us all.
Hell yeah! BAN SANTA! The whole thing is archaic and out of step with the times.
I was thinking it would be good to modernize carols for the brave new future, got a couple ideas so far
Soylent Night
The Little Bummer Droid (I have no gift to bring my bleep bloop bleep bloop)
We really don't need that in a all ages, holiday song being played as part of a rotation of holiday music for all ages consumption.
LOL. This is a contrived issue. I never heard of this idiotic song until now, and I'm old! I doubt one young person will hear this, or if so it is on Grandma's radio in the Buick Sebring or piped into the mall and the kids won't pay any attention to the lyrics, if they take their earbuds out and take a break from the murder mayhem and sexual insanity of their preferred music long enough to hear some ancient lame old people song.
The only people who might get disrespectful from old songs like this are dirty old men feelin randy after sneaking some whiskey in their eggnog at the nursing home Christmas party.
The song lyrics are problematic in how they represent consent. The male character is not taking no for an answer from the female character - and there's some ambiguity in terms of just what's he's doing to get his way - certainly seemingly trying to get her drunk. We really don't need that in a all ages, holiday song being played as part of a rotation of holiday music for all ages consumption.
If I ask my mother and my wife if they've ever been sexually harassed or made to feel unsafe as a result of a man not being willing or able to take "no" for an answer - they would both answer "of course, lots of times." A part of the reason for that answer is the way we've represented issues of consent in our media, our films, our songs - the kinds of roles and boundaries we've socially assigned to men and women in their sexual interactions, and the conversations we've had with our young men and women about consent. Two of the socially constructed positions that we've reinforced for decades can be seen represented in the song - for the man, it's a hunt, don't take no for an answer, keep pushing, keep persuading, maybe get some drinks into her, but don't accept the no. For the woman - its' ambiguous in this song whether she's saying no and doing what she can to be polite trying to rebuff the various advances, or if she's adopted the "i'm going to say no, because society expects me to and I need to protect my virtue" position - but in either case it's not messaging we should be reinforcing. Framing sexual interactions as a hunter/hunted paradigm and an initial "no" from the woman as just another obstacle to be overcome as part of the chase is how we ended up with generations of women who have experienced sexual harassment many times and have been made to feel unsafe by a man who wouldn't accept no for an answer.
Will certain radio stations electing not to play this song as part of their holiday music rotations solve the deeply ingrained issues surrounding sexual interactions and issues of consent in our society? Of course not, by itself it is the tiniest imaginable drop in a huge bucket. However, it's only by changing the ways we represent consent, talk about consent, and teach our young men and women about consent are things are ever going to get any better. This particular song not being in heavy rotation for an all ages, general public, holiday audience is the tiniest of tiny steps toward changing the way consent is represented in our society for the better. The conversations that have sprung up as a result of the controversy around the song are another step in that direction. Things don't change unless we do millions of little things differently - this may be on those tiny little things we can do better at. I would like for when my daughter is an adult if she's asked if she's ever been sexually harassed or made to feel unsafe by a man who wouldn't take no for an answer - her answer can be "no, of course not." At it's very core - that's what the debate about this song is about. Some here may think that ridiculous and making way too much about one old song - but it's doing millions of little things differently, with more awareness of what the impacts on our girls and women really are - that will ultimately make things better for us all.
Well said! The other interesting thing about this song is that it is NOT a holiday song at all. It erroneously got dumped in with them because it happens when "it's cold outside", but never mentions X-mas at all. The song isn't about date rape either, but about a time when women weren't "allowed" to just spend the night with a man as it just wasn't done and the song is about her trying to wrestle with ways to make it ok, because she want to stay. But that's not the issue anymore. I read this by Diana Arneson, and she sums it up well:
"Keep in mind that, even though most people are aware that the song wasn’t meant to be about date rape, it can easily convey that suggestion to any woman who’s ever been in a compromising situation with a man who expects her to have sex with him, whether or not she wants to. So, even if that’s not what it meant 70 years ago, it can still create some unpleasant imagery for some people. Rather like that infamous blackface scene in “Holiday Inn”: while there’s no reason to assume that the producer or director had intended to demean black people, it DOES demean them."
So, even if that’s not what it meant 70 years ago, it can still create some unpleasant imagery for some people.
Quick!...Someone call the sensitivity Police!
It's from that era of movies where the stinky leading man with brutal cigar-alcohol breath and funky teeth would force the actress to kiss, she would resist but then the gross guy would literally crush his mouth on hers until both their faces were accordioned, while she would kind of hit his back but he would smash and smear his ugly face all over hers, until she kicked up her leg in back which meant she gave in. So weird and foul.
When did anyone get forced to listen to a radio station? Or stay somewhere one was playing? Where does the policing stop and start? I am offended by rap with F word in it. Who is championing banning play of that? Nobody? Good. Get Frank Zappa for this discussion. We should ban every pre 1995 movie. they all demean women. Homemakers, ha. Go get on a censorship committee.
SNL, Alec Baldwin, Kathy Griffin, Sara Sanders smoke eye joke, Colin Kaepernick, a wedding cake, Kevin Hart, and this week it’s this stupid song. The joke is on those who get consumed by the drama.
SNL, Alec Baldwin, Kathy Griffin, Sara Sanders smoke eye joke, Colin Kaepernick, a wedding cake, Kevin Hart, and this week it’s this stupid song. The joke is on those who get consumed by the drama.
What it is the bigger joke? Those who are consumed?
Or the woeful individuals who've created the drama?
"What it is the bigger joke? Those who are consumed? Or the woeful individuals who've created the drama?"
Those who are consumed, easily.
For the most part, the people who create the drama are doing so as part of making a buck. Controversy sells. Outrage sells.
However, the people spending loads of time on the Internet lamenting that a radio station somewhere might not be playing a Christmas carol are not getting paid for their time.
What it is the bigger joke? Those who are consumed?
Or the woeful individuals who've created the drama?
Well, I highly doubt that foolishness will all of a sudden cease to exist, so the person consumed by it seems to be the bigger joke.
Good Morning Little Schoolgirl remains the creepiest song of all time.
"What it is the bigger joke? Those who are consumed? Or the woeful individuals who've created the drama?"
Those who are consumed, easily.
For the most part, the people who create the drama are doing so as part of making a buck. Controversy sells. Outrage sells.
However, the people spending loads of time on the Internet lamenting that a radio station somewhere might not be playing a Christmas carol are not getting paid for their time.
"Seen As Sexist, Frozen Out By Radio Stations"
Roughly translated, someone or some advertiser complained and the Station responded, followed by the Media blowing it up. In today's PC environment, a complaint gets a Lot of attention, someone's feelings are hurt, or someone is offended and boom!.... So, I have quite a bit more pity on the group that denounces than those who scratch their heads in disbelief and respond.
I was going to let this die, but I can't, in good conscience, because I wouldn't be true to myself. I know I will likely get flamed, but so be it.
First off, I am not trying to offend anyone, especially BigV. That is NOT my intention, and if I do offend, I apologize. I don't want to turn this into a whipping post issue, and I will try to do my best to explain my position.
Quick!...Someone call the sensitivity Police!
I get it. Many of you think PC has run amok. But you must understand that this is exactly what the oppressors always say. Things like "Boys will be boys" or "She was asking for it, wearing that" or "Stop being so sensitive, grow a pair", etc. But these are always said by people who are not experiencing the oppression! And I'm sorry, but it is most often white males who are the problem.
So someone chose an odd name...that doesn't give you or me the right to make fun of them. Just like the way someone dresses doesn't make it ok to rape them.
What it boils down to is this: Before you make fun of something or someone, think about the person who is offended and WHY they are offended and exercise some caution in your humor because you may be part of the problem. I know I have been and I am trying to change. It's hard to admit it, but it's for the better.
PS. I do understand that sometimes it goes too far in the other direction, but that is to be expected and it will balance out in the end--give it time--but only if we acknowledge the oppression and do something about it.
"Seen As Sexist, Frozen Out By Radio Stations"
"Roughly translated, someone or some advertiser complained and the Station responded, followed by the Media blowing it up. In today's PC environment, a complaint gets a Lot of attention, someone's feelings are hurt, or someone is offended and boom!.... So, I have quite a bit more pity on the group that denounces than those who scratch their heads in disbelief and respond."
The left wing media cashes in on what is a small protest. The right wing media cashes in by making it seem like Christmas itself has been banned. Cha ching.
I have the most pity for some of my conservative friends on Facebook who have decided that this is their hill to die on. Some of them are posting over 10 times per day about this topic, while there are decidedly larger issues afoot in this country!!
It is like the Tide Pod "scare." A handful of dumb kids eat them on a dare, and then suddenly the Archie Bunker brigade spends the next month on Facebook proclaiming that this clearly shows that the millennials will destroy the earth because every person under the age of 30 obviously must be living on a diet of nothing but Tide Pods because the internet says so.
No flames from me. I get it. I don't get the white male thing. I hear that a lot, and think um, just be glad you aren't a female in the majority of cultures on the planet. Way better here, WAY.
It's really more of a male thing in general. Actually white males may be pricks, but compared to males worldwide, Western Civ has calmed us down some. We are still pretty bad, but at least we have a word in our culture for sexism. We've come a long way baby.
So someone chose an odd name...that doesn't give you or me the right to make fun of them.
The "right"?...of course not, but if someone does, well, that is life.
Just like the way someone dresses doesn't make it ok to rape them.
"Just like"?...You can't be serious, comparing these two?...
