Are you talking about the instant live CDs?

It would make a lot of sense to allow torrenting of all non-Instant Lives. I would love to see it happen. It would be a great way to share the music.

I never understood why the ABB does not allow audience recordings to be traded via bit torrent, or put onto bit torrent sites?

Pretty much all other bands allow aud recordings of their performances to do this, including mule, DTB/TTB, and lots of other bands.

agree. but it still isn't going to happen.

I'm sure that the "business entity" still exists, and whatever is preventing digital trading and preventing the Atlanta Pop DVD from being released is also probably still present.

I really want to see that Atlanta Pop DVD

agree. but it still isn't going to happen.

I'm sure that the "business entity" still exists, and whatever is preventing digital trading and preventing the Atlanta Pop DVD from being released is also probably still present.

I really want to see that Atlanta Pop DVD

Agreed, it's not going to happen now. There are some sites where you can find them but they also post official releases which is horrible.

The decision to NOT ALLOW torrenting of recordings of independent origin (ROIO) has always baffled me.

years ago I saw a huge Live Allman cache in one big download. It had March-69 stuff all the way up to the Mid 2000's. I heard an 89 or 90 Liz reed with Johnny Neel that was one of the sickest things i've ever heard.

I never understood why the ABB does not allow audience recordings to be traded via bit torrent, or put onto bit torrent sites?

It hasn't made sense in years and years. I sort of understood it during the years people were physically trading recordings, but in hindsight it was a fuzzy and illogical reason even then. I guess in later years they didn't want to cut into Instant Live/MunckMusic sales, but again, audience recordings were a different deal and that shouldn't have affected older shows. They could've done a Mule Tracks thing. I can't imagine that was too huge an investment. But I don't think they're going to change that policy now. Even if they did, how many people would care? They've kind of turned off that segment of the market already and it's probably too late to get it back. It's the same thing as their lack of West Coast/European touring and the end of the archive releases and other things.

I never understood why the ABB does not allow audience recordings to be traded via bit torrent, or put onto bit torrent sites?

It hasn't made sense in years and years. I sort of understood it during the years people were physically trading recordings, but in hindsight it was a fuzzy and illogical reason even then. I guess in later years they didn't want to cut into Instant Live/MunckMusic sales, but again, audience recordings were a different deal and that shouldn't have affected older shows. They could've done a Mule Tracks thing. I can't imagine that was too huge an investment. But I don't think they're going to change that policy now. Even if they did, how many people would care? They've kind of turned off that segment of the market already and it's probably too late to get it back. It's the same thing as their lack of West Coast/European touring and the end of the archive releases and other things.

The policy pertains to traded audience recordings, not instant lives or Munch. This policy pre-dates the for-sale recordings by many years. and would have little effect on the sales of the IL's since most of these are not available as IL's.

I recall reading at some point that Gregg was not in favor of audience recordings and Kirk did all he could to keep him on board. The no electronic trading policy may have been a result of this. Until recently, DB recordings were the same way, but he seems to be relaxing that.

I for one, would download a ton if available. I lack a decent selection of Dickey/Derek, Dickey/ Jack era stuff and wouldn't mind adding to it. I don't have the time and patience for B&P's.

I add my name to the petition.

I always respected the ABB for not allowing their music to circulate in the free-trade zone. Hot Tuna is the same. I like grabbing shows off the web as much as anyone, but the ABB and Tuna have been more like "Holy Grail" shows, you have to be connected to other actual fans, and a community, to find these shows, makes them more special.

The policy pertains to traded audience recordings, not instant lives or Munch. This policy pre-dates the for-sale recordings by many years. and would have little effect on the sales of the IL's since most of these are not available as IL's.

I know the IL/MM recordings came later and said so. I am saying that I could at least understand the point of view that audience recordings were "competition" that could cut into sales of IL/MM discs even if they were separate recordings - so if the band were opposed to torrenting shows that were officially recorded, it would make sense. Opposing torrenting before that didn't make sense, and their continued opposition to it for all shows doesn't make sense. Neither does their refusal to try to make money from downloads.

I recall reading at some point that Gregg was not in favor of audience recordings and Kirk did all he could to keep him on board.

Kirk was a big supporter of tapers.....helped many a taper (me included) at a venue, if security didnt understand.....

not sure how gregg feels about taping nowadaze----but at one time, people couldnt openly tape his shows (i tried in knoxville openly but they said no, so i switched to stealth mode)........

and from what i remember---kirk is the one who proposed the "no electronic trading" policy...

from what i recall---the reasoning was that he wanted it to be more personal and like the old days----meet someone who had tapes, get address, write letter, trade tapes, become friends in the end..........the notoion of just emailing someone or downloading from a site was too impersonal.......

I never understood why the ABB does not allow audience recordings to be traded via bit torrent, or put onto bit torrent sites?

It hasn't made sense in years and years. I sort of understood it during the years people were physically trading recordings, but in hindsight it was a fuzzy and illogical reason even then. I guess in later years they didn't want to cut into Instant Live/MunckMusic sales, but again, audience recordings were a different deal and that shouldn't have affected older shows. They could've done a Mule Tracks thing. I can't imagine that was too huge an investment. But I don't think they're going to change that policy now. Even if they did, how many people would care? They've kind of turned off that segment of the market already and it's probably too late to get it back. It's the same thing as their lack of West Coast/European touring and the end of the archive releases and other things.

What was the reason for getting rid of the archive releases?

I know some people here on this site don't like the dead; but at least they release lots of archived remastered soundboards of shows that they've played over the decades.

[Edited on 11/3/2014 by The_Newt]

What was the reason for getting rid of the archive releases?

im taking a guess but thinking this also has to do with kirk leaving...

i believe he was the one behind these series----just like Dick was for the grateful dead.....

and my guess, is that the organization just never bothered to get someone else to do it after the departure of kirk........

Dear Allmans,

This.

What was the reason for getting rid of the archive releases?

Reason given? You must be thinking of a different band. They didn't care much about the archive releases and/or didn't think it was worth whatever time/money it took on their part. And in this case I think "they" mostly means Gregg.

im taking a guess but thinking this also has to do with kirk leaving...

I don't think so. The archive releases were in 2002, '03, '04, '05, and '07. As I remember it, Kirk's exit was in 2010. They did them every year for a few years, then the Boston Common show got pushed back a year, and then there was never any word about a next one. There was no announcement that the series had ended, either. Some time later they just kind of said 'Oh, that? We're not doing that anymore.'

[Edited on 11/3/2014 by Marley]

What was the reason for getting rid of the archive releases?

im taking a guess but thinking this also has to do with kirk leaving...

There is only one person blocking the release of any more archive recordings.

Still on page 35 of that book.

You mean torrent sites like etree or other sites like archive.org?

They absolutely should allow this and do anything they can to keep the music alive otherwise interest will fade and the market for anything "official" they put out will continue to shrink as people lose interest and new fans don't start listening to them.

But more importantly than allowing electronic trading... they should be opening the archives and selling soundboards of everything they have so people could buy good quality versions of shows they were at or shows they want.

It's not like people aren't trading ABB electronically right this very minute. And people are also sharing, trading and illegally download the official stuff as well. Thinking some policy of theirs prohibits these things from happening is archaic thinking IMHO. It's just like video.. they used to be all uptight about video and now you can go onto Youtube and find almost any recent show. Most musicians/bands have let Youtube distribute their music for them and they get nothing in return.

At the very least, they should continually be going back and releasing good shows from the archive on a pretty regular basis like Phish does with their Live Phish series or the Dead does with Dick's Picks (now Dave's Picks).

In fact the one thing that makes me hopeful is that they actually have a pretty long way to go in this regard so we could be seeing some awesome stuff coming out in the future.

Interest in the ABB is probably the highest it has ever been right now and I hope they release something tasty to take advantage of it and they need to announce that really soon because people forget really quickly these days.

You mean torrent sites like etree or other sites like archive.org?

They absolutely should allow this and do anything they can to keep the music alive otherwise interest will fade and the market for anything "official" they put out will continue to shrink as people lose interest and new fans don't start listening to them.

But more importantly than allowing electronic trading... they should be opening the archives and selling soundboards of everything they have so people could buy good quality versions of shows they were at or shows they want.

It's not like people aren't trading ABB electronically right this very minute. And people are also sharing, trading and illegally download the official stuff as well. Thinking some policy of theirs prohibits these things from happening is archaic thinking IMHO. It's just like video.. they used to be all uptight about video and now you can go onto Youtube and find almost any recent show. Most musicians/bands have let Youtube distribute their music for them and they get nothing in return.

At the very least, they should continually be going back and releasing good shows from the archive on a pretty regular basis like Phish does with their Live Phish series or the Dead does with Dick's Picks (now Dave's Picks).

In fact the one thing that makes me hopeful is that they actually have a pretty long way to go in this regard so we could be seeing some awesome stuff coming out in the future.

Interest in the ABB is probably the highest it has ever been right now and I hope they release something tasty to take advantage of it and they need to announce that really soon because people forget really quickly these days.

I agree. I'd love to get copies of soundboard quality shows I went to from '99-the very early 00s before the ABB started selling instant live CDs. Or the ABB show at Penn State since I don't want to buy an expensive box set just to get the one show I want that I went to with a friend.

[Edited on 11/4/2014 by The_Newt]

There are a number of bands over the years that had the same policay as the ABB and they now have changed thier policy to allow torrenting. One of the bands I know of is Dave Matthews Band. It took fans to get an online petition to the band and their management.

Hot Tuna has loosened up a bit the past few years. Mostly when they play festivals. They do record all the concerts at Jorma's Fur Peace Ranch and post them on their own youtube channel.

At least get every available ABB concert on archive.org over the next few years. The band can set it up so people can just listen and not download the recordings on that site. They need to look into what is best for the band and the listeners of now and the future.

I recall reading at some point that Gregg was not in favor of audience recordings and Kirk did all he could to keep him on board.

Kirk was a big supporter of tapers.....helped many a taper (me included) at a venue, if security didnt understand.....

not sure how gregg feels about taping nowadaze----but at one time, people couldnt openly tape his shows (i tried in knoxville openly but they said no, so i switched to stealth mode)........

and from what i remember---kirk is the one who proposed the "no electronic trading" policy...

from what i recall---the reasoning was that he wanted it to be more personal and like the old days----meet someone who had tapes, get address, write letter, trade tapes, become friends in the end..........the notoion of just emailing someone or downloading from a site was too impersonal.......

Gregg still does not allow open taping (as of this past summer). the August show I went to did not even allow ANY photo and it was a taper/photo friendly venue.

I will gladly sign and spread the word if someone wants to write something up.

https://www.ipetitions.com/start-petition

[Edited on 11/4/2014 by piper]

Interest in the ABB is probably the highest it has ever been right now

Just to be honest...not even close truthfully. Maybe for the current lineup....

Interest in the ABB is probably the highest it has ever been right now

Just to be honest...not even close truthfully. Maybe for the current lineup....

There's an uptick in interest for sure. A high for the last three or four years, probably. Nothing like an all-time high. It's something they could capitalize on, sure, but for years and years we've seen they don't do very much to take advantage of those kinds of opportunities and give the fans what they're asking for.

Interest in the ABB is probably the highest it has ever been right now

Just to be honest...not even close truthfully. Maybe for the current lineup....

Yep, i fully agree with all the other statements in peachstarr's post except for his assement of the ABB's current popularity. Commercially they were at their peak during the Brothers & Sisters "era" and quicky becoming an almost worldwide household name due to the album sales and tons of radio play for the smash hit singles "Ramblin' Man" and "Jessica". Besides from those few years their most popular era was the mid-nineties. Their critically aclaimmed reunion in 1989 and subsequent string of very strong studio albums made their popularity peak a few years later. They were headlining all major outdoor venues and sheds and were thé live band to go and see. Together with the Grateful Dead they were the godfathers of the inmensely popular jamband scene and with Jerry Garcia's passing a lot of Deadheads started migrating to the Allman Brothers shows. Currently there's a increase of coverage and online activity due to their 6 farewell shows but that will be short lived.

and with Jerry Garcia's passing a lot of Deadheads started migrating to the Allman Brothers shows.

Plus with the addition of a young Derek Trucks, and the return of Warren Haynes, an even larger group migrated towards the ABB.
Might not have happened as much with players other than them.

and with Jerry Garcia's passing a lot of Deadheads started migrating to the Allman Brothers shows.

Plus with the addition of a young Derek Trucks, and the return of Warren Haynes, an even larger group migrated towards the ABB.
Might not have happened as much with players other than them.

Not sure about this...for many years,as a fan of both,I experienced alot of people who were fans of both and the deadheads I knew,and I include myself in that bunch,tended to be huge Betts fans...in fact,to many i knew who loved the Dead,Dickey seemed like the main attraction.(full disclosure! I was a Dickey fan before I got into the Dead)

Perhaps,things merely evolved with a younger generation and for them,Warren and Derek were the draw.Can't say for sure If Betts had remained if that migration would have occurred,but it well might have.

I agree as well withABBDutchFan...I still recall the Brothers playing huge places...we'd wait by the bands entrance..they each pulled into MSG in their own white limo...they were huge in those days...the beacon would not have worked well...way too small for those days....indeed they were way more popular back then...

and with Jerry Garcia's passing a lot of Deadheads started migrating to the Allman Brothers shows.

Plus with the addition of a young Derek Trucks, and the return of Warren Haynes, an even larger group migrated towards the ABB.
Might not have happened as much with players other than them.

I would be willing to wager that a lot of the attendees at ABB shows would not be able to name the two guitar players in the band, if asked.