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Yesterday a song came up on my playlist that I hadn't heard in a long time. I had forgotten that the ABB did "Loan Me A Dime" a lot in 2000. I even caught it live twice that summer. It is really good. Gregg does an awesome job on the vocals. To my recollection that might have been the only year they played it. 

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Posted : July 21, 2024 7:40 am
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I saw the band numerous times before 2000 all the way back to February 1970 and never heard them play Lone Me A Dime. That very well could have been the only year they played it. 

But it was one of the "go to" tracks on Duane Allman's Anthology released in 1972. 

And that album sold well. Went Gold for Capricorn with 700,000 sold. 

Live version of Don't Keep Me Wondering is on it as you probably know. It's from the Fillmore East. Another hot performance that didn't make it on the album. 

One they, as far as I know, they stopped playing after Duane died is Dimples. Duane sang that one. 

I was surprised when that one resurfaced in 1997 sung by Jack Pearson. 

 
Posted : July 21, 2024 7:53 am
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They added it in Summer 2000 since there were a lot of Dickey tunes they put on the shelf. I imagine it was Derek's idea, he being a student of the band and later bringing "Gilded Splinters" and "Down Along the Cove" to the set list. They played it once more when Boz sat in with them at the 2009 Beacon run.

I know I'm in the minority, but I was never a big fan of the tune, but I will definitely take Gregg singing it over Boz.

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Posted : July 21, 2024 9:06 am
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@porkchopbob Lone Me A Dime's only connection to the Allman Brothers was Duane Allman's big solo on the long coda wasn't it? They didn't play it as far as I know while Duane was alive. 

Duane was a session player and didn't choose people's songs in those sessions as far as I know, but I know Duane suggested Hey Jude to Wilson Picket which became a decent R&B hit single for Wilson. 

 

 
Posted : July 21, 2024 2:51 pm
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Posted by: @robertdee

@porkchopbob Lone Me A Dime's only connection to the Allman Brothers was Duane Allman's big solo on the long coda wasn't it?

There are different cuts of the track, but it's known for Duane's playing through out the track (and several other tracks on the album). Since Skaggs' album didn't sell much, the track was discovered by many when the Duane Allman Anthology was released.

 

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Posted : July 21, 2024 3:19 pm
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@porkchopbob Yes I bought Duane Allman Anthology when it came out. Wasn't it about November 1972. And it sold well earning Capricorn it's second gold album of the year in addition to Eat A Peach which of course sold over a million earning a platinum award. 

That was my first time hearing Loan Me A Dime and I knew people especially at the college who played that track a lot. 

Some years later Boz Scaggs became a pop success I guess you could say. Had a couple of big selling albums with lots of air play. 

I wasn't a fan of that or Boz. Just not my bag at the time. Lido Shuffle was one of those hits I think. 

 

 
Posted : July 21, 2024 6:01 pm
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@robertdee I knew of Boz's late 70s pop disco stuff and never thought much of it. I guess some people make money making the music people want when they want it.

I don't know, this guy seems very uncool:

Knowing only that Boz, I was surprised to see him on the Duane Anthology when I picked it up. For me his voice doesn't fit the slow blues of "Loan Me a Dime" like Gregg or Fenton Robinson does. I thought he fit the Jimmy Rogers "Waiting For a Train" track much better. I bought that Boz album, gave it a chance, but just didn't get into the rest of it and gave it away.

Also, as for the song, is he really going to pay back he dime he borrows?

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Posted : July 21, 2024 6:36 pm
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I mean, look at this guy. It's like if Greg Brady's music career actually took off.

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Posted : July 21, 2024 6:39 pm
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Thought Loan Me A Dime from Anthology was quite good. Years ago I saw Boz with Fagan and McDonald (Dukes Of September) - very good concert. Btw - Jay Collins was playing saxophone in that band. Jay was long time sax player in Gregg’s last solo band.

 
Posted : July 21, 2024 8:51 pm
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@martind28 I think I just don't like Boz's singing on it. Everything else about the track is pretty stellar.

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Posted : July 22, 2024 8:28 am
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Really getting off the subject here but I believe it was Boz's wife that Dickey nailed on Liz Reed's grave and then he wrote the In Memory of Liz Reed. She was a looker! And even furhter from the subject, When Boz's Silk Degrees came out in 1976 while I was in college, that was the make out album to have in the dorm when you would bring a girl back. Man did the women love that album, as did the guys for many reasons! Smile

 
Posted : July 22, 2024 9:58 am
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@wayne The title of the LP was "Silk Degrees".  Critics (there were a few) called it, "Slick Debris".  😉

 
Posted : July 22, 2024 11:08 am
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@wayne Carmella was her name. Beautiful Latin looking woman. I don't think she was actually married to Boz but she liked Dickey too and a few times the ABB was in Macon ( not much. They did 307 shows in 1970) and Boz was on the road, she would meet Dickey apparently at the cemetery. 

Dickey had her in mind when he wrote Liz Reed but couldn't name it Carmella because Boz would find out. So the story goes and told by Dickey too, he looked at the big grave stone in which he was sitting and saw In "Memory Of Elizabeth Reed Napier" and used motor St of it for the title. Elizabeth Reed was married to a Napier when she died I think in the 1930's. 

 
Posted : July 22, 2024 11:36 am
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@porkchopbob Yes. Today the street people here call it spare change. "Hey man do you have some spare change you can part with?"

I bought those albums too in the 1970's and Les Dudek's albums too because of the Duane and ABB connection but never played the Boz albums but a hand full of times. Just too pop for me then. Played the Les Dudek's often for a few years. Les is on the cover of the first one I bought with a Goldtop Les Paul and I knew he was on two tracks of Brothers and Sisters so that sold it for me. 

I didn't know until years later Phil Walden was interested in Les taking Duane's chair in the band and Dickey was a little warm to it but Gregg and Butch were absolutely opposed. They didn't want and was not ready for another guitar player in the Allman Brothers Band.

Not sure what Berry Oakley thought other than Butch said Les gave him the creeps as he reminded him too much of Duane. He, as you know, plays the second lead and harmony electric guitar on Ramblin' Man. And I read in an interview with Les in the 90's he had the impression from Walden he would be Duane's replacement and when they got to recording Jessica after Berry died, he then knew the band didn't want him as Dickey said " On Jessica Gregg is going to play the harmony lines with me on organ. You play the acoustic guitar opening and the rest because some of the guys think you want to join the band and they don't want Duane replaced". 

I agree the music and Duane's guitar is real fine on Loan Me A Dime but would rather hear Gregg sing it. 

Boz is almost like hearing Frank Sinatra sing Key To The Highway or The Thrill Is Gone. 

 
Posted : July 22, 2024 11:55 am
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@wayne 

I forgot Boz was the "other guy" in the clandestine "Liz Reed" triangle. Duane did the Boz sessions right after he moved to Macon and formed the ABB (he is still playing a strat), and Dickey wrote "Liz Reed" not long afterwards (first documented set list appearance is Jan 1970). I wonder if those sessions of Duane's were the gateway to Dickey and Boz's girl connecting.

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Posted : July 22, 2024 12:04 pm
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@porkchopbob I believe you are right, seems logical with the timeline. Duane would have to be the connection.

 
Posted : July 22, 2024 1:00 pm
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Carmella Scaggs, Boz's wife

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Posted : July 22, 2024 1:04 pm
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@wayne Apparently Boz and Carmella moved to Macon briefly after recording the album. Seems pretty random since Capricorn wasn't even off the ground yet.

Carmella had quite a life. "Liz Reed" was possibly just a footnote to her. Funny that Dickey always referred to the inspiration and "hispanic" or "latin" - Carmella was Sicilian! But it's just as much Miles Davis "Freddie Freeloader" as anything else.

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Carmella-Scaggs-socialite-and-ex-wife-of-singer-10932897.php

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Posted : July 22, 2024 1:57 pm
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Sounds like some dirty, dirty low-down to me.

 
Posted : July 22, 2024 3:11 pm
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@porkchopbob I bet that little affair with Dickey was two or three times. Dickey himself said Duane sometimes would have 2 or 3 hundred dollars from doing sessions but he would spend it on band expenses and the rest of the ABB had no money at all. Ace Doucette said until Duane got his initial royalty check for At Fillmore East, that was the first time he had $3,000.00 in his pocket. Said often he had $20 dollars or something. 

All the gig money went for food, gas, paying the roadie's, rooms for sleeping and when it got real tight, Red Dog would share his military check with the band. 

Apparently Boz and Camella weren't in Macon long and I read your link about her death at 71 and she wasn't the type I think to enjoy Macon, Georgia in 1969-70. 

In a few interviews Dickey said her looks and how she moved inspired a Latin type Santana idea in his mind and it evolved into an instrumental which was just the opening and first part of the song. The band took that and arranged it forming what we hear today with Butch writing and adding the drum break toward the end without credit and Warren said Butch was steamed about that in the 1990's all those years later. 

I don't have a clue as to why she wanted to cheat on her husband with Dickey Betts out at the cemetery but it likely was just a very few times. You are right. It probably wasn't something that she considered a milestone in her life and may not have known Elizabeth Reed was actually for her and the latin style may not have connected to her because she wasn't latin as you said. 

They didn't live in Macon long and Dickey and Gregg have talked about how they were basically on tour from April 1969 to October 1971 when they shut down to get Eat A Peach started and take a couple months off in the wake of finally having an album that sold very well and earned a Gold record. Dickey wasn't around Macon that much. Gregg and Dickey both said in 1970 alone they played over 300 shows. They recorded Idlewild South in three short sessions in Miami, New York City and Macon. And they took two weeks off in Sept 1969 to record the first album. 

The last time I saw the original band they were fantastic. They smoked it. And I was down front. But except for Gregg they looked as if they slept in their cloths and were not getting a shower every day and I was surprised at how unkept Duane Allman looked with his stringy hair and long mutton chops and I could see his teeth a few times and they had a lot of decay. 

Duane was killed just few months later. 

They looked rough but man did they sound tight and they flat rocked it. All six of them hitting the note on every song. Amazing show. 

 
Posted : July 22, 2024 10:20 pm
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I only dig Boz on that Mother Earth album.   Dig that Duane Allman Anthology too, just listened to it recently.  And... yes, the ABB should've done "Loan Me A Dime" more than they did.(IMO)

 
Posted : July 23, 2024 1:15 am
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Posted by: @porkchopbob

They added it in Summer 2000 since there were a lot of Dickey tunes they put on the shelf. I imagine it was Derek's idea, he being a student of the band and later bringing "Gilded Splinters" and "Down Along the Cove" to the set list. They played it once more when Boz sat in with them at the 2009 Beacon run.

I know I'm in the minority, but I was never a big fan of the tune, but I will definitely take Gregg singing it over Boz.

Bob, when did they play "Down Along the Cove"? I didn't know that. "Loan Me A Dime" when Boz was sitting in makes sense of course.

I think I have a live boot of that World Music Show that is on the Trouble No More release. I'll have to listen to both of them.

 

 

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Posted : July 23, 2024 6:41 am
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Sometimes it's funny how a conversation can make a left turn. When people intentionally change a subject to discuss what they want, that's annoying. Very annoying.

At times I like it on this board. This being a good example. It made a natural segue and I enjoy the discourse. I think I knew most of it but I had forgotten about it.

Good job guys! Smile  

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Posted : July 23, 2024 7:10 am
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He’s on Children of the Future & Sailor, early Steve Miller albums that I like - then years later they both hit AM radio w/their 1976 releases Fly Like An Eagle & Silk Degrees 

Fleetwood Mac went the same route too, AM smashes in mid-70s after hard blues-rock beginning - liked all 3 change ups - the song FLAEagle was much-like Songs for our Ancestors & his early stuff, To My Ears

Elton John comes to mind, his rebrand to AM radio-friendly music after stuff like TwdCnctn, 11/17/70 , Honky Chateau etc & so forth 

realize this likely bends/breaks posting protocol re changing subject matter etc 

in a slight return to topic this voodoo child has liked LMADime since the day Anthology was released

 
Posted : July 23, 2024 9:25 am
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@lee haha I like a good rabbit hole!

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Posted : July 23, 2024 9:29 am
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@lee According to the database they play "Down Along the Cove" 3 times in 2011-2012.

I think TTB has played it more often since then.

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Posted : July 23, 2024 9:32 am
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