Also, as to the 6/26/71 show, Rowland was actually in attendance. In visiting with him about it (as I recall) during the ABB set a bomb threat was called in, so as to the overall length of stage time, the Fillmore was evacuated and eventually people were readmitted. So there was that influence to the overall length.

@robertdee better than the set included in 2CD set of EAP?!?

@dovetail Wow dovetail. It's like saying there is another version of the "Last Supper" or the "Mona Lisa" stored away nobody has seen since they were painted that are better than the versions people have admired for centuries. 

The live version of Trouble No More on Eat A Peach for example. It's impossible for there to be a better live version!! That one is perfect from start to finish. Oakley's bass and the drums are in the pocket with wonderful cymbals coloring the rhythm behind the vocals. Gregg's vocal and organ knock it out of the park and Duane and Dickey really hitting the note!!! And the entire band swings like the big bands of the 1940's!! 

I would have to hear the holy grail tape to be convinced it is better. Perhaps Gregg and Butch meant the entire set demonstrates the great play that other sets didn't achieve on every song. 

Here is Duane Allman singing it. Says he is doing two men's work tonight and not doing a good job with either one.  Gregg was sick and stayed in his motel room. 

@oldcoot I was at the 6/26 show and don't remember any stoppage during the show. I remember the doors opening and daylight streaming in. i also remember the Brothers didn't go on until surely after 1 A.M. maybe even closer to 2 A.M. The show was an 11:30 scheduled start with 2 openers, J Geils and I think Freddy King, not sure. I do remember the fire marshalls coming in on the show at the N.Y. Academy of music on 14th st. and they were talking about shutting that show as it was sweltering hot inside the venue. Don't know all these other shows you are talking about but 6/26 was the best show I've ever seen by anybody. 

@robertdee No need to become defensive and/or agitated?!?!?...what you (seemingly) misunderstood  is not what I was intending to express which is an honest curiosity about qualitative comparison between the two shows in question. (I seem to recall Dickey fluffing a couple notes or more, during "You Don't Love Me" in the one I reference (which is probably why I don't often go back to it).

@dovetail No I wasn't defensive or agitated.  I guess I don't understand what you meant. Dickey fluffing a couple of notes isn't something I've noticed on Eat A Peach.  

It's their second best selling album. Over 2 million copies. 

I know Johnny Sandlin co-produced it as Tom Dowd had to leave early and all Phil Walden gave him on the album's credits was a "special thanks". Johnny said after the album went Platinum, it really aggravated him and understandably so. 

@robertdee The notes I recall fluffed were on the live version  of "You Don't Love Me" on the 6/27 content on CD 2 of the deluxe  EAP...hope that clarifies my initial  inquiry, but I must now  confess I am not clear whether you are familiar with the aforementioned final Fillmore performance?!?!?

@dovetail Is this the version of You Don't Love Me??

I have this but frankly haven't listen to it in several years. I have a lot of music here I haven't play in awhile. 

Some nights Dickey could be an incredible guitar player with his own instantly recognizable style. Other nights Dickey can have some clams or seem irritated and withdrawn. I've seen him quit playing lead and just play rhythm in his solo space. Then storm off the stage kicking a trash can across part of the stage.  But as a whole, other than Duane, the best guitarist the Allman Brothers Band had. Dickey's sound/style and song writing gives him that position in the ABB hands down. If Dickey hadn't been in the band it would had been very different and may have died shortly after Duane was killed. 

It's incredible to think the last 14 years of the band's existence Dickey wasn't in it. Butch wanted Dickey's songs removed entirely and for a year they played several shows with no Dickey songs but that never happened. Dickey's songs slowly returned. They even returned Seven Turns with Otiel singing.  But the last lineup, while playing very well and supporting the legacy very well... as a whole the last lineup was living off what happened before in that band. For some reason they just weren't as creative as other lineups and only released one new studio album. Apparently as they got close to 2009, they thought they would retire the band but Butch talked them into giving him five more years and creatively I guess they were just going through the motions but the level of musicianship was usually very good. I think the others beside Butch, and including Gregg, were more interested in their other bands. Even the Brothers at Madison Square Garden was top shelf musicianship and Butch and Gregg of course had passed on. 

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 but I must now  confess I am not clear whether you are familiar with the aforementioned final Fillmore performance?!?!?

Not sure what your confusions is, in this very thread @robertdee gave his take on the Holy Grail show.

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@robertdee The notes I recall fluffed were on the live version  of "You Don't Love Me" on the 6/27 content on CD 2 of the deluxe  EAP...hope that clarifies my initial  inquiry, but I must now  confess I am not clear whether you are familiar with the aforementioned final Fillmore performance?!?!?

Dickey also loses his spot during Hot Lanta while soloing on the 6/26 show ...most of the clams I hear on bootlegs are Dickey...Duane had a smooth way of dealing with strong tones...like in Mtn Jam where he flubs a note and turns it into a middle eastern sounding riff...yeah Dickey never learned that technique when he fell off the track the whole train derailed. But playing live and improvising will lead to those moments and some treat them better than others.

So is this the yearly "Where's the holy grail show" thread??

@goldtop I've been curious about the "holy grail" show for 50 years.  Off and on for 50 years Butch Trucks and Gregg Allman would go to that show as hands down the best show the Allman Brothers Band ever played. The music just flowed and everyone was having a good night and on top of their game. Sounded as if one brain was controlling all six musicians. 

The Allman Brothers Band was Duane's band. Dickey said in an interview about the original band " we all knew it was Duane's show but he had such determination and positive vibes we all enjoyed following him". 

Dickey has his criticisms and nobody was harder on Dickey than Butch Trucks. But other than Duane, Dickey is the best or most influential guitarist ever in the Allman Brothers. Dan Toler, Warren Haynes, Jack Pearson, Derek Trucks don't come close. Yes they are all fantastic musicians but none of them influenced and shaped the Allman Brothers like Dickey. Through his guitar style and original material, Dickey Betts' sound and stamp is all over that band even when he wasn't allowed in it. 

At the Brothers show at Madison Square Garden after Gregg and Butch passed on, Dickey's contribution kept coming up. Blue Sky with Chuck singing was almost a Dickey Betts love song!!

@robertdee I'm well aware of Dickey contribution we're just discussing clams/mistakes and through my extensive listening of many shows...especially Duane era shows I've noticed most train wrecks start with Dickey. I love his playing. I love his songs. I love that he was in the original band...and I just like most of us here know the history having done lots of personal research and following the bands career. So no need to run done the history RD we all now it. It's well documented. I would also love to hear the Holy Grail show but unless someone can come up with a long lost recording all we're left with is people's accounts that were there. Since the band itself said it was the best show whats to argue? People there said it was great...the entire experience of closing a venue with the rich history of the Fillmore East alone makes it a great night.

@goldtop Only problem is you and I love the band and want to hear this holy grail show. I'm 75 now and looks as if I'm not going to survive to hear it or see the clean film of them playing at the Atlanta Pop Festival.  

Apparently there are no holy grail recordings and the high quality film is an elusive rumor or someone is selfish. But I've seen 3 or 4 songs from that film and it does look good. Maybe that is all there is. 

Butch Trucks did say a few times he was very disappointed to discover the recording truck wasn't rolling tape or had already left or whatever he said was the reason they didn't get it on tape. 

@robertdee Yes I'd like to hear it. Yes I'd love to see great film of Duane and the band. But on a daily basis I don't even really think about it that much anymore because we get what we get and there will always be more than what we have or want. I'm happy the band lived on through all it's variations including a show I walked out of when Mike Lawyler ripped out the synth on WP...so for a band to have it's ultimate high I guess it also has to have an ultimate low. I got to see the ultimate low. Never got to see Duane but a show I will never forget is a 2004 show at the Greek in Bizerkley...And the many great bootlegs I got over the years plus all the other music I discovered by listening to this band. I went on a 40+ year blues, jazz, country, bluegrass, folk bender just because of this band. So one show we can't have has been made up for many times over

Here's a link to Rowland's account of the Holy Grail Show. 

https://duaneallman.com/the-night-they-closed-the-fillmore-down/

It's time for a tape to surface!

@joe_the_lurker Well apparently they played about 4 to 5 hours. With the last hour or so just jamming. 

I was in New York City often back then and went to the Fillmore East some but unfortunately missed that night. 

I always missed the best night of everything!!  Like the party Linda Lovelace came to in the Village I wasn't in town.  

Well a couple years later those kinda friends of mine told me it was a joke. She wasn't there. On the upper westside partying with J. Giles Band and never made the party those Broadway guys had. 

@robertdee I've been thinking about this thread and I think you need to look at this show in a different context. A great show is undoubtedly due to the music but the environment and circumstances also come into play. I was at the show and thought it was beyond great but it was also an 11:30 Sat. night show and the last open to the general public at the Fillmore east. I can remember one moment when, I think it was Duane, turned to Bill Graham and Bill spread his arms wide as if to say all night. What I'm saying is that the time was right and everything fell into place. They were young and hungry, not that well known.  I had heard them but LAFE was not yet released. I saw Duane's movie and he talked of playing the Fillmore, which was sacred ground back then. I don't think you can get that from a recording. With that said, LAFE comes close.

@porkchopbob he did that...before misreading my comments on 6/27 show...sure gets murky in here, don't it?!?!?

There can be shysters peddling "old" tapes, like on ebay.  One guy was selling old tape and reels, with stickers on reels making look like studio / FM radio usage.  He was putting digital source stuff on reel to reel and presenting as old.  $200 a reel.  Think you found a lost gem and it is scam stuff.  Don't ask how I know 😎 

@bird72 And here is how top engineers developed the fantastic high fidelity stereo sound we enjoy when we play our copies of At Fillmore East and Eat A Peach!! 

This is the latest in cutting edge sound technology!!

And here we have that stylist pulsating left and right and up and down making beautiful music.  Half the band on the left and have on the right!!! It's a miracle from RCA Victor duplicated here by Warner Brothers who released this album for Capricorn. 

And a track from At Fillmore East in glorious high fidelity STERO on vinyl and the original pressing by Atlantic records with the pink label.  Put on your headphones and crack it up. It's not the Holy Grail but this is the Allman Brothers Band at their absolute BEST!! It's like being on the front row hearing a performance NO LATER lineup of the ABB could touch.