Haven't been here in a few years. Was wondering if 6-26-71 has ever surfaced. This was the last show at the Filmore east, and not 6-27-71.
No it hasn't surfaced. Gregg Allman and Butch Trucks both praised the show just months before their deaths as THE BEST AND HOTTEST SHOW the Allman Brothers Band EVER played. I wasn't there in New York that day but did see some Fillmore shows. I assumed it sounds something like these clips. These clips indicate they were tight and SMOKING HOT!
Haven't been here in a few years. Was wondering if 6-26-71 has ever surfaced. This was the last show at the Filmore east, and not 6-27-71.
I am confused are you talking about the supposed legendary 5 hr long marathon concert or the final show that started on the 27th but finished the next day on the 28th
Are there any known "hoarders" of ABB tapes? Or speculation of any? I've read some fans of some bands refer to some people out there presumed or know to have original tapes that are not circulated and shared.
I've been in a Pink Floyd groove lately and it is amazing the amount of transfers from original tapes that have taken place lately. Original tapes from original recorders given to people to transfer, or newly discovered lower gens, newly discovered recorders - so many new discoveries in the Floyd world in the last year+.
How often are there new discoveries with ABB? Hard to know since there is no official online sharing of their shows. Will that ever change?
I think bands like Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin etc have fan forums and fanatical members that are much more active than the Brothers working to track down tapes.
Sadly this forum is a perfect example of how the ABB fan base is slowly disappearing or losing interest.
We need a group of fans actively searching out new live tapes like the Led Zep forum Dogs of Doom.
I think bands like Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin etc have fan forums and fanatical members that are much more active than the Brothers working to track down tapes.
Sadly this forum is a perfect example of how the ABB fan base is slowly disappearing or losing interest.
We need a group of fans actively searching out new live tapes like the Led Zep forum Dogs of Doom.
That is awesome!
Bootlegger days are done. Fan transferred, mastered and shared recordings rule the day! Having to do a gofund me for studio time, or buying unknown tapes off the internet only to transfer and share with other fans!
And the list of known sources and best generations of recordings is always changing. When was the last time a lower gen tape was discovered and transferred for a Duane era show? It has to happen, they have to be out there. As the Led Zeppelin Dogs of Doom example shows, new discoveries await.
I think it all comes down to allowable digital sharing and downloading of shows. Without an outlet to share the music or newly remastered better sounding old tapes, who knows what is actually happening or not?
Actually there is still a thriving silver disc bootleg market as these new tapes are being released by bootleggers after downloading them.
The bootleg collecting market has always been a bit of a niche collectors market as most of the bootlegs are pressed in low numbers of under 1000 copies and in some cases as few as 100 copies.
I think there will always be a market for physical Bootleg CD's and Vinyl LP's as some fans just prefer something they can hold in their hands over downloads even if they have to pay for the privilege.
Allman Brothers Band
Fillmore East
1971-06-27
01 Bill Graham Intro
02 Statesboro Blues
03 Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
04 Done Somebody Wrong
05 One Way Out
06 In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
07 Midnight Rider
08 Hot Lanta
09 Whipping Post
10 Bill Graham Outro
11 You Don't Love Me
Actually there is still a thriving silver disc bootleg market as these new tapes are being released by bootleggers after downloading them.
The bootleg collecting market has always been a bit of a niche collectors market as most of the bootlegs are pressed in low numbers of under 1000 copies and in some cases as few as 100 copies.
I think there will always be a market for physical Bootleg CD's and Vinyl LP's as some fans just prefer something they can hold in their hands over downloads even if they have to pay for the privilege.
Could you actually say it's "thriving"? I'm aware that the efforts of fans get scooped up by various bootleg labels - the Dogs of Doom article referenced the one guy, said he was pissed at first, but then has come to not care what happens after he does his work.
I used to buy a bunch of bootleg CDs, a bunch. All the "imports" that were around. Maybe I'm wrong, but that industry appears to me to be a shell of it's former self - not saying there is no demand, but how many of the former customers or would-be today's customers just torrent or download? It isn't like back in the day when a bootleg LP or CD was your only chance of getting it unless trading on cassette. Bootlegers might not be dead, no, that was incorrect to say, but regular fans control the flow of shows now, not them.
Yes it is thriving nebish. There are plenty of vendors offering more titles than ever and no lack of collectors to buy them.
Popular titles sell out fast and there are retail stores in Japan that sell bootlegs legally.
The Internet has actually opened a flood gate of new tapes for bootleggers to sell in better quality and better access for buyers.
You no longer have to search local records stores or the back of magazines to find sources of bootlegs.
Internet downloading has not killed the collectors market it just made it easier for collectors of physical media to find and buy them
What's really weird is how those things go full circle, why buy the bootleg? Their source material is available online, sometimes better mastering is available online and even if the bootlegger does good work mastering their release, somebody will post their release online so others can download it for free. I can't imagine why anyone would buy those things these days, but I will take your word for it.
Collectors buy them for the same reason they buy official CD's and Vinyl because they prefer owning physical media over downloads or streaming.
I buy physical media of special music I want but also download music I don't want to splurge on physical media, which is more expensive, or there is no physical media available.
As an example I buy all new Gov't Mule CD's and vinyl but also buy select Muletrack concerts where there is no physical media option.
Too each his own.
I still download and burn CDs often. Sometimes I will print cover art and cut it with scissors and tape it on a CD case...so you can have both! Download and physical!
There was a 3-recorder matrix of Pink Floyd 3-17-1973 Radio City that made the rounds recently. 145 people downloaded it on The Traders Den, 333 people downloaded it on Dime, 308 people downloaded it on Yeeshkul and another 183 downloaded a Quad-mix on Yeeshkul.
If, or when some bootlegger releases it, how many people will buy that? 50?
You are missing the point nebish. More people are downloading these shows due to the easy access of the internet.
Before the internet file sharing that 3 source tape probably would not exist or get pressed onto CD or vinyl. People would have had to find someone who had it and trade casettes or CD'rs by snail mail so I doubt that many people would have had access like they do now.
There are collectors that will buy that show on silver disc bootleg and depending on rarity and SQ it will sell more than 50 copies.
Even pre-internet bootlegs were not high volume sellers with a few exceptions like the Stones 1969 "Liver Than You'll Ever Be" bootleg LP
Modern Silver disc bootlegs are pressed in quantities of 1000 or less and in some cases only 100 are made and the popular titles sell out fast.
I just got a Stones 2CD title of the two 1969 Oakland concerts from Japan that are from first Gen copies of the Dub and Ken tapes that were used to create the infamous Liver LP and only 100 copies were pressed. The SQ is phenomenal and it blows away the 4 other versions I have.
Evidently bootleggers can make money on such low volume releases on silver disc CD's as there are at least a dozen new titles dropped every month and even more releases on CD'r for less popular bands.
There are dozens of bootleg vendors to chose from these days so there is no lack of customers.
Believe what you want but I speak from experience as a collector.
Ps: go take a look, at this website that posts artwork of new bootleg releases if you think the industry is dying. They don't sell bootlegs or tell you where you can buy them but just give information on new releases including short sound clips in many cases.
@griff Butch Trucks was consistent over the years it was their best show. Butch said the truck recorded the previous night and that is how they got the version of One Way Out they put on Eat A Peach. But Butch always said he was disappointed when he discovered they didn't roll tape the night of the so called Holy Grail show.
Supposedly all six where at the top of their game that night and they knew the songs from playing them live so many times inside and out. The music just flowed and it was magical. And when the show finished someone opened a side exit and the sunlight came rushing in. Nobody clapped. Duane was dragging his guitar across the stage and said it's like going to church.
I'm sure it was one of their best sets as not long before their deaths both Gregg and Butch picked this show as the best the Allman Brothers Band had in its history.
But I think it has a big fish story feel to it. That fish keeps getting bigger and of course nobody brought a camera.
Love to hear even a lousy audience tape.
For Butch and Gregg to say that for so many years it's must have been an explosive set for the band. But maybe the length of the show was stretched in the big fish story:)
And they are REALLY GOOD on those At Fillmore East recordings. I doubt it is that different from those March shows.
6-27-71 WAS PRETTY DAMN GOOD. Maybe close to 6-26-71?? I've also wondered through the years " What was 6-25-71 like "? It was probably another masterpiece.
@bill_graham YES, the five hour show 6-26 LATE SHOW, not 6-27.
6-27-71 WAS PRETTY DAMN GOOD. Maybe close to 6-26-71?? I've also wondered through the years " What was 6-25-71 like "? It was probably another masterpiece.
6/27/71 was indeed a good performance but IMHO you can tell the band was a bit knackered from the marathon concert the night before. The performance seemed more laid back than when the band is on the top of their game like the March Fillmore East concerts.
Even the audience was a bit subdued as Duane made a comment about how quiet they were and that maybe they were just too high.
Hard to believe they did not record that show or that some fan did not sneak a recorder into the Fillmore East and record at least a part of the concert before their batteries died. Even more curious is Bill Graham was notorious for recording the bands at the FE so it makes you wonder if there is or was a tape of that show in his archive at some point.
You are missing the point nebish. More people are downloading these shows due to the easy access of the internet.
Before the internet file sharing that 3 source tape probably would not exist or get pressed onto CD or vinyl. People would have had to find someone who had it and trade casettes or CD'rs by snail mail so I doubt that many people would have had access like they do now.
There are collectors that will buy that show on silver disc bootleg and depending on rarity and SQ it will sell more than 50 copies.
Even pre-internet bootlegs were not high volume sellers with a few exceptions like the Stones 1969 "Liver Than You'll Ever Be" bootleg LP
Modern Silver disc bootlegs are pressed in quantities of 1000 or less and in some cases only 100 are made and the popular titles sell out fast.
I just got a Stones 2CD title of the two 1969 Oakland concerts from Japan that are from first Gen copies of the Dub and Ken tapes that were used to create the infamous Liver LP and only 100 copies were pressed. The SQ is phenomenal and it blows away the 4 other versions I have.
Evidently bootleggers can make money on such low volume releases on silver disc CD's as there are at least a dozen new titles dropped every month and even more releases on CD'r for less popular bands.
There are dozens of bootleg vendors to chose from these days so there is no lack of customers.
Believe what you want but I speak from experience as a collector.
Ps: go take a look, at this website that posts artwork of new bootleg releases if you think the industry is dying. They don't sell bootlegs or tell you where you can buy them but just give information on new releases including short sound clips in many cases.
That is exactly my point, the fans and collectors and music lovers in general control the flow, the source of the shows now, what gets released or not - not the bootleggers.
But the bigger point, I am glad there is music out there that you are happy to listen to no matter where it comes from. I will look at the link, I'm sure I will find it interesting.
Circling back, if the ABB had an open internet sharing and digital download policy I think there would be a lot of exciting things going on. But there isn't...
Very true the material released by bootleggers is from fans but even in the old days of vinyl boots that was the case.
With the advent of internet file sharing bootleggers have their choice of material now so the bootleg hobby is thriving not dying.
It is unfortunate ABB does not offer pre 2000 concerts for download on nugs but it is what it is.
Speaking of the dogs of doom, to compliment the led zep news link, there is podcast show on the topic:
On this episode I welcome Eric & Vinnie to the podcast. They are two team members of The Dogs Of Doom and are responsible for finding long forgotten about concert recordings of Led Zeppelin and releasing them to the fans. Eric & Vinnie provide us with some insight into how they find these recordings and what goes into getting them ready for release.
https://www.spreaker.com/user/areas51/s2e3-the-dogs-of-doom-are-howlin-more
I plan on listening to that tonight.
On the 6-27-7 intro,, Bill Graham says " last night they came on at 2:30 3:00 o'clock and they walked out of here at 7 o'clock in the morning:".
So if we add a You Don't Love Me/ Whipping Post and surely an epic Mountain Jam to the typical set they were doing at the time, a 4 hour show is what I come up with.
Maybe Wolfgang's Vault has a mislabeled tape with a wrong date on it somewhere in the vault.
For sure Uncle Bobo did tape the various acts.
Bill Graham and The Allman Brothers Band is a great story in itself.
The labeling question is interesting because the show was scheduled and other bands started on 6-26-71, but the ABB didn't play until after midnight, so not unitl 6-27. Anybody labeling tapes of that show could've marked it as 6-27 based on when they actually started playing (then there would/could be two different performances in somebody's collection or in a box somewhere that have two different shows both labeled 6-27).
There are so many new unexpected discoveries that happen even 50 years later with tapes surviving that it's not impossible that somebody somewhere someday will find the tapes.
You are mistaken about One Way Out. It is from the very final night, the 27th. Deluxe Eat a Peach was the original release of that final night. Clearly the version that was the one on the original Eat a Peach.
Here is a pretty huge one. D&B and ABB appeared at Stony Brook in late 70/ early 71. I mentioned to Bert Holman that there were reports that the show was recorded but the owner of the tape wanted an exorbitant payment. Bert then said "Oh, that's probably Bonnie. She recorded almost all of the D&B shows." A bonus related to this one is that Duane sat in for part of the D&B set. Wish that someone could follow up with Bonnie.
Brian Robbins did an excellent interview with producer Bill Levenson about his work putting together the Fillmore East Complete concerts in the Hittin the Note 2014 issue #82. Man I miss that magazine.
In the interview Levenson mentions nobody has heard tapes for any of the other FE closing sets other than the the June 27th final concerts.
He did mention in the interview what a challenge it was collecting all the various tapes and safety copies for the March 12th/13th sets to create the FE Complete set as boxes were miss marked so I guess there is always hope that the 25/26th shows were taped and are sitting in someone's vaults or closet.
Stranger things have shown up after all this time.
Great issue if you can grab one on ebay,
We really are lucky in the sense that there's been, what, a dozen live official release titles of the various 1970-71 dates, including a couple recently with the Final Note and Down in Texas - which were already traded in circulation, but it's great that they released official copies of those!
It's just part of being a fan, to sort through recordings and lists and search and hope that improvements or new discoveries will happen. Like the new transfer on the Gatlinburg Tape.
Regarding the potential of a Delaney and Bonnie tape and Duane's appearance on such or an ABB taped show that might exist, the dogs of doom guys, on that podcast show, they say that they still find challenges with people thinking they are working with bootleggers or that they are up to some nefarious intent with the material. People can still be protective of their tapes. And then other times they just stumble right upon one like a new source Zeppelin tape came off of eBay! And there was a new (and better) recorder tape for a 77 Floyd show that was bought off ebay. It's crazy, but stuff is definitely out there. And some if obviously lost to time...or maybe never existed. The legend of shows and tapes being out there or not is fun though.
We really are lucky in the sense that there's been, what, a dozen live official release titles of the various 1970-71 dates, including a couple recently with the Final Note and Down in Texas - which were already traded in circulation, but it's great that they released official copies of those!
It's just part of being a fan, to sort through recordings and lists and search and hope that improvements or new discoveries will happen. Like the new transfer on the Gatlinburg Tape.
Regarding the potential of a Delaney and Bonnie tape and Duane's appearance on such or an ABB taped show that might exist, the dogs of doom guys, on that podcast show, they say that they still find challenges with people thinking they are working with bootleggers or that they are up to some nefarious intent with the material. People can still be protective of their tapes. And then other times they just stumble right upon one like a new source Zeppelin tape came off of eBay! And there was a new (and better) recorder tape for a 77 Floyd show that was bought off ebay. It's crazy, but stuff is definitely out there. And some if obviously lost to time...or maybe never existed. The legend of shows and tapes being out there or not is fun though.
There may be copies of those mentioned but there are representations of what a similar performance was like the mid-January '71 shows that featured Duane (and Gregg) playing with D&B (1/22/71 Capitol Theater Porchester NY). And to the point of things popping up after decades, the ABB early show from (same venue) the following night had been in trading circles for a very long time when, several years back, the ABB late show surfaced (and included a rollicking Johnny B. Goode). All is audience sourced instead of a board, but still really, really nice to listen to.
A while back there also "sorta kinda" surfaced soundboard reels from five different 1970 shows. However, the tapes had been stored in a garage for many, many years in relatively close proximity to a body of sea water and they had degraded to the point of not being retrievable. Such seems to be the luck of ABB fans and Duane/Berry recordings.
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