Yes One Way Out had stuff from Hitting The Note and it was real good live. But some of the old stuff had already been on an ABB live new release album plus archival releases. I guess my favorite recent archival live release is Play All Night. I think Warren Haynes reproduced those tapes which were originally produced by Tom Dowd in 1992 but the only one Warren used that Tom used on the 1992 new live album An Evening With First Set was Revival. Warren used a different Dreams.
Hearing the Allman Brothers Band with Derek Trucks, Warren Haynes or Jimmy Herring or whoever covering the Duane Allman AND Dickey Betts' chairs on the old stuff just doesn't excite me that much. It sounds like a cover band no matter how good the solos are. Almost like hearing Lynyrd Skynyrd with another singing for Ronnie.
Going to have to disagree with this one. There is no "almost like Skynyrd" anything about the post-Dickey line-ups, which is a good thing.
And no, Derek, Warren, Oteil and Jimmy Herring are not "cover band" players. If Duane and Berry were still alive and Dickey could get along with people, there would have never been any replacement players in the ABB, but that is not how it went down. We are all VERY lucky that there were musicians available who were capable of stepping in to keep the band at such a high level. The ABB has made A LOT of bad decisions, but hiring Oteil, Derek, Jimmy, Warren, Jack Pearson, Marc, and Woody (and Chuck Leavell and Lamar Williams, for that matter) are not among them.
Going to have to disagree with this one. There is no "almost like Skynyrd" anything about the post-Dickey line-ups, which is a good thing.
Actually it is exactly the same. People died and were replaced. Anything else is just your opinion and how you felt about the music. But it is exactly the same. Regardless of how good all the various replacements have been over the years, it is replacement players.
I love all the eras and don't get into the "who is better" thing. But if there is anyone that doesn't know the difference in the sound with or without Dickey then you are not listening.
Any difference between the Linnie Skinny tale and the ABB is all in your head. You are just willing to accept one and not the other which is cool. But to try and pass the situations off as different - it is just not true. Different drummer, different guitarists, different bassist - how can you see it as different?
Many people would still love to see a tour and that includes myself and I don't care what they call it.
But the sound of the ABB without Dickey changed. In fact, I think it could easily be argued that Skynyrd sounds more like the Original band than the ABB did with Derek and Warren. The reason being that Skynyrd doesn't improv and the ABB do. So at a Skynyrd show the solos are pretty damn close to the record. Neither Warren or Derek possess the "Dickey" vibe in the solos or music.
I actually do buy into the "almost Skynnard" idea (even though I've never learned how to spell, "Skynnyrd").
Skynnyard (LS) actually rose above bands like the Allman Brothers in terms of record sales. I believe that several of the "southern rock" bands (hate that term!) actually modified their sounds to move in on LS's audience. The first time I heard, "Crazy Love", I thought that LS had finally come up with something that impressed me. Listen to bands like Sea Level (Canine Man) and Atlanta Rhythm Section (Large Time) - who, to my ears - seemed to be working towards that "southern rock" sound.
Just an opinion, here! 😉
. That is why I rarely play the band's last official new release, One Way Out. No Dickey and no Dickey songs.
One Way Out is a great live album by the ABB. It didn't need any Dickey songs to be a great album. That is what made it so good, hearing something different by them live instead of the ones we have been hearing since the early 70s. The older tunes they did use blended right in with the new tunes, and the new take on Wasted Words is just great, love to hear that version. I would pay big money to go to a ABB show to hear the setlist on that release. Sad it did not get more recognition than it did when it was released, it got great reviews by the critics. Second best live release by the ABB for me.
And on Dickey's final show, I went to the Columbia, SC show at the Township right before the Atlanta show and it was by far the worst ABB show I have ever attended. Still great seeing them and they had their moments but the show was way below their normal standards. For me anyway. That being said I sure wish I could see them again.
Going to have to disagree with this one. There is no "almost like Skynyrd" anything about the post-Dickey line-ups, which is a good thing.
Actually it is exactly the same. People died and were replaced. Anything else is just your opinion and how you felt about the music. But it is exactly the same. Regardless of how good all the various replacements have been over the years, it is replacement players.
I love all the eras and don't get into the "who is better" thing. But if there is anyone that doesn't know the difference in the sound with or without Dickey then you are not listening.
Any difference between the Linnie Skinny tale and the ABB is all in your head. You are just willing to accept one and not the other which is cool. But to try and pass the situations off as different - it is just not true. Different drummer, different guitarists, different bassist - how can you see it as different?
Many people would still love to see a tour and that includes myself and I don't care what they call it.
But the sound of the ABB without Dickey changed. In fact, I think it could easily be argued that Skynyrd sounds more like the Original band than the ABB did with Derek and Warren. The reason being that Skynyrd doesn't improv and the ABB do. So at a Skynyrd show the solos are pretty damn close to the record. Neither Warren or Derek possess the "Dickey" vibe in the solos or music.
I actually should have said, "There is no "almost like Skynyrd" about [any of the ABB's] line-ups, which is a good thing.
The two bands are some people's first comparisons to each other and there is no comparison. The ABB is blues, jazz, and rock music mixed up together like nobody had really done before, and there was a version of the ABB doing that 45 years after they started. Skynyrd is something totally different. If people like Skynyrd, good for them, but it is not a good comparison. People go to Skynyrd shows to hear the same thing they have heard over and over again with no variation, just like you said.
I probably took blackey's comparison for an unnecessary tangent, but it's always been something that bothers me.
Due to unfortunate circumstances when I was growing up, the first two concerts I ever saw were Aerosmith and Skynyrd. As a very young teenager (13 years old probably), I remember thinking, "What is the big deal about concerts? These songs sound better through my Walkman when I am mowing the yard." By the time I was 16, I had seen the ABB, the Dead, and Santana, and live music made a lot more sense.
I love Dickey's playing and songwriting, and I appreciate his contributions to the ABB. However, of course Derek and Warren don't possess the "Dickey vibe", and they don't need to. They possess the "Derek vibe" and the "Warren vibe" and those are pretty good vibes to be able to see at an ABB show.
I also don't like to get into the "who is better" arguments about ABB members. We have been lucky to see all of them play ABB music. The "who is better" argument about the ABB and Skynyrd should not even exist.
My brother's father-in-law is a huge Skynyrd fan and let's everyone know it. When my brother was just getting to know him, he told him he never really got into Skynyrd, but he likes the ABB. His father-in-law said, "Well they are kind of like Skynyrd... just more talented."
It is a matter of opinion, I know. I shouldn't let it get to me.
One Way Out is a great live album by the ABB. It didn't need any Dickey songs to be a great album. That is what made it so good, hearing something different by them live instead of the ones we have been hearing since the early 70s. The older tunes they did use blended right in with the new tunes, and the new take on Wasted Words is just great, love to hear that version. I would pay big money to go to a ABB show to hear the setlist on that release. Sad it did not get more recognition than it did when it was released, it got great reviews by the critics. Second best live release by the ABB for me.
I think it's just ok. It got completely overshadowed by the often superior Instant Lives (and Munck recordings), some of which predate the release of One Way Out. Some nice takes of Hittin' the Note material, but there's nothing that that turned my head on it, but I admit not not warming up to the Derek/Warren lineup until 2004 when they starting reintegrating more Dickey material. I agree that the rearranged "Wasted Words" is a highlight.
All of the guitar players in the ABB were unique players with their own style quickly discernable except for Jack Pearson. Jack can be slippery. Some audience tapes I have, Jack shows his style has a variety of strains.
I would say the ABB guitarist ranking by importance to the band's legacy is 1. Duane Allman, 2. Dickey Betts, 3. Derek Trucks, 4. Warren Haynes, 5. Jack Pearson, 6. Dan Toler and 7. Jimmy Herring.
There is no best or better than the other. They are all wonderful players with their own great styles.
To me personally Duane Allman could light up a solo better than the others. Dickey probably the most creative and melodic and a master at tone, Derek solid and technically advanced and all ready a slide legend and master. Warren rock solid and tons of cool licks. Dan Toler solid and could play fast and clean when he wanted but favored Dickey's style too much for me. Jimmy is a tone and technique master. And Jack could sound like any of them at any moment. The band certainly had great guitarist.
Going to have to disagree with this one. There is no "almost like Skynyrd" anything about the post-Dickey line-ups, which is a good thing.
Actually it is exactly the same. People died and were replaced. Anything else is just your opinion and how you felt about the music. But it is exactly the same. Regardless of how good all the various replacements have been over the years, it is replacement players.
I love all the eras and don't get into the "who is better" thing. But if there is anyone that doesn't know the difference in the sound with or without Dickey then you are not listening.
Any difference between the Linnie Skinny tale and the ABB is all in your head. You are just willing to accept one and not the other which is cool. But to try and pass the situations off as different - it is just not true. Different drummer, different guitarists, different bassist - how can you see it as different?
Many people would still love to see a tour and that includes myself and I don't care what they call it.
But the sound of the ABB without Dickey changed. In fact, I think it could easily be argued that Skynyrd sounds more like the Original band than the ABB did with Derek and Warren. The reason being that Skynyrd doesn't improv and the ABB do. So at a Skynyrd show the solos are pretty damn close to the record. Neither Warren or Derek possess the "Dickey" vibe in the solos or music.
agreed. its exactly the same thing. people died or a handful quit and they were replaced. this final lineup of LS has rossington as an original, ricky with a connection to the 70's and he's been there like 25 years, johnny singing for his brother with now like 33 years , Michael drumming with about 24 years. yes the ABB released 1 album after dicky and it was fantastic. I like the one way out live album. LS have released like 7 albums worth of tunes since getting back together but it's probably just 2 albums worth of great songs spread out among the 7 albums.
It isn't a matter of who the guitarists/bassists/drummers/etc are or how talented they are.
But the situations of LS and the ABB are the same. Members died and the bands replaced them. The ABB went through perhaps a few more guitarists (maybe not?) but the situations are the same. The only difference is if you prefer one band over the other.
It is the same as the debate people had with me here about the ABB being "an oldies" band. I said it then and it happened - they were an oldies act to the very end. Songs 50 years old making up the majority of the set. I also said then that there is not a damn thing wrong with that and there isn't. Some people think it is a knock and it isn't - if after 50 years people are still coming to celebrate the music - that is an accomplishment.
It is also the reason that Derek wanted out and has distanced himself slightly. Far too young to just fade away like that once the band wrapped it up. At the same time, he couldn't wait until he was too old himself and considered an "Oldie".
I loved all the players in the ABB. Some more than others but all were great. I saw tons of Warren/Derek era shows and loved every one of them. But it didn't sound like The ABB. An altered version perhaps and mountains of killer guitar work but without Dickey's sound it lacked something.
At the time though, it was what was needed to keep the ABB going and if I had to pick two guys for the job - it would have been Warren and Derek. Different beast but what a beast it was.
The ABB had 3 originals plus Warren, Oteil, Derek, Marc who by the time they retired had logged 76 years collectively in the band. Those guys were actually draws to the band for what they did while members of the ABB.....see the Brothers show which wouldn't have been half the draw if it included different players with Jaimoe.
Skynyrd (loved their 1987 reunion!) has had a dwindling number of original members (now 1 original, plus a long time guitarist and singer) with guys playing keys, bass, drums I couldn't name and I'm a Skynyrd fan. And ABB new music was much more well respected than what Skynyrd did 1991 onward.
Similar? Sure. But big difference.
The ABB had 3 originals plus Warren, Oteil, Derek, Marc who by the time they retired had logged 76 years collectively in the band. Those guys were actually draws to the band for what they did while members of the ABB.....see the Brothers show which wouldn't have been half the draw if it included different players with Jaimoe.
Skynyrd (loved their 1987 reunion!) has had a dwindling number of original members (now 1 original, plus a long time guitarist and singer) with guys playing keys, bass, drums I couldn't name and I'm a Skynyrd fan. And ABB new music was much more well respected than what Skynyrd did 1991 onward.
Similar? Sure. But big difference.
you are a skynyrd fan and cant name the drummer thats been with them about 24 years? he was in the damn yankess from 1990-1994 and then with shaw/blades from 1995-1996 and then pretty much jumped into the skynyrd gig after that.
also the material for the ABB was better because the guy who wrote or co-wrote 85% of the original material since 1971 was there until 2000. skynyrd would have had better material if ronnie was there when they reformed
Hello to everyone out there in ABB land ..... A DB thread always brings me to log in . There aren’t enough words of praise for me to express myself totally and try to put into my own words of admiration , pure joy , love of this original band ... Oh MY .... earth moving ,a musical arrow straight through my heart ...I love music I grew up with the best of times for music a real smorgasbord of everything the absolute best no need to say it was the 60s ... but, after all of the music I listened too, dreamed too, danced too, loved too.. I heard the ABB and was musically love struck totally ... sadly I did miss seeing Duane but heard the underground sounds of this band on FM stations L>I>N>Y> and knew this was a group I had to see ..
Seeing them live (countless times )was spectacular and I was immediately drawn to the guitar player Dickey Betts the sound the melody it was to the stars ..
Up to date ...topic .... I was beyond crushed that the band would fire DB, how could that be they were brothers and had what I thought a real bond and loved each other they went through horrific tragedies together “for crying out loud” he was a founding member GEEZ... I was blinded and still young enough to believe in fairy tales life hadn’t harden me yet ..
Maybe they were sick of DB and perhaps he was sick of them too and everyone deals with stuff to survive in their own ways ..
Its a real shame it ended for DB that way Im sure it was a black mark on his heart . He rarely speaks of it and I can only hope that Andy A is encouraging him to write it all down ... If Gregg Allman and Keith Richards , Eric Clapton wrote about their lives I truly believe its Dickey’s turn... Please do it Dickey we want to know as your fans what happened in ALL of it from the beginning and in your own words ... then think of the NEW DB threads we could talk about and not speculate on what we don’t really know ...
Lovin some DB Blue Sky days baby...and we need ‘em bad these days ... hmmmm These Days
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attended this one, mighta been my last Music Midtown. My buddy lived o the 8th floor of the condo building at Peachtree & North next to the Fox, so was camped out there all w/e. Loved looking down off his balcony at the crowds coming and going. one nite saw a group abandon their drunk friend who sat/laid down in the bushes by the building. we gave them sh!t, but they still left him. hahahaa!! Good times! Brought my EAP & Live FE albums to play to get us ready for Sunday's ABB show.
Not mentioned yet were two amazing sets leading up to the Brothers that fine sunny day. Drive By Truckers had an afternoon set, followed by drivin'-n-cryin'. what a perfect one-two punch to get the locals revved up for the Brothers!!! both bands played and sounded great!!! we likely went back to the ranch to get primed and return for the Bros i bet. (who needs Kenny Wayne S after DBT & dnc kick ass!)
i'm with others that haven't wanted to listen to the show. our group had a great time, and enjoyed seeing the Brothers outside in downtown Atlanta, general admission, like the good Lord intended! we stayed towards the back with room to move and groove. Tinsley Ellis sat in for at least one song if i recall. The long drums at the end likely helped people move on out of the fest as i think Sun nite ended at 10pm. Crazy to think we saw Dickey's last show after hearing the news re: the summer tour, and the other ending...
ps - Been listening to the recent Fillmore sets from 70 & 71 - wow! love hearing the 3 Liz Reeds to start each show from Bear's 70 recordings, such a cool progression over 3 nites for that tune! Get these multi-disk shows if you can, and don't pay no mind to reviewers who say the sound quality is not up to snuff. it's an amazing listening experience!!!
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. He rarely speaks of it and I can only hope that Andy A is encouraging him to write it all down ◦
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Andy recently did a podcast interview on the everyone loves guitar show.. he spoke a lot about his time with Dickey & inferred that throughout the conversations he had that the firing really hurt Dickey emotionally.
I too would like to read the story of the Ramblin Man
Andy recently did a podcast interview on the everyone loves guitar show.. he spoke a lot about his time with Dickey & inferred that throughout the conversations he had that the firing really hurt Dickey emotionally.
Listening now, here's the link:
https://www.everyonelovesguitar.com/2020/03/12/andy-aledort-interview/
Here's one that is bound to be interesting:
https://www.everyonelovesguitar.com/2020/04/08/r-hirsch-interview/
“Listen to the tapes”, Gregg said it as did Butch & Jaimoe. The tapes don’t lie. 5/07/00 was a bad show. I listened to it (and the ones leading up to it) several times hoping I was wrong. Not saying there weren’t decent moments, but overall a bad show.
Lowlight was their rendition of “Every Hungry Black Hearted Woman”. Yep the band started one song and Dickey started the other. If it wasn’t so sad it would have been funny. He didn’t stop for a long time. It was as if he was saying the rest of the band is wrong so I’m going to keep going. Very painful to listen to when you care about the band as much as most of us do.
I saw two shows that summer with Jimmy H. Kansas City and St. Louis. No impersonating whatsoever. He is Jimmy and he was Jimmy. They were solid shows. Full band introductions at both shows. IN FACT in St Louis they dedicated In Memory of Elizabeth Reed to who….. Dickey Betts. Up until the law suit they kept saying they hoped Dickey would be back. Whether they meant it or not I don't know.
I appreciate folks who idolize the original band and I agree no other version had the vibe of the original. BUT from 2001 – 2014 we got more set list variation, more changing things up - re-arranging and more covers (arguably what made them famous in the first place) than ever before. The vibe was not as good as the original but there was a precision that NEVER existed in any other version. Go ahead and find me a decent version of the original band playing Black Hearted Woman. It doesn’t exist. The few that you can find are weak. The WH & DT version slam dunked it on a regular basis.
I Love Dickey Betts and you cannot overstate his contributions to the band. Jaimoe said nobody gets fired you quit or you die. Dickey chose to quit. No other version would ever be like the original but I am extremely grateful for the music they gave us between 2001 – 2014.
P.S. The Whipping Post on One Way Out is not the same version as the Beacon video they released and is as good as ANY other short of LAFE. Less vibe more precision. Warrens solo was out of this world. One Way out is a very good live album and it’s only fault is the lack of IMOER & Jessica.
Andy recently did a podcast interview on the everyone loves guitar show.. he spoke a lot about his time with Dickey & inferred that throughout the conversations he had that the firing really hurt Dickey emotionally.
Listening now, here's the link:
https://www.everyonelovesguitar.com/2020/03/12/andy-aledort-interview/
Great listen for anyone who wants to hear some great Dickey stories. Andy is a great storyteller. Always love hearing about growing up in NYC in the 60s and 70s, probably many here who can relate.
Some highlights:
- Dickey fired Andy 4 times! Must be doing something right.
- One of the reasons Warren plays slide in standard tuning is because Dickey wouldn't give him enough time to switch guitars between songs. Funny since Dickey didn't want to wait for Duane to re-tune in between songs so he gave him the SG for open E.
- I remember how suddenly Dan Toler left Great Southern in 2005, and that it was tense, but even Andy doesn't have more info. I remember there was a tirade that may or may not have been written by Dan Toler at the time, there was a lot of debate if it was actually him or not since he was always known as such a nice guy.
- Dickey would rather have an imperfect show than a soul-less show. The guy wanted something great, and we all heard or got reports of sloppy Great Southern shows from the 2000s.
- I saw Dickey in 2014 and agree with Andy that they sounded really great. Best I had heard Great Southern. Agree that he did not sound great in 2018.
“Listen to the tapes”, Gregg said it as did Butch & Jaimoe. The tapes don’t lie. 5/07/00 was a bad show. I listened to it (and the ones leading up to it) several times hoping I was wrong. Not saying there weren’t decent moments, but overall a bad show.
Lowlight was their rendition of “Every Hungry Black Hearted Woman”. Yep the band started one song and Dickey started the other. If it wasn’t so sad it would have been funny. He didn’t stop for a long time. It was as if he was saying the rest of the band is wrong so I’m going to keep going. Very painful to listen to when you care about the band as much as most of us do.
I saw two shows that summer with Jimmy H. Kansas City and St. Louis. No impersonating whatsoever. He is Jimmy and he was Jimmy. They were solid shows. Full band introductions at both shows. IN FACT in St Louis they dedicated In Memory of Elizabeth Reed to who….. Dickey Betts. Up until the law suit they kept saying they hoped Dickey would be back. Whether they meant it or not I don't know.
I appreciate folks who idolize the original band and I agree no other version had the vibe of the original. BUT from 2001 – 2014 we got more set list variation, more changing things up - re-arranging and more covers (arguably what made them famous in the first place) than ever before. The vibe was not as good as the original but there was a precision that NEVER existed in any other version. Go ahead and find me a decent version of the original band playing Black Hearted Woman. It doesn’t exist. The few that you can find are weak. The WH & DT version slam dunked it on a regular basis.
I Love Dickey Betts and you cannot overstate his contributions to the band. Jaimoe said nobody gets fired you quit or you die. Dickey chose to quit. No other version would ever be like the original but I am extremely grateful for the music they gave us between 2001 – 2014.
P.S. The Whipping Post on One Way Out is not the same version as the Beacon video they released and is as good as ANY other short of LAFE. Less vibe more precision. Warrens solo was out of this world. One Way out is a very good live album and it’s only fault is the lack of IMOER & Jessica.
you got more covers and changing and rearranging because they weren't making new albums. have to add more covers or break out old tunes when they guy who kept the new tunes flowing was no longer in the band
Jimmy KC. Jaimoe had nothing to do with Dickey being ousted according to Red Dog. Butch swore after the Atlanta show and Kirk West heard him, say he would never ever play with Dickey again. Butch's wife found out from Gregg's then wife that Gregg couldn't take Dickey anymore. The heavy drinking, bullying, running the band like a dictator and now shows with blown guitar playing. Butch called Gregg and said he was done with Dickey too but rather than us quit and the summer tour is canceled, let's get rid of Dickey. Gregg said what about Dickey's contract. Butch said the original four don't have a contract. We don't work for the band, we are the band and how we vote is what happens. Let's call Jaimoe and tell him we want Dickey out. But Jaimoe wouldn't agree and said the line you either die or quit to get out of this band. Jaimoe did vote with Gregg and Butch to lay Dickey off for the summer so they could save the summer tour, plan a meeting in the fall to see if Dickey is better, then decide what to do. Yes later Dickey told the press that the tour has started without me and I'm being impersonated and I can't get any answers being I've called Gregg more than once and he hangs up on me...so I've hired legal counsel so maybe I'll get some answers now. The band then got legal counsel and an arbitration meeting was held with Dickey wanting to be compensated for his contributions to the band. Dickey suggested if you all don't want to work with me, they do a farewell tour and breakup but Gregg and Butch refused. So Dickey wanted to be paid and they reached a settlement that apparently was over a million dollars. When Dickey left the room, Jaimoe said I guess Dickey just quit. Butch was relieved Dickey was gone and was pleased they accomplished that even if they had to pay.
Butch then offered Dickey's spot to Jimmy Herring who refused.
Also I think Otiel Burbridge got chewed out by Butch for dedicating Liz Reed to Dickey in summer 2000. Some years later Gregg wanted to fire Otiel but Warren stepped in and threatened to quit if they did.
Jimmy KC, maybe you never heard the original band do Every Hungry Woman as good as the last (Warren/Derek); lineup. I never heard the Warren/Derek lineup play Statesboro Blues, Must Have Done Somebody Wrong, You Don't Love Me, Hot Lana, In Memory of Elizabeth Reed, Whipping Post, One Way Out and Trouble No More as good as the original band does on At Fillmore East and Eat A Peach.
Yes Warren and Derek are wonderful musicians and great guitarist. But when did they put the fire into and light up a solo like Duane Allman does on Fillmore East on Liz Reed, You Don't Love Me, Must Have Done Somebody Wrong etc???
And did the Warren/Derek lineup come up with a Dreams, Whipping Post, Every Hungry Woman, Ain't Waisting Time No More, In Memory of Elizabeth Reed, Jessica, Blue Sky, Ramblin' Man, Southbound etc.
It is useless to attempt to compare the Warren/Derek lineup with the original band.
The last lineup did do a fine job recreating the original band and on the old stuff I can hear Derek and Warren tip their hats at Duane and Dickey over and over putting in a Duane or Dickey lick here and there. I am told Warren and Derek are huge fans of Duane and Dickey and careful defenders of the band's legacy. I have great respect for all the younger players in the last lineup and I admire Gregg, Butch and Jaimoe. Too bad Dickey came off the rails and had business run ins with Butch. One of which went all the way back to 1970.
Warren and Derek knew there wouldn't still be an Allman Brothers to play in if it hadn't been for Dickey. Several times they tried to get Dickey to sit in. 2009 and 2014 are two of them. They knew they were keeping a iconic band alive but, as you may know, planned to sunset the band in 2009. As the 40th anniversary approached, Butch needed to keep going so they agreed to 5 more years. In 2014 Butch needed to keep going again and Warren and Derek quit with the band's legacy in good shape unlike 1982.
Anyway we may see some of this differently but I appreciate you being a fan Jimmy KC. I know how one can get hooked on this band and its music. For us who really got addicted, it's the best music ever.
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Black Hearted Woman was my example Blackey, but your mention of Every Hungry Woman reminds me that is another that the last line up really kicked ass on comparatively to the first.
I think you misunderstand me, it would be impossible to suggest ANY version of the band sounded better than the original as a whole. It's just my opinion that the last lineup, which lasted longer than any other lineup, held their own quite well compared to any other line up after Chuck & Lamar were gone. And on at least a couple of songs with "Woman" in the title it seems they held their own vs the original.
I am a huge fan of Dickey Betts and I was pissed when I found out he wasn't going to be at the shows I had tickets for in 2000. Then I listened to the tapes. Then I went to the summer shows.
The band had to do something, so they did. I wish it had worked out differently but it didn't. What I am saying is that I am very thankful that we got the music we did from 2001 - 2014.
I will correct you on one thing though. Dickey Betts posted right here on this site (The Guest Book) that when he DID finally get Gregg on the phone that Gregg said, "Listen to the Tapes". It was after that he filed suit.
I believe it really hurt Dickey and I hate that. There is a youtube video interview of DB where you can tell that it hurt him really bad. Pride can be very destructive though. All he had to do was say, give me another chance I will do better. Jaimoe's vote would have made it impossible for Butch or Gregg to do anything other than concede or quit.
Cool Jimmy KC. I think Warren has said the early 90's were some of the hottest shows he had with the band. And they were doing some decent writing too.
I wasn't that impressed with the last lineup recreating Eat A Peach. I listen to that again awhile back and before they kick it off on Blue Sky, Gregg says something like, I never thought I would be singing this thing:)
The Fox Box is one of the live sets I spin and the last lineup is cooking on it. I'm glad they ignored Butch and didn't continue to omit Dickey's songs.
I don't remember Dickey posting here but Butch regularly.... beginning in the mid 90's. It was really cool and nice and Butch would answer our questions and was friendly and in 1995 seemed to be pleased with the band and proud of its past except for the Dan Toler/Dave Goldflies lineup. But by about 2008 Butch had a blog and he began to be a little nasty and blunt and some of those posting would be nasty to him. He would delete some of the more nasty ones made toward him but never shut down the comments section. Butch eventually stop posting. There may have been a lot of stress on Butch beginning around 2008 or so.
Take care JimmyKC. Be safe out there. This virus is dangerous and ruining the economy and the music touring business.
To my knowledge Dickey only posted the one time, shortly after the news of the fax. It was kind of an inebriated ramble unfortunately. Lana confirmed it was him and it was later deleted I believe. It was sad. He went on and on about the fax and the band not wanting him to drink beer with his buddies before shows. But he did acknowledge talking to Gregg briefly. I think he said, but may be wrong, that Gregg hung up on him. Honestly thinking twice about all these posts. THEY WERE AN AWSOME BAND and two are still living. I'd hate for some my bad decisions to get posted on the internet on a regular basis.
You take care too my friend. Quarantine stinks. The traffic has sure been light though 
[Edited on 5/13/2020 by KCJimmy]
Yes your right Jimmy KC. Jaimoe and Dickey are heroes of mine. They went through a lot to create and deliever this great music. Then first year they were all piled in a small vehicle which was cold and uncomfortable and went to shows all over. 305 shows in 1970. Gregg, Duane, Dickey, Berry, Butch and Jaimoe got to know each other too well that year. It was a tough life.
[Edited on 5/14/2020 by JimSheridan]
Andy recently did a podcast interview on the everyone loves guitar show.. he spoke a lot about his time with Dickey & inferred that throughout the conversations he had that the firing really hurt Dickey emotionally.
- I remember how suddenly Dan Toler left Great Southern in 2005, and that it was tense, but even Andy doesn't have more info. I remember there was a tirade that may or may not have been written by Dan Toler at the time, there was a lot of debate if it was actually him or not since he was always known as such a nice guy.
Probably only Dickey & the rest of Great Southern know the whole story... - Dickey was the one that had the tirade as Dan had quit the band a few days before a tour started. Dickey vented his frustration live on a web show he was doing ( one of the first of it's kind). He was really mad that Dan had quit, speculation is the disagreement was over the living arrangements for Frankie Toler who was ill at the time. (fortunately they made amends towards the end of Dan life).
Look, coronavirus does not need to stop musicians from doing live shows. In my SarsCov2 thread on the Whippin Post I explained what a local promoter and some less than prominent bands have come up with as an idea to keep live music in this environment. Sort of a variation on drive in movie theaters modified to provide coronavirus protection. Venue parking lots modified for drive in outdoor concerts. It is doable. No show has to be Dickey's last until he joins the rest of them in the band up there in the sky.
All he has to do is get people to play with and do some gigs. Devon and Duane could come out and Duane plays in both bands. The world is changing so just adapt to it.
