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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 10:44 AM
I've often thought it would be a lot better for the country if the President were to have one six-year term. He'd (or she'd) have a reasonable amount of time to get started, wouldn't need to worry about policies affecting the chances of re-election, and wouldn't spend the last year or so campaigning for another term.

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 10:48 AM
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If Palin was elected, she would resign on Jan 21.


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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 11:04 AM
I'd agree to a six year term if there were term limits in place for the rest of congress......and the lifetime benefits were taken away from all of them so they'd actually have to go out into the real world and make a living in any mess they made,

 

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 11:04 AM
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No. He would be a lame duck on day 1.
By this reasoning he's a lame duck on the first day of the second term.

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 11:06 AM
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No. He would be a lame duck on day 1.
By this reasoning he's a lame duck on the first day of the second term.

Billastro


Keywords here are "second term"...meaning "Twice elected"

 

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 11:07 AM
I like the two 4 year terms. If you can convince a majority of the epoepl that you've been doing a decent a job you get another term. If not, you're out.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 11:37 AM
they're letting epoepl's vote now?
 

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 12:15 PM
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they're letting epoepl's vote now?


Utah was the last state to ratify this

 

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 12:41 PM
i like 1 six year term.

when you have 2 4year terms, presidents spend the last 2 years campaigning instead of working. then they spend the last two years of the second term as a lame duck.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 12:44 PM
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I like the two 4 year terms. If you can convince a majority of the epoepl that you've been doing a decent a job you get another term. If not, you're out.

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Re-election gives the President a reason to work hard, meet campaign promises, and all that good stuff. Why fix what ain't broke?
Can't argue with either of these.

I don't see it happening but I was curious. I wish the Framers had set it up differently, but I wish a lot of things.

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 01:42 PM
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I'd agree to a six year term if there were term limits in place for the rest of congress......and the lifetime benefits were taken away from all of them so they'd actually have to go out into the real world and make a living in any mess they made,

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I was just going to agree will Billastro ( probably a first for me) but I think that Ann's addition is correct also. I'd like one longer term for everyone and then GO HOME!!!!

 

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 01:42 PM
No from me unless it's two six year terms. One term equals lame duck status right out of the gate. If the opposing party doesn't like who is in power they will just bide their time and pass no legislation and wait for the next President to be elected.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 02:58 PM
One six year term, that way who ever win can go quickly into the "Governing" mode, instead of staying constantly in the "Campaign" mood. Btw, I don't think a six-year "one term" President woul be a "lame duck"


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I like the two 4 year terms. If you can convince a majority of the epoepl that you've been doing a decent a job you get another term. If not, you're out.

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Re-election gives the President a reason to work hard, meet campaign promises, and all that good stuff. Why fix what ain't broke?
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Perhaps one of you two can explain George W. Bush re-election.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 03:30 PM
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I've often thought it would be a lot better for the country if the President were to have one six-year term. He'd (or she'd) have a reasonable amount of time to get started, wouldn't need to worry about policies affecting the chances of re-election, and wouldn't spend the last year or so campaigning for another term.

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Billastro



The way it has been is that the first term the President has to try and meet a medium that satisfies a large number of voters on both sides. Not much chance of re-election if he doesn't do that.
The sitting President can then look at what he has accomplished during the three years in office, look at what his "standing" is with political circles, compare the possible opposition, and decide if a re-election is possible.
Knowing that a third term is not possible, the sitting President, if re-elected, should work hard to get measures passed that he based his original platform/promises on.
A six year term would not really be feasible for the public. If they find out they voted in someone who isn't living up to the promises of what they believed in, they don't want to wait six years to vote them out.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 03:40 PM
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Sure - mostly, it was a testament to the overwhelming stupidity of the American public. You also had massive amounts of fear-mongering, and slandering John Kerry's career in the military and public service, to boot. It also does go to show (although I doubt this is what you were getting at) the power of incumbency.


And you don't think that American public can't be fool again and be swayed by attack ads, smear campaigns, and vote every bit as stupidly as they did in the 2004 election. My guess it more likely to happen, than not to happen. Hate to say it, but the American public often has a "short memory" and doesn't learn lessons very well, especially in regards to politics. P.T. Barnum was absolutely correct when he said a "sucker is born every minute".

The beauty of a single six year term, is no one side will have the power of incumbency.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 03:47 PM
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I like the two 4 year terms. If you can convince a majority of the epoepl that you've been doing a decent a job you get another term. If not, you're out.

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Re-election gives the President a reason to work hard, meet campaign promises, and all that good stuff. Why fix what ain't broke?
Can't argue with either of these.

I don't see it happening but I was curious. I wish the Framers had set it up differently, but I wish a lot of things.

Billastro



The framers set up the Presidency without limit on the number of terms for which he could stand for election. The 22d Amendment changed that in the 40's. It seems insulting to the electorate that we need an amendment to protect us from our own supposed folly. So my first preference is to be able to elect whoever I want.

But to answer your question as posed, I lean, not very strongly though, to the singe six- year term. Sometimes I think the Pres needs to take the longer view that this would allow, as opposed to always having to react to the short-term whims of Americans.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2009 at 07:37 PM
Why does there need to be term limits at all? If the President does a lousy job do not re-elect him, if he is doing a good job, why do we have to make him leave? The people have a choice every 4 years, and it should be the popular vote that elects him, not the Electoral College.

 

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