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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 09:52 AM
I'm not saying I'm just saying. M16 used in the latest Alabama tragedy.

 

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There was a situation here in Indy about 4-5 yrs ago. I am trying to remember all of the details.I found some exerts from from an article about this...
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Police had seized guns owned by Southside resident Kenneth Anderson in January 2004 when he was hospitalized as delusional, paranoid and violent.

Anderson never faced criminal charges, and the law at the time did not give officials the authority to keep his guns. After he was released from the hospital, Anderson filled out the paperwork, submitted his fingerprints and took his guns home in March 2004.

Five months later, armed with some of those weapons, Anderson killed Patrolman Timothy "Jake" Laird in a rampage that also claimed the life of Anderson's mother and injured four other police officers.



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February 15, 2009


Owners must give fingerprints to get guns back from IMPD

By Vic Ryckaert
vic.ryckaert@indystar.com

An Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department rule that makes it harder to reclaim a seized gun than to buy one is drawing criticism from gun-rights advocates and has spawned at least one lawsuit.

The rule, adopted decades ago, requires gun owners cleared of a crime to provide fingerprints before they can recover a gun from the police property room. Indianapolis' rule is more stringent than those of similar-size cities in the Midwest and could lead to the destruction of legally owned guns.

Indianapolis police officials defend the rule as an important tool for keeping guns out of criminals' hands.

"Our goal . . . is to help ensure we do not release any weapon to a person with a felony conviction or to a person who might use a gun inappropriately," said Police Chief Michael Spears. "We also need to positively identify the individual to whom a weapon is returned."

Police seize guns for a host of reasons: They might have been involved in crimes; they might have been in a car or home where someone was arrested; some are recovered as stolen property and traced to the legitimate owners.

After guns are seized, rightful owners are free to claim any weapons not held as evidence. Unclaimed guns or those that can't be traced to a legal owner are destroyed.

In 2008, IMPD seized more than 3,000 weapons. Of those, 766 were returned to owners and 2,281 were sent to be destroyed by the Marion County Sheriff's Department. Certified Firearms Solutions of Lafayette visits the Sheriff's Department every few months to dismantle the guns, chop the bodies in half and melt the scrap metal.

To reclaim a gun, the owner must fill out a form at the City-County Building, where police check identification and take fingerprints. Officers then run a background check. If everything checks out, police notify owners that they may pick up their guns. The process takes four to eight weeks.

Owners then go to the police property room in the basement of the City-County Building, where they fill out more paperwork, give another fingerprint and get their weapons.

The origin of that procedure is unclear; city officials say the policy has been in effect more than 30 years. But it recently came under scrutiny when a Westside man filed suit in federal court to reclaim guns seized during a search two years ago.

Wrong address

Police came to Grady Scott's home in November 2006, looking for a drug dealer. Officers took a .38-caliber handgun and an SKS assault rifle

As it turned out, the wrong address was on the search warrant.

Scott, 69, sought to reclaim his guns but refused to be fingerprinted. He hired Indianapolis attorney Paul Ogden to represent him in the federal lawsuit.

Ogden, who filed the suit in November, also asked a federal judge to force IMPD to stop fingerprinting all gun owners.

"Here you have a guy who shouldn't have had his guns taken in the first place," Ogden said. "If fingerprinting was a requirement to have guns in your home, that's one thing, but it's not."

The department has destroyed Scott's guns. If Scott wins his lawsuit, taxpayers likely will have to pay for replacements.

Ogden points out that it's much simpler to buy a gun than to retrieve one from Indianapolis police. Under federal law, a purchaser simply has to show identification and clear a federal background check that gun store clerks complete in a short phone call. People can avoid the background checks and still legally purchase guns from a friend or a private seller at a gun show.

Rachel Parsons, a spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association, called IMPD's policy of fingerprinting gun owners "unreasonable and excessive."

Stephen Dunlop, president of Hoosiers Concerned About Gun Violence, said fingerprinting helps police keep guns out of the hands of criminals and other dangerous individuals.

"Since the gun community has been so resistant to any registration of guns and any tracking of guns once they leave the gun store, this is a real problem for police," Dunlop said. Fingerprinting "is not an unreasonable thing to do to try to confirm the identity."

Honest gun owners should have no problem with submitting to fingerprint checks, Dunlop said.

"You have to think: 'Why would someone refuse to give their fingerprint?' " he said.

A survey of police departments in the Midwest found Indianapolis to be the only one to require fingerprints from owners retrieving a seized firearm. Police in Louisville, Ky.; Cincinnati; Cleveland; and Milwaukee require identification and background checks, but no fingerprints.

The city's view

Jon Mayes, a lawyer for the city of Indianapolis, said public safety officials have a responsibility to ensure that the guns are returned to a legally qualified owner.

"We believe that that very small inconvenience is outweighed by the benefit of public safety," he said.

If the city were to loosen its gun-return policy, Mayes said, taxpayers would be exposed to other lawsuits if one of those guns were later used to commit a crime.

The gun return policy is a sensitive issue for Indianapolis police, who saw one of their own shot to death more than four years ago after guns were given back to a mentally ill man.

Police had seized guns owned by Southside resident Kenneth Anderson in January 2004 when he was hospitalized as delusional, paranoid and violent.

Anderson never faced criminal charges, and the law at the time did not give officials the authority to keep his guns. After he was released from the hospital, Anderson filled out the paperwork, submitted his fingerprints and took his guns home in March 2004.

Five months later, armed with some of those weapons, Anderson killed Patrolman Timothy "Jake" Laird in a rampage that also claimed the life of Anderson's mother and injured four other police officers.

In response, lawmakers in 2005 gave prosecutors the ability to ask a judge to keep weapons taken from dangerous individuals who are mentally or emotionally unstable.

"Once a gun is in our possession, it is our responsibility to ensure that it's not being released to somebody who poses a threat to society," said Sgt. Matthew Mount, IMPD spokesman. "To not do so would be a dereliction of our duty."

Indianapolis attorney David Hennessy retrieved 10 guns from the property room on behalf of a client in December. The process took about a month, Hennessy said.

"It perplexes me that it's easier to acquire new property that it is to get back property you already own," Hennessy said. "I would personally like to see more stringent requirements for people to get guns, new or used. There are far too many guns out there."

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 10:11 AM
Assault Weapons "Mass Produced Mayhem"

http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/reports/mass-produced-mayhem.pdf

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 10:28 AM
I'm not a gun guy. I don't own one, there's not one in my house - I am not a hunter.

Let's say for a second that there's a bottle of whiskey and keys to a Chevy sitting on a table. Until somebody consumes said whiskey and takes the keys and drives that Chevy, there is really no chance of danger. Right? Similarly, a gun laying on a table (even one not locked in a gun safe) cannot jump up and fire at people. It takes a human being with bad intent before any harm can come from that, or any gun.

Over in the other forum, some JERK blames this shooting on the politics of the previous administration. My jaw dropped open so fast I might've loosened a couple of teeth when it hit my desk.

Let me say that I do not understand why anybody would need an automatic weapon. Anybody who anticipates the type of action that requires a fully automatic weapon for defense is either leading a pretty bad lifestyle or they just have too many valuables visable about them. I digress, forgive me.

So, let's make auto-fire weaponry illegal! That will prevent anymore mass-murders froom occurring, right?


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What was the biggest incident of school violence in U.S. history? Bonus points if you can name the year, town and more importantly, the weaponry used.

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The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, USA, on May 18, 1927, which killed 45 people and injured 58. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7-12 years of age) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest act of mass murder in a school in U.S. history. The perpetrator was school board member Andrew Kehoe, who was upset by a property tax that had been levied to fund the construction of the school building. He blamed the additional tax for financial hardships which led to foreclosure proceedings against his farm. These events apparently provoked Kehoe to plan his attack.

On the morning of May 18, Kehoe first killed his wife and then set his farm buildings on fire. As fire fighters arrived at the farm, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many of the people inside. Kehoe used a detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of pyrotol which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers started gathering at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and detonated a bomb inside his shrapnel-filled vehicle, killing himself and the school superintendent, and killing and injuring several others. During the rescue efforts, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the school's south wing.

 

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Let me say that I do not understand why anybody would need an automatic weapon. Anybody who anticipates the type of action that requires a fully automatic weapon for defense is either leading a pretty bad lifestyle or they just have too many valuables visable about them.



AMEN BROTHER!!! Thats exactly how I feel. Why in the world would anyone need those!

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 11:57 AM
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I'm not saying I'm just saying. M16 used in the latest Alabama tragedy.


All the details arent in yet, but nobody has ever said they are never used. They are used so infrequently as to be almost non-existent as a statistic. Anyway, someone mentioned a "30 round burst" coming from the shooter. If so, chances are its not a legally owned/possessed weapon.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 12:15 PM
And, as usual, no comment on the fact that a gun is an inanimate object and that it was a lowlife HUMAN who did the killings. Baseball bats and knives hurt more people in America than auto-guns. Should we ban them??

 

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http://news.google.com/news?ned=us&hl=en&q=baseball+bat+murde r&scoring=n&start=0

Evening Post - 3 hours ago
She said: "There was another man without a mask carrying a yellow baseball bat. He hit the pub window, shattering it with the bat. ...Scott sentenced to life in Marksville beating death



Gravenhurst Banner - 2 hours ago
In 2005, Davis was viciously assaulted in Toronto by a man wielding a baseball bat. That crime was never solved, and on May 18, 2007, Davis, 66, ...Girl tells court she saw armed men approach pub


Alexandria Town Talk - 10 hours ago
The argument went from an exchange of words to Scott pulling out a baseball bat and attacking people, police reported. Another man pulled out a gun and ...Trial set for pair in Willcox murder

Benson News Sun - 11 hours ago
Gleason was beaten with baseball bats. Otero and Romero allegedly dumped the body under a tree near Brown's Country Store. Police found it with its hands ...



KTVN 17 hours ago
(AP) - A man has pleaded not guilty to murder for allegedly beating his 65-year-old mother to death with a baseball bat in her Los Angeles home. ...


Bristol man murdered in "vicious attack"
Evening Post - March 10 2009
The court was told the four men were armed with a baseball bat, samurai sword, clubs and knives. Mr Riddock's friend Jonathan Stephens was inside the pub ...



Jury Retires To Consider Verdict In Cannons Creek Case
Voxy - March 9 2009
Mr Nisbett brought the jury's attention to eyewitness reports of clubs, baseball bats, crowbars as well as another, also bloodstained, knife. ...


Dekalb Daily Chronicle - March 9 2009
The murder weapon, which investigators believed to be an aluminum baseball bat, has never been recovered. Laskowski, who was 20 at the time of the murder, ......


Minneapolis Star Tribune - March 9 2009
Jon Fitzgerald Posey, 44, was charged with first-degree murder in the beating death of Brian Wayne Lumbar, 47, with a baseball bat. ...



Man pleads guilty to Mpls. homeless camp murder
KSTP.com - March 9 2009
According to the criminal complaint, Posey told investigators he killed Lumbar with a baseball bat. He said he had to kill Lumbar because he thought the ...


Monte Vista Journal - March 9 2009
Carberry said it was clear from the onset that Chavez had killed Quirova with an aluminum baseball bat during the night of Feb. 27, 1998, but the defense ...


Teen released 7 years after killing dad
WWLP 22News - March 9 2009
They brutally beat him with a baseball bat as he slept and then set their Cantonment, Florida home on fire. Alex King, Derek's younger brother, was released ...


Man set for execution in woman's '86 murder
Florida Times-Union - March 9 2009
Newland, a convicted burglar, raped a Tennessee woman and beat her with a baseball bat before he moved to St. Simons Island. Although arrested and charged, ...



Grand jury indicts man for murder of Berean
Richmond Register - March 9 2009
Daugherty followed the woman to her car, and Adkins got out brandishing a baseball bat. Adkins broke the passenger window of Daugherty’s truck, ...


Drug dealer imprisoned for killing customer in Aberdeen
stv.tv - March 6 2009
Mr Branigan was killed after he and another man visited Brown's flat armed with a knife and baseball bat. Police believe the pair went to the flat to steal ...


2nd Man Sentenced In Restaurant Attack
WXII12.com - March 6 2009
... they just immediately started beating upon him and robbed him," said Carter, adding that Xing was struck with a baseball bat and kicked. ...

Hearing for Midtown Murder Suspect
News/Talk 750 WSB - March 6 2009
Police say he hit her with either a hammer or a baseball bat, then robbed her as she lay dying. "The autopsy shows that it was one, unbelievable blunt force ...


Police: Hollidaysburg Man Arrested in Student’s Murder
WRTA - March 6 2009
... incident in which he is accused of chasing 40-year-old Frederick Delgrosso car through the city of Altoona and then bashing the car with a baseball bat. ...


Judge: Voice mails can be presented during murder trial
The Coloradoan March 6 2009
Kaup decided Whitler waived his right to an attorney before he told authorities he stabbed Allen and beat him with a baseball bat before turning his rage on ...


Husband ‘hit by club before he drowned’
expressandstar.com March 6 2009
... been attacked by someone wielding a club or baseball bat before he drowned in the River Severn, a murder trial was told by a Home Office pathologist.


Bat, shooting attack suspect arrested
Stockton Record March 6 2009
By The Record TRACY - A 39-year-old Tracy man faces attempted murder charges after he allegedly attacked his roommate with a metal baseball bat and then ...


CCTV appeal after teenager is murdered
This is London - March 5 2009
Shakilus was beaten with a baseball bat and stabbed repeatedly after allegedly being lured into an ambush by a teenage girl last August. ...


Family seeks help facing man accused of murdering father
The Coloradoan - March 5 2009
... deputy to death with a baseball bat. Whitler is charged with first-degree murder and is scheduled to stand trial April 28 in Larimer District Court. ...


Karen Aim’s teenage killer decides against plea U-turn
Press and Journal - March 5 2009
He was only 14 when he attacked and beat her with a baseball bat in a Taupo street on January 17 last year. Miss Aim, an outgoing and adventurous backpacker ...


Sentencing hearing begins in 2005 beating death
Star Phoenix - March 4 2009
When police arrived, Roy was alone in the alley. He is said to have been kicked and struck with baseball bat. He died in hospital two days later.

Teens given 13 years
Georgetown News Democrat - March 4 2009
The two struck Horn in the head and foot then beat him repeatedly with a baseball bat and a rubber mallet. Horn received several blows to the head which ...


Reporter's Blog: McCafferty Murder Trial, WEEK 2
WCPO - March 4 2009
Her attorney Keith Gambrel came to the station, and after talking with her, told the police to find the knife and baseball bat the she alleges her husband ...


Tampa thief faces different charge: attempted murder
Tampabay.com - March 4 2009
Police said the father's friend, Dennis Lynn Winters, beat him to death with a baseball bat.

Report: Alarming Spike In Growth Of Hate Groups
NPR - March 3 2009
The alleged attackers hurled ethnic and gay slurs and brandished beer bottles and a baseball bat. The reported attack left one brother brain dead. ...


Relative charged in killing
Peterborough Examiner - March 3 2009
Davis was beaten by a man armed with a baseball bat. No arrests were made. Police won't say if that attack is connected to his murder. ...

and, of course, the recent New York City-Yonkers racist hate crime murder;

More hate crime charges for Brooklyn killing suspects
Newsday - March 3 2009
Scott hit Romel Sucuzhanay with a beer bottle, and Phoenix beat Jose Sucuzhanay with an aluminum baseball bat, prosecutors said. ...


Two thugs face hate-crime rap in slay of immigrant Jose Sucuzhanay
New York Daily News - March 3 2009
The defendants are accused of attacking the brothers with a baseball bat and beer bottle on Dec. 7 as they walked home arm in arm. ...2 Indicted in Fatal Beating of Ecuadorean Immigrant


New York Times - March 3 2009
Mr. Phoenix “rushed from the SUV armed with a baseball bat, ran over to Jose, and repeatedly beat him,” Mr. Hynes said, adding that as Mr. Phoenix walked ...






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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 02:59 PM
OK, you convinced me. Let's ban baseball bats. Especially your examples of the bat weilding sprees where they randomly killed 10 and 15 people...

 

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It's just kind of ironic though, just last week several posters said automatic weapons aren't used in mass murders. I'm not saying the gun itself is to blame, however my guess is if this person were using a baseball bat, 10 people would not be dead.

 

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It's just kind of ironic though, just last week several posters said automatic weapons aren't used in mass murders. I'm not saying the gun itself is to blame, however my guess is if this person were using a baseball bat, 10 people would not be dead.

Yeah thats what I was thinking. I have not seen baseball bats commit mass muders.
Anything I think can cause death, no doubt about that. Guns are just more related to killings than bats or the weapon of choice. I'm not saying a bat would not get the job done, but guns seem to be the ultimate "weapon " of choice more than not. I guess if we ban guns than everyone will get a Louisville slugger and start banging heads for grand slams, then we will have to outlaw them.

The laws just need to be more strict on gun control. Who needs an automatic weapon unless you want to go one a killing spree.

READ THIS.
http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/reports/mass-produced-mayhem.pdf

[Edited on 3/11/2009 by jszfunk]

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M16 used in the latest Alabama tragedy.


That does not make it an automatic weapon.

 

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http://www.allcountries.org/uscensus/333_murder_victims_circumstances_and_w eapons_used.html

 

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It's just kind of ironic though, just last week several posters said automatic weapons aren't used in mass murders. I'm not saying the gun itself is to blame, however my guess is if this person were using a baseball bat, 10 people would not be dead.


They would if it was Barry Bonds.

 

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It's just kind of ironic though, just last week several posters said automatic weapons aren't used in mass murders. I'm not saying the gun itself is to blame, however my guess is if this person were using a baseball bat, 10 people would not be dead.


They would if it was Barry Bonds.




Nah, he would swing and miss on at least 7 of them.....

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 04:40 PM
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I'm not saying I'm just saying. M16 used in the latest Alabama tragedy.


Need more info unless it was a military gun most likely it is a simi auto not full auto does anyone know?

 

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Thanks for the link...

searching for more info on this story i would like to be accrate..

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Spare me all the antis frothing at the mouth.

If these people are determined to kill others, they'll find a means.

I don't think dynamite was outlawed in 1927 after the school massacre.

 

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Oh yeah, 2 assault rifles, 2 semis, a handgun and a shotgun... That's hardly a dangerous arsenal. Myth busted!


<>The guns used in yesterday’s rampage shooting across Alabama--a Bushmaster AR-15-style assault rifle and an SKS assault rifle-- <>

Again i say NO m16 was used both of the above guns are simi auto and as far as assault weapons are concerned the Bushmaster is a shorter version of a M16 but in simi auto only unless tampered with illeaglly.. the sks is about the same weapon as a M1 carbine used in WW2 hardly a assault weapon but a simi auto non the less but still NO full autos were used.

 

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nah hes just fairly pointing out that the weapons used - the semiautomatics, the assault rifles, the high capacity magazines - are available for purchase by you, me, and the sicko who lives down the street at your local WalMart.


Sorry according to the law if someone is mentaly ill they can not buy any of the above but any law abidinf citizen can... the man who did the crime in alabama can not be considered sane by any means at least to me...

OTF ... that is pretty cold you know damn well i was just pointing out that no fully automatic weapons were used... I never agree with any use of guns like this unless protecting your home ,family or self or someone under a life or death attack... but it is not the fault of the gun it is just parts.

 

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The school shooting in Germany was done with a pistol.

 

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I just do not believe that restricting legal access to these firearms would have stopped these tragic events. If somebody wants to go on a mass murder spree they are going to obtain the means to achieve that end.

Cocaine is illegal, yet if I want some I can get it. Whether it is drugs or guns, if a person's will is strong enough to either get high or to kill they are going to find what they are looking for.

 

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This thread is the gun equivalent of "it's 65 and sunny, therefore global warming must not exist" that Derek and others are so fond of. We don't need incidents like this to prove that assault weapons are a danger to society. I will say though, as long as simpleminded folks like Derek maintain that a gun is no more dangerous than a baseball bat, these incidents will remain commonplace in this country.


Im sorry to have to defend Derek, but he is absolutely correct. The gun isnt the issue, its the person.

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It is one of the great paradoxes of American society that the more dangerous the product is (cigarettes & guns in particular) the less regulated that particular product is.


Are you crazy? LEGALLY, guns are highly regulated. To buy one LEGALLY, you have to jump through a number of LEGAL hoops.

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The simple answer for why this is the case is that these industries have the most powerful lobbies, because without literally owning an entire political party as the gun lobby does, their industry would suffer hugely. It is somewhat amusing to think that the most vocal anti-gun control people out there seem to be the ultra-paranoid, SPBD-style folks who believe they need these weapons to defend themselves from the government or some other non-existent threat...


I dont beleive theres any kind of government or other type of threat to show that these guns are needed. As long as one can legally obtain one, I dont see what the issue is. Its a Bill of Rights, not of Wants.

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Meanwhile, they are so indoctrinated by the most nefarious special interest in this country that they literally spout phrases and slogans from NRA pamphlets verbatim. (This would be more amusing if these people weren't armed to the teeth.)


I dont agree with the NRA on much of anything, but if you think the anti-gun people are truth tellers, I have some bad news for you.

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I know the me-first mentality is something conservatives hold dear, but at what point did the gun lobby, a group with no interest other than selling more firearms, supplant the federal government as an authority on public safety?


Since never. Its perception on your part.

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It is common sense that a man with a history of violence, and serious mental illness, should be subject to one hell of a thorough review before being allowed to purchase or keep guns.


Absolutely and thats why they are. Do you think that every crazy guy in America just walks into a store and drools onto the counter where they quickly hand him his choice of weaponry to go and inflict on the public?

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But it's the gun lobby and their minions who stand in the way of such reform.


Reform? How many more gun laws need to be on the books before the magic happens? 100? 1000?

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Common sense says mentally ill people should not have guns (in fact, my uncle was shot and killed by such a person).


Im sorry for your loss, but nobody hands guns out to mentally challenged people knowingly. You may not realize it, but you are advocating completely banning guns. Its the only way you will actually stop 'gun violence', and by that I mean, a house to house search and you still wont find them all. Bad guys will still have theirs...

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Common sense says no citizen needs a weapon designed for modern military purposes - the only purpose for these weapons is to kill and maim.


Thats the purpose of all guns. Banning them completely, everything, rifles, handguns, shotguns etc. is the only logical solution to what you advocate.

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Simply put, it's time for common sense to conquer self-interest when it comes to regulating firearms in this nation.


Firearms are already highly regulated in this country. What more needs to be done, aside from a house to house search for confiscation purposes?

 

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It's just kind of ironic though, just last week several posters said automatic weapons aren't used in mass murders.


Slight correction... Nobody said they were never used. What was said was that their use in crimes was so little statistically that using that as a rational to ban them was stupid and made no sense.

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I'm not saying the gun itself is to blame, however my guess is if this person were using a baseball bat, 10 people would not be dead.


No, maybe not, but those that were dead would be just as dead.

 

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McLendon was armed with two assault rifles, two semiautomatic weapons, a handgun and a shotgun, and "high-capacity" rounds.


So, whats an "Assault Rifle"? Its not even defined for purposes of anti-gun legislation so Im not too sure what its supposed to be in this article.

Two semiautomatic weapons? Ok, that could be anything from a pistol to a shotgun.

And Im really curious to know what "high capacity" rounds are.

I know the reporter probably meant magazines, but it just goes to show how absolutely uninformed the media is on these issues.

 

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