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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 07:13 AM
It's really quite striking how differently the news is covered from one network to the next. This morning I turned on Fox & Friends and heard about the Israeli retribution attack on the Hamas leader in Gaza. Seemed pretty straightforward to me, Hamas takes credit, along with Hezbolah, for bombing a bus and killing 20 or more civilians, and Israel does exactly what we or anyone else in the world would do and starts taking out terrorists as they find them. That's basically the way it was reported on Fox. Then I turn to CNN and see the exact same footage of the Hamas leader's car burning, but the reporting in the background is saying that this missle attack is what Hamas is basing their claim on that the "cease-fire" is now over and they will not abide by it anymore. The CNN report didn't even mention the Israeli bus bombing. One would think that the murder of several children, women and men, all of whom were civilian, would qualify as a cease-fire deal-breaker, but not according to CNN. Instead, according to them the targeting of military....no, that gives them too much credibility and legitimacy, the targeting of TERRORISTS by Israel is the deal-breaker! If anyone can explain this from CNN's perspective, I'd sure appreciate it because I don't get it at all. I think calling them a "news organization" is a monumental overstatement. They're the propaganda wing of the far left and apologists for murderers, dictators and despots. It's amazing to me that they're still on the air because it means someone is still paying attention to them. But of course, there's no such thing as a liberal media, in fact, it's a conservative media you dolt! Uh huh.

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Correction: I said Hamas, along with Hezbolah, took credit for the bus bombing. I should've said Hamas, along with Islamic Jihad. A difference without much of a distinction, but there ya go.

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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 07:48 AM
I think CNN gets on it's knees for these people in hopes they will avoid ever being a target.

Actually I have just quit watching the news at all, anywhere...the main psychology of the news in general being that if they show you enough bad things happening to others in the world around you, that you will come away feeling better about your existence. That is why they keep the good news to a bare minimum.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 08:09 AM
Its interesting about CNN
I have a number of Jewish friends that are very very liberal politically that hate CNN. They claim CNN has an anti Israeli bias. These same people wouldnt think of watching Fox (too right wing in their opinion) and normally would enjoy a network like CNN except for what they percieve to be this anti Israel bias.


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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 09:36 AM
"I have a number of Jewish friends that are very very liberal politically that hate CNN. They claim CNN has an anti Israeli bias. These same people wouldnt think of watching Fox (too right wing in their opinion) and normally would enjoy a network like CNN except for what they percieve to be this anti Israel bias."



hmmmmmmmmmm, so is the complaint that CNN is totally biased AGAINST Israel, or, would they equally object to a network that was totally biased IN FAVOR of Israel. Usually, such issues hint on who is goring whose ox

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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 09:48 AM
did anyone watch Bill Maher last night?

 

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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 09:49 AM
*Why Do People Even Watch CNN?*

For the free swimsuit issues.... or is that something totally different?

 

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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 11:27 AM
TakeMe,

I'm not sure I understand if you're saying the media is far left or far right. Historically, it has been leftist but with something like CNN, it's definitely right wing slanted b/c it's owned by a corporation ( TWAOL ). Conservative fiscal legislation has always favored corporations. What's scary is that it all comes down to what's more important to a corporation: Stock prices or unbiased reporting? We all know the answer to that. Why would they let news be reported if it might negatively impact their bottom line? They wouldn't , therefore they decide what you should be hearing. That's not being liberal, that's downright far right reactionary...

BTW, didn't catch last night's, but Bill Maher's show is excellent. It needs to be back on National TV again...

 

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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 12:57 PM
Well Tom, lets look at it this way, we have a few different issues going on here, the first being format. CNN has about 3 to 4 different channels 1 being the financial network, one being World News, CNN News which would be more in the line of Fox (maybe a different spin) but geared more to the one hour show format. Then we have Headline News which plays the current news every thirty minutes that includes national, world, sports & entertainment. So this format is most often watched and I feel sure that this is the one you watched and it only does short minute reports nothing in-depth. If you wanted to get more information you would watch one of the other offerings where the reporting is more in depth. The short news blurbs format is more for people who only have a few minutes to see what the current events are of the day. Usually the are running out of the house to get to work this type format is geared for people on the fast track if you will. If you have the time to sit back in the mornings and watch extended coverage then the other CNN channels would give you the in depth coverage you are looking for, more in tune with the Fox type format.

So on this particular piece of reporting, when the bus was hit a few days ago it was reported by CNN Headline News in the same manner, in other words it was reported that there was an attack that killed over 20 people and that Hamas was taking responsibility. They also stated that because of this attack Israel is throwing in the towel on the peace process (quite understandable). Now today in retaliation of that attack the Israeli’s hit the car of the Hamas leader and now the supporters of Hamas are saying because of this attack they will no longer be part of the peace process. Both stories where reported in the exact same way. In this format I would not need them to report again on the bus bombing because doing so is stating the obvious, which would be they hit us now we hit them and now both have a reason to break the deal. If you went to say CNN World then a more in depth story would have been told or the CNN News like CNN World would report a longer more in depth story. The short format does what it is supposed to do, it gives you the news in short sound bites for the folks who don’t have time to watch a more in depth version of the story.

The second issue is pure marketing. Each show, channel network etc., has what they call a target market, so each would report or create shows that reach that target market. Fox has a target market of people who are more right leaning, so for example they may choose not to report on say Bush’s “Bring it on” statement and whether or not that statement might have actually stepped up attacks in Iraq. Reporting on this issue would surely tick off Fox’s “target market” where as maybe CNN would report on that issue because its “target market” might be interested in that report. In the end what it amounts to is dollars and cents here. I feel pretty certain that both sides of the argument are biased in their reporting based on their target market or audience.

So you can choose to stick to the networks that report the news to your liking or you can watch all of the different networks to get all of the news, which is what I do. I watch some Fox, some CNN, some MNBC, some CNBC, some CSPAN, some BBC, some of the different financial news networks and between all of them you will actually get all of the news. Even on this board you have some people who post nothing but anti left leaning articles as topics and some who post anti right leaning articles. I usually never post topics but will respond to some of the ones posted on both sides of the fence, more than likely my responses are based on “MY OWN” political beliefs. Let’s face it they are both biased based on their audience and then you throw in the advertisers who have no problem advertising to both sides of the fence because after all money is money and product advertisers could care less where it comes from.

Yep, I missed Bill Maher last night because as usual I was watching the news I keep forgetting he is now doing a show on HBO. I used to watch him all the time on
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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 01:35 PM
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did anyone watch Bill Maher last night?


i dunno. Bill Maher sorta lost me when he said that the true heros where not those on filght 99 but the terrorists who killed themselves for their country.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 02:06 PM
If you really want to become even more perplexed, watch worldlink to see what the different countries in the Middle East are seeing. They play shorts from several countries news agencies. It's easy to see which are Anti-American, which are govt. run and which are independent. Very differing stories along with the same live footage. Kinda like here, huh? ;-)

 

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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 02:42 PM
Hi Patty,
Our cable system only gets Headline news and one of the other ones you mentioned, not sure if it's World, CNN News or what. I think it's CNN News, but in any case, it was that one I was watching and not Headline News. It was the morning show which competes with Fox & Friends. If you saw a report including both the retaliatory missle attack and the Israel bus-bombing on CNN, you didn't see it around 6:00 or 6:30 am this morning. I can't buy that there's no reason for them to report on the bus-bombing when reporting that Hamas is bowing out of peace talks because of Israel's supposed aggression in the missle attack. The two are interrelated and Hamas can't have it both ways, that they get to blow up buses without breaking the truce and get to claim victimhood when the Israelis launch a counter-attack. Well, they can have it both ways, but only if the report is coming from CNN.

I also watch MSNBC, local news, network news, read papers (usually at least 2 a day) and kick stuff around with people on both sides of any issue I talk about just like we do here. I have only seen the depth of bias towards the left from CNN as far as major media goes. It's one thing to *lean* to the right or left, but that company omits a lot that would favor Bush or Israel, and they've even held back important news stories just to keep their correspondent in Iraq! There isn't even an attempt to hide their bias, they wear it like a badge of honor. That's what makes me ask the question about why people even watch 'em anymore. They lie, they hold things back, they omit. I don't know why anyone trusts them for real news no matter what party or ideaology the listener comes from considering those obvious facts.

Can't imagine how anyone could accuse Ted Turner of being conservative just because his business is incorporated. He's an avowed liberal who, if he went any further to the left, would fall off the line!

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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 04:04 PM
Well I will be sure to check it out tomorrow and see which CNN News is playing against Fox and Friends. For the most part I do still believe that the offering is Headline News because in my own experience in basic cabel vs. extended cable or basic satelite vs. extended satelite the offering has always been Headline News. I could be wrong but it is easily verifiable. So, I will check it out. As I said when they reported the bus bombing they said that Israel was pulling out of the peace plan. When they showed the car bombing a day later on CNN they said the Hamas was pulling out of the peace plan. So again, based on this issue I belive the reporting was not only accurate but fair. You hit me I pull out, I hit you, you pull out. Back and forth your wrong I'm right, I'm right your wrong and on and on it goes............... at the expense of innocent people, because in the end all the ideological stuff aside innocent people will die and how it is reported does not stop that from happening. This is an old dispute that continues to fester after all these years. So what is the answer, we are tied to Israel for ideological reasons and we are tied to the Middle East for our oil needs. Our objectivity is stuck because of money and ideology. When I spoke about using hemp fuel as an alternative to getting off of foreign oil, you shu shued the idea because you felt that the cops would not be able to tell the difference between the get you high hemp vs the not get you high version. Well we can never be a solution in this problem if we continue to be hooked into the Middle East because of our dependency of oil. Plain and simple. If we decide to take the side of Israel, the middle east could very well shut down all oil supplies to the US and bankrupt this country. As hard as it may be to face those are the facts, so no matter how this stuff is reported to me is really irrelivant. The plain fact is that our hands are tied other than going over there and wiping out the whole middle east and taking the stuff we are and will continue to be between a hard place and a rock and the bombings will go on and innocent people will continue to die. So, all in all the reporting of this on CNN Headline News based on the format of that show, showed both sides of the issue but just on different days. And you could say the same thing about Fox, they to have failed to report, not been honest in their reporting, etc. They will serve their audience and will not do anything that is going to disrupt their viewership. Explain to me what would happen if they did say take on a view that was not popular with their target audience? Well they would be out of business, because their audience would be ticked off and would stop watching.

By the way I work for AOL Time-Warner part time and Ted Turner has absolutely nothing to do with how CNN is run and has had no say so in it for the last few years. He is pretty much a figure head only, just a name on the board. The merger pretty much took him out of the running of the company he built and put him out to pasture. Right now some guy from Texas is buying Philips Arena, The Thrashers and The Hawks. If Ted had a say in this it would not be happening of that much I can assure you. This sale has been a crushing blow to him, but he is powerless to change the direction.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 06:15 PM
I don't see the American media as being liberal.
This being said, I usually get my news from sources outside of the American media.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 07:59 PM
Just by watching both heavily during the Iraq war I decided on my own, not based on left / right / others opinions... I decided Fox was far better of a source than CNN. They both can get pretty goofy at times, but Fox just seemed like better coverage, a little more slant to more the actual news and a little less grandstanding and Hollywood to it that CNN has. Then like Tom mentioned, the liberal slant of CNN becomes obvious over time. Not judging, that may be your view also, but doesn't fit mine exactly..

 

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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 10:03 PM
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For the most part I do still believe that the offering is Headline News because in my own experience in basic cabel vs. extended cable or basic satelite vs. extended satelite the offering has always been Headline News.
Well Patty, when you start out a post basically saying I don't even know what my cable company offers, or which channel I was watching, it's kind of hard to read through the rest with much of a desire to understand your position. It's easy enough to check out if that's necessary. Go to knology.net and surf to the channel lineup for the Huntsville area. Regular ol' CNN is channel 20 and Headline News is 27. I was watching channel 20. I can't stand sound-bite news so I have channel 27 programmed to skip on my remote control. Jeesh.

I suppose Ted's fingerprints are nowhere to be found at CNN anymore huh? The place is totally cleansed of his promotion of socialist (or are they communist?) ideals? I'm sure Hanoi Jane left no influences behind either, either on ol' Ted or CNN big-wigs. When did Ted leave? Was that before or after he offered a billion bucks to the UN to prop it up against the interests of the country that made him rich? Doesn't matter really. He's down to his last 3 billion so he welched on that offer anyway. Can't say I'm sorry about that fact, but it still shows the lack of integrity in the man who built that network.

OK, it's fair for a company who purports to report the truth to equate the deaths of 3 terrorists with 20 civilians comprised of men, women and children who were on a bus minding their own business when they got blown into tiny bits. No need to clarify what prompted the missle attack on the 3 terrorists for any context, right? It's perfectly alright to portray the poor little terrorists as victims just driving down the road minding their own business and neglect to inform the viewer that the intended target is a high-ranking leader of the terrorist organization which murdered 20 people in cold blood just 24 hours before. Would you do me a favor? Will you look at the publisher of the dictionary where you got your definition of "fairness" and see if maybe it was published in France? Sorry, perhaps that's a little too smart-ass, but I have to admit that I am just incredulous how anyone could come to the conclusion that the report I described was fair in any way.

I agree with your assessment of the oil dependency problems for the most part, but that's no reason to be an apologist for murderers and the supposed "news" organization who covers them in such a protective way.

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  posted on 8/21/2003 at 11:22 PM
and Fox news is 'fair and balanced'....heh....that's a joke too....it goes both ways...you (and that's "you" as in "anyone") need to get your news from more than one source.....

 

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  posted on 8/22/2003 at 07:52 AM
Agreed Sandman. Everyone should expand their sources to get to the bottom of any story. As far as Fox goes though, I could care less what anyone thinks of them in a general sense, but if you (as in anyone) have a beef with the way a specific story is covered it lends more "meat" to the complaint. I don't dismiss CNN off-hand. I have specific criticizms about the way specific stories and subjects are covered. Sometimes I have the same kind of criticism of Fox, but the difference is that, from my observations, it's an anomoly when Fox protects one side of a story at the expense of demonizing the other. It's a pattern on CNN which has been repeated daily over many years. That was the point of my original post. I have many more specifics if you're interested. I just thought the way this particular story was covered was timely and so blatently and obviously one-sided that I commented on it. (Shrug)

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  posted on 8/22/2003 at 10:35 AM
Okay, lets start this off on the right foot; I was not saying that you did not know what your cable station offers. What I was saying is that they have a few different formats out there and because you did not make clear which one you were watching when you posted this topic, I thought because of limited reporting that it was the CNN Headline News because that is the format they use. So, if you now say it was the other format I have no reason to doubt you and need not go any further with which one you watched. And obviously you won't be watching again which again is your choice.

Interestingly enough I watched CNN Headline News last night a 9:00 PM Eastern Time and the first story they showed was this exact story where both sides were represented fairly. They spoke of the car bombing, they spoke of the bus bombing and how both will not abide by the peace accord, they also had Colin Powell speaking about how imperative it was for both sides to come back to the table. Maybe, I'm just blind but look the story in my opinion was reported fairly and was longer than the usual blurb. I usually do not watch CNN Headline at 9:00PM, I generally watch Capital Report on CNBC but thought I would see what was being shown on CNN. So again I can’t say that what they showed in the A.M. was the terrorist loving version. The version I saw last night at 9:00 PM was the version where both sides were represented fairly.

I guess it is all in the eyes and ears of the beholder. Also, what happen to those people on the bus is horrible and please don't twist what I say around to try to make me look like some kind of unfeeling freak. Look I have kids, if anyone could begin to understand the pain of the mothers of the children that were killed on that bus I can. You act like I endorse what they did, what I said was that it was obvious that the car bombing was in retaliation to the bus bombing. It was!!!! I do not have to go to France to figure that out nor do I need to go to France to figure out that killing innocent children is also wrong, you want to talk about dead innocent children then lets talk about the number of dead children we killed in Iraq. In the last 13 years the number of children killed is staggering which I have not heard Fox reporting on and barely reported on by CNN. Killing children is wrong no matter who does it, whether it be us, them, terrorist, left wingers, right wingers, to the mother or father who kill their own kids in this country on a regular basis.

I want the terrorist who continue to keep committing these crimes caught and punished, hell I would be happy if they caught and punished the Bin Laden’s and the Royal Saudi family for the financial support and the continuing shelter of Osama for what he did to my people on 911. I would like to see us instead of letting these people off the hook because we need their stinking oil seriously go after them. It is sickening just like in Liberia, the only way they will even begin to be held accountable is through law suits being propelled by the victims families.

Look nothing I can say here will ever endear you to Ted Turner. Ted Turner has literally no influence over CNN and has not in a long time. Jane Fonda and Ted Turner have been divorced for about the same amount of time or maybe a little longer than the merger. Ted Turner retired his seat because of the fact that he no longer had say in how CNN was run, I don’t know what else I can say on this matter. He also remains committed to pay the UN, what he did was extend the time period of the payments, the payments will still be made, no welching just an extension. I enjoyed working for Ted, he was a good employer and took care of his employees and for that I will not fault him. He was good for Atlanta and created a lot of jobs and was always loyal to the state so I don’t know what more you want me to say. You think he is a scumbag and nothing I will ever say will change your opinion of that I feel pretty certain.



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  posted on 8/22/2003 at 11:50 AM
Patty G, good post. Regardless of Turner's political prefernces or, more importantly, the way his political preferences are percieved by the public, it's important to hear perspectives from someone such as yourself. And you're right, the day he ceased to be a major shareholder, which I believe was when he sold out ( meaning his shares ) to Time Warner back in the mid 90's, was the day his influence faded away....
 
 


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