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  posted on 1/28/2009 at 11:07 PM
Saw Campbell Brown's program on CNN tonight and just wondering what's the deal? Campbell Brown must be one of those right wing nut jobs or something

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/28/campbell.brown.ethics/index.html?ire f=mpstoryview

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Unfortunately, we are again asking the president to explain why exactly he announced, with great fanfare, new ethics rules if he had no intention of abiding by them.

The Obama administration is yet again asking for a waiver to its very own rules about hiring lobbyists.

This time, it is the new treasury secretary, Tim Geithner. He wants a former lobbyist for Goldman Sachs to be his top aide at the Treasury Department.

My view is simple: Mr. President, if you want to hire former lobbyists because you think they are the best people to do the job, then hire former lobbyists. Just don't hold a big news conference first to tell us how your administration is going to be so different from previous administrations in that you won't be hiring lobbyists.

Don't make your disdain for lobbyists and your pledges that they won't wield influence in your administration a centerpiece of your campaign.

It's the hypocrisy and the double-talk that makes so many of us so cynical.
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  posted on 1/28/2009 at 11:12 PM
Are we really surprised? If the trend continues I'll be very disappointed.....unless he can pull this country out of the toilet in which case, I don't care who works for him. Like people think he could do worse than we just came from? But she's right....if that's what he's going to do, be quiet already about the 'noble cause' thing.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 02:21 PM
let's see

there is his chief of staff
deputy at defense
deputy at treasury

Did I miss any?

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 02:24 PM
While looking up a question about this topic that I had, I found the following. Interesting reading that goes a long way about explaining what happened in this country over the past eight years.

http://eatthestate.org/05-10/WhosWhoBush.htm

 

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let's see

there is his chief of staff
deputy at defense
deputy at treasury

Did I miss any?


When was Emanuel a lobbyist? Did I miss something?

 

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let's see

there is his chief of staff
deputy at defense
deputy at treasury

Did I miss any?


When was Emanuel a lobbyist? Did I miss something?


he was one of Clinton's K street lawyers, same thing. just not registered as a lobbyst.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 02:49 PM
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let's see

there is his chief of staff
deputy at defense
deputy at treasury

Did I miss any?


When was Emanuel a lobbyist? Did I miss something?


he was one of Clinton's K street lawyers, same thing. just not registered as a lobbyst.


OK, knew that. Thought I had let a fact slip by...

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 03:15 PM
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OK, knew that. Thought I had let a fact slip by...


And no smiley smirking face after that comment?????

 

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OK, knew that. Thought I had let a fact slip by...


And no smiley smirking face after that comment?????


Huh???

 

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Saw Campbell Brown's program on CNN tonight and just wondering what's the deal? Campbell Brown must be one of those right wing nut jobs or something

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/28/campbell.brown.ethics/index.html?ire f=mpstoryview

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Unfortunately, we are again asking the president to explain why exactly he announced, with great fanfare, new ethics rules if he had no intention of abiding by them.

The Obama administration is yet again asking for a waiver to its very own rules about hiring lobbyists.

This time, it is the new treasury secretary, Tim Geithner. He wants a former lobbyist for Goldman Sachs to be his top aide at the Treasury Department.

My view is simple: Mr. President, if you want to hire former lobbyists because you think they are the best people to do the job, then hire former lobbyists. Just don't hold a big news conference first to tell us how your administration is going to be so different from previous administrations in that you won't be hiring lobbyists.

Don't make your disdain for lobbyists and your pledges that they won't wield influence in your administration a centerpiece of your campaign.

It's the hypocrisy and the double-talk that makes so many of us so cynical.
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Saw Campbell Brown's program on CNN tonight and just wondering what's the deal? Campbell Brown must be one of those right wing nut jobs or something

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/28/campbell.brown.ethics/index.html?ire f=mpstoryview

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Unfortunately, we are again asking the president to explain why exactly he announced, with great fanfare, new ethics rules if he had no intention of abiding by them.

The Obama administration is yet again asking for a waiver to its very own rules about hiring lobbyists.

This time, it is the new treasury secretary, Tim Geithner. He wants a former lobbyist for Goldman Sachs to be his top aide at the Treasury Department.

My view is simple: Mr. President, if you want to hire former lobbyists because you think they are the best people to do the job, then hire former lobbyists. Just don't hold a big news conference first to tell us how your administration is going to be so different from previous administrations in that you won't be hiring lobbyists.

Don't make your disdain for lobbyists and your pledges that they won't wield influence in your administration a centerpiece of your campaign.

It's the hypocrisy and the double-talk that makes so many of us so cynical.
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RBK conveniently tosses aside what happened in the last 8 years.
Surprise Surprise.

 

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Saw Campbell Brown's program on CNN tonight and just wondering what's the deal? Campbell Brown must be one of those right wing nut jobs or something

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/28/campbell.brown.ethics/index.html?ire f=mpstoryview

quote:
Unfortunately, we are again asking the president to explain why exactly he announced, with great fanfare, new ethics rules if he had no intention of abiding by them.

The Obama administration is yet again asking for a waiver to its very own rules about hiring lobbyists.

This time, it is the new treasury secretary, Tim Geithner. He wants a former lobbyist for Goldman Sachs to be his top aide at the Treasury Department.

My view is simple: Mr. President, if you want to hire former lobbyists because you think they are the best people to do the job, then hire former lobbyists. Just don't hold a big news conference first to tell us how your administration is going to be so different from previous administrations in that you won't be hiring lobbyists.

Don't make your disdain for lobbyists and your pledges that they won't wield influence in your administration a centerpiece of your campaign.

It's the hypocrisy and the double-talk that makes so many of us so cynical.
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RBK conveniently tosses aside what happened in the last 8 years.
Surprise Surprise.


What happened in the last eight years is irrelevant now. BarryO said NO LOBBYISTS. He lied obviously.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 11:01 PM
You know, it's amazing to me that when someone points out something about Obama choices for cabinet members and other administration leaders that goes against what Obama stated plainly and clearly in his Blueprint For Change, that some people on this forum want to change the entire meaning of the thread from that topic to it being a G W Bush bashing thread.

Wassamatter folks? Seems like your president has already started to throw his voters to the dogs for those mean ole nasty corporate lobbyists he said would have no place in his administration?

Don't remember that? Why not pull out your little Blue Book and look at page 9.

Face up to it. So far, the only change we've seen in this administration is just a changing of the guard. Same old unit, just different names.
I haven't seen anything yet to convince me otherwise. Something might happen in a few weeks to convince me, but nothing so far.

 

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You know, it's amazing to me that when someone points out something about Obama choices for cabinet members and other administration leaders that goes against what Obama stated plainly and clearly in his Blueprint For Change, that some people on this forum want to change the entire meaning of the thread from that topic to it being a G W Bush bashing thread.

Wassamatter folks? Seems like your president has already started to throw his voters to the dogs for those mean ole nasty corporate lobbyists he said would have no place in his administration?

Don't remember that? Why not pull out your little Blue Book and look at page 9.

Face up to it. So far, the only change we've seen in this administration is just a changing of the guard. Same old unit, just different names.
I haven't seen anything yet to convince me otherwise. Something might happen in a few weeks to convince me, but nothing so far.


Another guy complaining that an administration in office for 10 days hasn't changed athing.


There is the point that hiring lobbysts is not exactly the change that was promised.



 

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Anyone care to tell me where there are qualified people to fill some of the positions who haven't been associated with lobbyists one way or another? I have heard that Obama has put stipulations and restrictions on the ones he does get to serve in his administration. That's more than 'previous' administrations did.

 

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everybody is a lobbyist...everybody's a special interest.

the issue is how much "lobbying" should be allowed and what form should it take.

 

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I don't have a problem with Obama hiring people who have worked as lobbyists, if they are the best qualified for the job. He's set some rules in place, and is trying to abide by them. He probably shouldn't have made such a big deal about it, but I think he is trying to address the issue, something Bush never did.

In spite of all the sniping from those bitter about losing the last election, I'm willing to give Obama at least 3 weeks in office before I declare him to be a failure.

Bush set the bar so high, it makes it harder for Obama to measure up.



 

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You know, it's amazing to me that when someone points out something about Obama choices for cabinet members and other administration leaders that goes against what Obama stated plainly and clearly in his Blueprint For Change, that some people on this forum want to change the entire meaning of the thread from that topic to it being a G W Bush bashing thread.

Wassamatter folks? Seems like your president has already started to throw his voters to the dogs for those mean ole nasty corporate lobbyists he said would have no place in his administration?

Don't remember that? Why not pull out your little Blue Book and look at page 9.

Face up to it. So far, the only change we've seen in this administration is just a changing of the guard. Same old unit, just different names.
I haven't seen anything yet to convince me otherwise. Something might happen in a few weeks to convince me, but nothing so far.


The issue is simple. The "change" (or perceived lack thereof) that is being harped on by opponents are the same people that came up with the phrases "Messiah," "Immaculate One," and so forth. I'm a Democrat, I supported Obama with money and time, but I never thought he was any of those things, and certainly wasn't naive enough to believe that every single platitude he laid during the campaign he would be able to pull off. Was that enough to even consider voting for his opponent? Not at all.

Take people to task for Bush-bashing while you micro-microscope Obama waiting, hoping, yearing for anything you perceive as a screw-up. Whatever. It's nothing new, it's just politics.

 

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And, for the record, the no lobbyists pledge was a huge mistake and hopefully one the President will learn from. It was naive to believe he could pull off that kind of promise, and it clearly put him in the position of looking hypocritical with some selections.

Never make an absolute promise in politics. Ever.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 11:12 AM
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And, for the record, the no lobbyists pledge was a huge mistake and hopefully one the President will learn from. It was naive to believe he could pull off that kind of promise, and it clearly put him in the position of looking hypocritical with some selections.

Never make an absolute promise in politics. Ever.


Sure sounded good on the campaign trail at the time. Maybe it was just political strategy or maybe he really didn't realize how hard it might be to get people who haven't been lobbyists.

But again, it is just something fresh in my mind since he did make a big point of it.

Honestly, I don't follow along with cabinet and administration appointees, but when CNN was complaining it caught my attention.

 

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You know, it's amazing to me that when someone points out something about Obama choices for cabinet members and other administration leaders that goes against what Obama stated plainly and clearly in his Blueprint For Change, that some people on this forum want to change the entire meaning of the thread from that topic to it being a G W Bush bashing thread.

Wassamatter folks? Seems like your president has already started to throw his voters to the dogs for those mean ole nasty corporate lobbyists he said would have no place in his administration?

Don't remember that? Why not pull out your little Blue Book and look at page 9.

Face up to it. So far, the only change we've seen in this administration is just a changing of the guard. Same old unit, just different names.
I haven't seen anything yet to convince me otherwise. Something might happen in a few weeks to convince me, but nothing so far.


Another guy complaining that an administration in office for 10 days hasn't changed athing.


Nope. I really don't expect too much change at all throught the first year. That's about how long it would take to impliment and carry out any type of change in the federal government. So that little quip don't carry anything.
If you want to change every thread about questioning something Obama is doing into a Bush bashing thread, then please add an explanation as to why the bashing has anything to do with that thread.
This one is about decisions Obama is making for his administration. Now, someone explain to me what the administration of G. W. Bush has to do with Obama deciding to nominate lobbyists to his administration when he repeatedly pointed out, in speeches and his little blue book (if you don't have a copy, I'll e-mail one to you), that lobbyists would not be welcome in his administration?
I'll be standing by this evening waiting for a reasonable explanation to that question.

Oh, and the excuse "Where would he find the experienced people?" is so full of holes that it don't even carry air, much less reason.

 

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Saw Campbell Brown's program on CNN tonight and just wondering what's the deal? Campbell Brown must be one of those right wing nut jobs or something

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/28/campbell.brown.ethics/index.html?ire f=mpstoryview

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Unfortunately, we are again asking the president to explain why exactly he announced, with great fanfare, new ethics rules if he had no intention of abiding by them.

The Obama administration is yet again asking for a waiver to its very own rules about hiring lobbyists.

This time, it is the new treasury secretary, Tim Geithner. He wants a former lobbyist for Goldman Sachs to be his top aide at the Treasury Department.

My view is simple: Mr. President, if you want to hire former lobbyists because you think they are the best people to do the job, then hire former lobbyists. Just don't hold a big news conference first to tell us how your administration is going to be so different from previous administrations in that you won't be hiring lobbyists.

Don't make your disdain for lobbyists and your pledges that they won't wield influence in your administration a centerpiece of your campaign.

It's the hypocrisy and the double-talk that makes so many of us so cynical.
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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 09:43 PM
So, tell me....who would you all hire for the different positions who weren't or haven't been associated with lobbyists? DC is filled with two kinds of people.....politicians and lobbyists.

As for Obama....he may not be able to do all the things he said he wanted to do, but after the past eight years, Atilla the Hun would be an improvement. Anyone who is still trying to defend Bush should expect resistance to their point of view.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 09:56 PM
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everybody is a lobbyist...everybody's a special interest.

the issue is how much "lobbying" should be allowed and what form should it take.


The question I have is: How is the public interest served when you allow folks to jump back
and forth between gov't and the private enterprises they are suppossed to regulate and make policy?


the conflict of interest thing.

cheney, wolfy all those dudes jumping back and forth from defense industry to gov't jobs. Boosting the stock options.

so how does this make Obama boyz any different?

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 09:58 PM
so how does this make Obama boyz any different?

I'll play. They don't own Halliburton stock and haven't started any wars since Obama took office?

 

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