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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 07:56 AM
I purchased the InstantLive cd's at the 8/9/03 Charlotte show and was stunned to discover that Mountain Jam had been split between disks 2 and 3. That really SUCKS!!!! First of all, based on the track times listed, the entire setlist would easily fit on two regular length cdr's IN SEQUENSE without screwing up any of the tracks with plenty of room to spare on each disk. I'm appalled that the Allman Brothers would have anything to do with selling garbage like this to their fans. I do have to grudgingly admit that the sound quality is excellent, but until they agree to stop splitting up songs I must urge everyone - DON'T PURCHASE INSTANTLIVE!!!!!!!
Incidentally, the show was incredible with a very moving tribute to Jerry Garcia during Patchwork Quilt. I've been seeing ABB for a long time and for them to still be around as a creative force is a gift to all of us, so stop quivelling with your petty arguments about which lineup is the best and ENJOY THE DAMNED MUSIC!!!!

 
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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 08:28 AM
I am thrilled to have this recording, break in MJ or no. I think the instant live cds rock! Why do you grudgingly concede that the sound quality is good? Would you be more pissed, or happy, if it sucked? Some people are damned hard to please. Stop quivelling over a cut track and enjoy the damned music.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 08:36 AM
Well said Goliath...Some people just love to quivel no matter what the subject.
Be happy you even have the damn show to listen to!

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 08:41 AM
No offense, but if somebody on these boards dared cut a track when they were completing a trade, chaos would surely ensue...

You would think that, conmsidering that fans are spending as much on these Instantlive discs as official releases, a tad more care would be put in. Of course, this is a new venture, and I'm sure some kinks will be worked out over time, but it's still a legitimite concern.

BTW, know that most of my reservations are directed at Clear Channel, not the Allmans...

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 08:42 AM
First, the nice: as that guy standing and trying to a least shake a little during the entire drum part two nights in a row, I congratulate you on your clear love for the drum parts. Too often, people whine about how long those breaks are. Congratulations. Some of us have been making compilations of 1996 True Gravity performances, when we run out, maybe we'll start CD compilations of drums, naught but drums! YEAH!

I heard that the reason for the cut track is that the band was out there MAKING IT UP ON THE SPOT, changing their setlists, you know, that sort of thing everybody's been wanting them to do for like, FOREVER. No one back in the production booth knew how long it was going to go on, and they had to make a decision on the fly. There was an article posted here somewhere with the Instant Live guy talking about how they weren't going to try to impose breaks and structure on the performers -- would you prefer THAT? There are people RAGING and moaning about how it took 45 minutes after the show -- 45 MINUTES, can you imagine? -- to get the last of the 3 CD set to the last of the people in line in Raleigh.

So...everyone I know but YOU is happy with their purchase. If you're recommending that people not buy these, you're expressing regret with your purchase, tell you what. I'll buy yours for the $20 you paid for it, and postage. I have a friend in a nursing home who can't make the shows, and I neglected to buy one from him. And I can sure hook ya up with someone who recorded it, so you can have that all-important drum break.

In other news, send me your like new first edition copies of the Eat A Peach LP. I've just heard a rumor that the drum part is split!

PS: I was writing that before Frank added his .02, when I posted it, there he was. Hey man, where ya getting those 3 CD sets of new releases for $20 including tax? No, wait, don't answer that. I'm trying to duck interaction with you, OK? Deal? Indicate you assent by completely ignoring my post. THANKS!

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 09:42 AM
I am absolutely amazed at the amount of comment regarding the split track.

This is obviously a new venture...people are so critical about things, it is beyond belief. Don't you all believe that CC is aware of the split track now, and will keep a better eye towards it in the future? Millions of people bought Eat A Peach, and never said a word about...having to flip the album! (actually if I remember correctly, you had to change the record, but I am not sure...). However the time flip was good, so we could all "get ready" for the second part of Mountain Jam.

BTW- if we collected all the EAP albums from people on this site, what do you think would be in the middle of the album?

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 09:53 AM
POP POP POP POP goes those seeds
 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 10:00 AM
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No offense, but if somebody on these boards dared cut a track when they were completing a trade, chaos would surely ensue...




Only if they got it from you Frank


 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 10:31 AM
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Only if they got it from you Frank





So, so true...

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 11:23 AM
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I must urge everyone - DON'T PURCHASE INSTANTLIVE!!!!!!!


Hey, I'll buy it from you and then you can just act like you never purchased it and everybody is happy. I would love to have been able to purchase one of these CD's...I will gladly buy a copy that anyone isn't satisfied with...

...although it really wish they would have gotten Atlanta recorded this way.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 11:28 AM
OK, I started this and hearing your mostly idiotic comments prompts me to reply once again. This whole show would fit IN SEQUENCE on two 74 minute disks. Also, they could have cut off disk 2 before Mountain Jam and easily put the complete song on disk 3, so there was no need to split the track. I loved Eat A Peach the lp because there was no other version available at the time, but when cd's came about, you can bet your asses I was there buying the first one that came out with an uninterrupted Mountain Jam and I haven't listened to the lp ever since. You can say what you want - most of you people would eat **** off a plate if it sat in front of you long enough - but I don't appreciate being sold something that was produced with no thought or consideration for the consumer. It sucks and so do all you idiots who don't understand that.
 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 11:32 AM
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but I don't appreciate being sold something that was produced with no thought or consideration for the consumer. It sucks and so do all you idiots who don't understand that.


That's why you should sell it to me and put yourself out of your misery...

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 11:52 AM
Bitch, whine, and moan. I swear. I will relay your concerns to the band and tell them there seems to be a sizable contingent that do not want spontaneous set lists, etc...this way we can even have track lists on the cd and I guess taking it a step further, set times for each song and show. THAT is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard of. I would rather eat **** than read your **** , pal.

A decision had to be made on the fly by the engineers of this recording, they had a set list and had planned on it being followed. But the band CHANGED the set list, and at that point the engineers had no clue what would follow, so they did the best they could. I will be glad to take it off your hands if you are so dissatisfied.

I hear Lynyrd Skynyrd plays the same set, note for note, each night. I think that is more your speed, anyway....so maybe they can get in on this and make you happy.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 11:59 AM
Geezus, wearly89, be greatful you had the opportunity to buy the damned thing...I wish I was able to purchase it....and if you don't sell it to Goliath or Denza, I'd be happy to buy it off you, if only to make your blood pressure go down and to make you sleep better at night

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 12:09 PM
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I hear Lynyrd Skynyrd plays the same set, note for note, each night. I think that is more your speed, anyway....so maybe they can get in on this and make you happy.



Don't put this Dude off on Skynyrd.........

Dean's already having enough problems.......

Maybe Styx and R.E.O. would be more suitable.......I think you can get both acts on one disc.


Oh Yeah...I like my plates of **** scattered, smothered and covered please !

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 12:10 PM
I'd also like to complain about the quality of recording on the Stonybrook release. It is of poor quality. When they said they will finally release a SB recording of Blue Sky with the original line up, I expected better.

If other uncovered Duane era shows are of this quality, I never want to hear it.

IMHO, I think it's very cool that SB recordings are being available right after the shows. Too bad they didn't have this feature 30 years ago.

BTW, does anybody know around when the SB recordings sort of ceased to circulate from the 90's & on? There are several from the early 90's that sound GREAT. Only knock may be that Woody is usually lower in the overall mix.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 12:11 PM
Ah yes, once again someone who has 3 new posts only is "shocked" that the track is split and is angered. Seems to me the consensus here is if you are shocked & disappointed with your "crappy" discs, there appears to be quite a long list of volunteers who would take it off your hands easily for what you paid for.

Dude, **** or get off the pot. Don't mean to be vulgar but I simply can't take it anymore. A couple of whiny little bastards who say how much the discs suck with the edits; when a large number of people here want to buy the discs and simply cannot.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 12:12 PM
Don't think I've ever gotten so upset over $20 and I hope I never will... BTW, very articulately stated Mr. Wearly.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 12:16 PM
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BTW, does anybody know around when the SB recordings sort of ceased to circulate from the 90's & on? There are several from the early 90's that sound GREAT. Only knock may be that Woody is usually lower in the overall mix.


To my knowledge, right after the Beacon run in Mrch 1997. Have not come across one which was a SBD patch afterwards. Some are listed as such, but are not. To my knowledge if they exist, they are not widely circulated. If you are holding one, lucky devil.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 05:36 PM
OK, all of you have now convinced me that I should be delighted when I am
force-fed crap. It's not the damned $20 I'm moaning about, it's the principal involved. I still don't believe it was necessary to split the track and I think it sucks to do that when it is avoidable and unecessary.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 05:48 PM
I agree with Finsky. I bought the 9/16/71 Stonybrook show at an ABB show a few weeks back, and I swear . . . it sounds like it was recorded over thirty years ago on analog equipment.

But seriously, this is a new venture. Clear Channel may be doing this with a few other bands . . . but how many of those other groups are pulling out a surprise 30-minute (or so) tune late in a show? Cut the people some slack. If this idea takes, off, the quality will improve. And, now that this mistake has happened, and we all know it's very fixable/preventable, I doubt that it will happen again.

In the meantime, download some free softare and merge the tracks. Peace.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 06:21 PM
hey, wearly,

i will buy your CD. $20 & postage. don't be force-fed crap. i'll buy it. no joke. send me a PM.

everyone else, the split is just like on EAP, and the sound is so terrifically great. i knew the show i saw was special, but hearing what it REALLY sounded like is just amazing. my friend described it as 3-D.

wearly, i'll buy it for $25 & postage, so put up or shut up. if it's crap, you won't mind parting with it, and i'll hook you up with a boot of the show for free.

on your honor, you won't copy it & sell it to me, right? i mean, 'crap?' send it on brother. PM me NOW and sell it to me, or honest, give it a rest.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 06:24 PM
PS: wearly, let me be the first to invite you to our home next year before the charlotte show, so you can meet, in person, some of the people you're insulting. i'm sure they'll all be very nice to you, and i have no doubt that, in person, you'll be as respectful to them as they are to everyone.
 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 07:22 PM
Ron E, all my insults followed insults directed at me and I don't see you taking issue with those folks. I would gladly and cheerfully go into your home in Charlotte before the next show and greet my effacers to whom I responded in kind. In fact, please give me your name and address right now and I'll be more than happy to deliver this cd to your door with my compliments and see if you're as respectful as those words you said to me in that post. I bet your knees would be knocking and you'd be pooching up those big brown-nosed lips of yours to kiss my butt and apologize for your condescension.

Now, get this through your heads once and for all, ok folks? I made no mention of how much I paid for the cd's. I made no reference to wanting to sell them. I said the sound quality is excellent and it is. I like the rest of the recording, BUT I still think it sucks that they split that track and I still think it was avoidable and unecessary to do it. Make apologies for crappy products all you want, but that is what that practice amounts to and if nothing is said they will continue to do it and I don't think they should. I could have said this less vociferously, but I honestly am shocked that more of you don't agree with me. I can promise you one thing - I would never sell anyone a product that had this kind of an obvious flaw without some kind of apprisal or clarification beforehand. Nevertheless, if you guys don't mind the tracks being split, then you have my permission to purchase all of them you want, ok? Have a nice day!!!

 

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  posted on 8/13/2003 at 07:43 PM
wow, that TRULY hits a new low, so i guess i'll respond in kind. here goes.

hey, you piece of ---, send me YOUR name and address and phone number, and i'll call you, give you my address, and you can come deliver it to me at a set time.

i learned many years ago that it's foolish to threaten people that you don't know, over the internet no less. no threats here, just an assurance that my knees won't be knocking when you arrive.

 
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