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  posted on 8/10/2003 at 09:03 AM
At the Tuesday show it was about half and half between those who knew the new album and those who didn't. I got it the first day it came out and just love it. Gregg is absolutely correct it is the best since Eat a Peach. I love more each time. The local public classic rock station gave it no airplay. However, our excellent NPR station has been playing it up since the day it came out. THe night before the show they inaugereated their new program "jam nation" with a significant Allmans tribute.

How well known is the new album on your airwaves? Do the people at the shows seem to know the material? Do you have it? Am I insane for being such a "snob" to expect most people to be aware of what the band is up to lately?

 

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  posted on 8/10/2003 at 08:52 PM
I've only heard a song or two on the radio from it, and I also got it the day it was released. I'd heard songs from it at the shows before it came out, so I was excited. I think it's great. But you know, remember that era from '89-'97? I love HTN, but why is it better than those early 90's albums? Now, I'm not saying it's not better. I know there's no filler on it, and there is a song or two on those early-mid 90's albums that maybe don't hold up as well, but some of the strong songs on those albums are SO good...I just wonder why people say HTN is better than BWIAB or Shades.

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  posted on 8/10/2003 at 09:22 PM
I bought the HTN disc because I knew that was the only way to hear the songs before the show.
I've heard one song - The High Cost of Low Living - on the radio, one time. It was on a radio show devoted to the Band, and took two hours.
HTN is OK, in my opinion, not great. I'd much rather listen to the Dreams compilation, or any of the concert discs I've been able to accumulate.
I do, however, have a soft spot for Instrumental Illness. I think I could listen to that song all day.

 

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  posted on 8/10/2003 at 09:33 PM
The new album has gotten some airplay in Atlanta, and Desdemona was greeted with a jubilant reception on Friday. I did find it strange that was the only song from the new album, but they played a bunch of songs from HTN last year in Atlanta, so I guess that makes sense. Personally, I haven't listened to Back Where It All Begins in about two years. I think HTN beats it in every way, but that's just my opinion.

I second that emotion about Instrumental Illness, and also feel the same about High Cost of Low Living. Sometimes I'll just flip back and forth between those two, with Desdemona and Rocking Horse thrown in occasionally. Heart Of Stone is the only song that I skip on a regular basis.

 
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  posted on 8/11/2003 at 12:38 AM
I love the new album, and I also think that Gregg is correct in saying that it's their best work since 'Eat a peach'. I remember getting the new album right before going to the 3/20/03 Beacon show, which was my first show at the famous Beacon theather in nyc.

My one friend doesn't like the new album; but he doesn't like anything after 'Eat a peach'.

At the philly show last week some guy in front of me was amazed when he learned that Derek Trucks was Butch's nephew. There also were some drunk kids that couldn't care less what was being played and started yelling for Neil Young and started singing 'Old Man'. Thankfully they shut up. I'd say a good handful of people knew the new songs.

What a coincidence, ALoveSupreme my local npr station has also been playing the new ABB album a lot and they also started a new 'jam band' segment which features the grateful dead hour. The station has been playing Desdmona and the high cost of low living.

 
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  posted on 8/11/2003 at 01:08 AM
I love the new CD, but don't know if it's the best since EAP. I think Where It All Begins is a great album.

Two of the NYC area stations (one college station, WFUV and one classic rock,
Q-104) occasionally play Firing Line and I've heard High Cost on FUV. When the band was coming to Jones Beach back in June, Q-104 ran a contest for tickets and played Ramblin' Man as the song to call in on! Maybe they thought no one would recognize a new song, cause they don't play them enough.

I find that at any concert most "fans" just know the hits, don't know band members names, etc. I call them casual fans. The real fans are here and it's such a pleasure to meet other "real fans" at a show. I don't mean to be a snob, just my observations.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2003 at 03:41 AM
I agree it's the best since Eat a Peach. I hear the same stations Barb does (Q104.3 and WFUV) - I don't recall hearing anything other than Firing Line, but here's hoping that changes.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2003 at 06:17 AM
First, just let me say that "Hittin' The Note" is a GREAT record. This record is absolutely one of the best in the catalogue. I'm a "deep album cut" person, so I personally have found great tunes on every ABB record that I have, so I don't necessarily think it's their best work since "Eat A Peach". I DO, however, think that this is one of their stronger records, and a great omen of things to come from the band.
 

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  posted on 8/11/2003 at 07:35 AM
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However, our excellent NPR station has been playing it up since the day it came out. THe night before the show they inaugereated their new program "jam nation" with a significant Allmans tribute.


we must live in the same area. WXPN has been a complete supporter of this album and plays it often.

The Jam Nation on Monday nights is very good, and last weeks inaguaral show had several ABB songs included.... most notebly...MAYDELL.

Personally, while i think that it is great for the ABB to get airplay on the stations, so they can sell more records - i hate it when the Radio singles out one song to assualt you with over and over again.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2003 at 09:32 AM
HTN is amazing, no doubt, but I don't think it's clear-cut "better" than the other 90's albums... In fact, Shades of Two Worlds, which is an oft-overlooked record in the band's history, is starting to grow on me...

I think Hittin' the Note is the most consistent, in that there are no throwaway tunes (although I could still do without "Heart of Stone"), but I don't think it reaches the peak of "Nobody Knows"...

Besides, the fact that Warren Haynes came in and wrote every song on the album takes away some of the luster, considering that Shades and the other 90's records featured songs by Gregg and Dickey (both original members)...

 

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  posted on 8/11/2003 at 09:45 AM
I'm not going to get into the comparison game - suffice to say that I love "Hittin' The Note" and I echo Rob on "Instrumental Illness" and "High Cost." I just never tire of the outro - at their show in Pittsburgh, the reaction to the "new stuff" was good. The crowd was enthusiastic the entire night actually - was a fine show it was!!!!

 

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  posted on 8/11/2003 at 09:46 AM
"the fact that Warren Haynes came in and wrote every song on the album takes away some of the luster"

Why? Not trying to be a jerk, just curious. Personally, I could care less if Desdemona was written by Eminem and Britney Spears, it's still a great song.

 
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  posted on 8/11/2003 at 10:06 AM
Well, the fact that, of the 11 songs, 4 of them have appeared on other records bothers me. It always has.
" Who To Believe" (released on Blues Co-ops' 1997 "Muddy Water Fever" and Tony Sarno's 1995 "Blues Fever")
" Maydell" (released on John Mayall's 1993 album "Wake Up Call" and Johnny Neel's 1995 "Comin' At Ya")
" Rockin' Horse" (released on Gov't Mule's 1995 debut album)
" Old Friend" (released on Chris Anderson's 1995 "Old Friend") are all retreads.

For me, the core of the album are "Firing Line", "High Cost of Low Living", "Desdemona", "Woman Across the River" and "Old Before My Time", and I don't think it's a coincidence that those are the first 5 songs on the album. Four of the next Six are all retreads, except for "Instrumental Illness", which is an awesome tune, and "Heart of Stone".

As impressive as the "new"material is, 6 new songs and 4 covers/retreads is a lot. Juxapose that against the other 90's albums where all of the music was fresh and solely intender for the Allmans. The exception to that is "No One To Run With", with was written for BHLT. Regardless, it was never released, and I don't think the band would have touched it if it was.

I'm not dumping on the album at all. To me, the 5 new songs are top notch, and the covers are scorching. If the band could have come up with 2 or 3 new originals, it would have been much more respectable IMHO, just because it is my belief that a band should never retread old songs. HTN would be no different if it were the 4 new songs, 2 covers, "Just Before the Bullets Fly", "Temporary Saint", "When the Blues Come Knockin'", "Bad Little Doggie" and "Fire in the Kitchen"...

PS - It also bothers me some that the band was only able to work up new material once Warren rejoined. In essence, they kicked their main songwriter (Dickey) out and recruited another one. One has to wonder what happens to the band if Allen Woody doesn't pass on. Gregg obviously needed Warren to help him with his tunes, and you can make a case that absolutely NO new songs see the light of day if Woody doesn't pass on. Certainly, "Maydell", "Who To Believe", "High Cost of Low Living", "Rocking Horse" and "Old Friend" aren't even in consideration.

Looking at the fact that Gregg hasn't written a song on his own since 1992, one could make a very strong case that the band would be broken up by now. Just something to ponder.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2003 at 10:21 AM
"One has to wonder what happens to the band if Allen Woody doesn't pass on.
Looking at the fact that Gregg hasn't written a song on his own since 1992, one could make a very strong case that the band would be broken up by now"

I don't even think that's speculation, that's a fact. Once Jimmy left, Warren was the only other option, and a better option than Jimmy in my opinion. If Allen is still with us, Warren says no and the band ceases to exist.

However, they are still here, and on Friday they played the best show I've seen them play since 93. Maybe I got lucky and saw the best show of the tour, and I suspect that is the case. If they played a better show than that, I want to hear it! I would just ask you to listen to 8/8/03 before you decide I'm off my rocker. If this show doesn't do it for you, then Happy Trails and it has been nice sparring with you

 
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  posted on 8/11/2003 at 12:36 PM
I like the new album, I gave it a B-. It is a good album by the Allman Mule TRuck Band, but to say it is the best Allman Brothers album since Eat A Peach is unreal. I agree with nyc_barb, Where It All Begins is better. Past that I will probably have Jessica played at my funeral, it is so good. There isn't one song on the new one that would come close to falling into that catagory.

Again, thank God for Oteil, Marc, Warren and Derek. They give me a reason to mix past some of the same old, same old and get to the jams. Warren and Derek shine when they jam with other people. I have been listening intently to the Beacon show where Bela Fleck shows up . A lot of the other solos during the concert start out wonderful but then deteriorate into the predictable wall of sound chords that soon come. But when Bela steps in the jams change and flow more interestingly. I think Warren would agree with that seeing how he jams with everybody from the Funky Meters to the Neville Brothers these days. I love Marc's percussion and Jaimoe's drumming as well. Butch is playing good. But, as I have said before, when the tour ends then Warren and Derek will get back to the music they truly want to play. Hopefully Jaimoe will get the jazz thing going again as well.
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  posted on 8/11/2003 at 01:18 PM
RE: "retreads"

> " Who To Believe" (released on Blues Co-ops' 1997 "Muddy Water Fever" and Tony Sarno's 1995 "Blues Fever")

Writing credit for this one is listed as Gregg Allman, so perhaps those others are different songs with the same title?

> " Rockin' Horse" (released on Gov't Mule's 1995 debut album)

This song was recorded by ABB for the Back Where It All Begins album with Gregg singing but never made it on. Written by Haynes/Woody/Pearson/Allman. Sounds more like an ABB tune than many of the others on the HTW, IMHO.


I wouldn't call any of the songs you listed as "retreads" since they hadn't been released by ABB before HTW. Even if you call them covers, as we all know ABB has covered many songs over the years including many of their "standards" from the old days (You Don't Love Me, Stormy Monday, Statesboro Blues, Done Somebody Wrong, the list goes on), so why should anyone be surprised if there are a few "previously recorded" songs on HTW?


 

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  posted on 8/11/2003 at 04:37 PM
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HTN is amazing, no doubt, but I don't think it's clear-cut "better" than the other 90's albums... In fact, Shades of Two Worlds, which is an oft-overlooked record in the band's history, is starting to grow on me...

I think Hittin' the Note is the most consistent, in that there are no throwaway tunes



Agreed.

That's pretty much how I feel about it. I love HTN-but I love Shades and BWIAB and have for a long time, so actually it isn't fair for me to try to think of which one I prefer because sometimes I need to see how I feel after listening to them for 10 years.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2003 at 09:43 AM
Gregg continuously makes the statement that HTN is the best album since EAP. I think this is his way of taking a shot at Dickey.......we all know that Dickey carried the band in the post-EAP period.

That being said, I think HTN is a fabulous album. The musicianship is outstanding. but I think the songwriting is a bit weak in some spots. HTN was so well-received because it was a long time coming. The prior ABB albums are suffering from a bit of "fatigue" in that we have been hearing them for so long. In particular, Brothers and Sisters is now 30 years old. But I believe Jessica, Southbound and Rambling Man are all stronger songs than any of the tunes on HTN, we've just heard them so darn much! Also, HTN benefits from the 75+ minute format that CD's enable. Just think if some of the older albums had 75 minutes of music.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2003 at 09:56 AM
Totally agree...

Remember that saying that Brothers & Sisters is a better album than HTN isn't a knock on the new album. Gregg is still singing and Butch and Jaimoe are still playing, and it's stll the Allman Brothers.

First of all, it's my belief that "Jessica" is the single greatest song ever written, and an album with only "Jessica" and 6 or 7 other oom-pah songs would be an excellent album. But, "Southbound", "Wasted Words", "Ramblin' Man" & "Come & Go Blues" are amazing tunes, and even "Pony Boy" and "Jelly Jelly" are strong tracks.

If I had to rate the band's 10 Best of all time, it would read like this:
1) Eat A Peach
2) Fillmore
3) Idlewild South
4) Allman Brothers Band
5) Brothers & Sisters
6) Where It All Begins
7) Shades of Two Worlds
8a) Seven Turns
8b) Hittin' the Note
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  posted on 8/12/2003 at 10:31 AM
> First of all, it's my belief that "Jessica" is the single greatest song ever written,

Not to get off topic, but didn't ABB win a Grammy for the version of Jessica that appears on Set 2 for "Best Live Performance, Instrumental" or something like that? I remember watching the Grammys TV show that year and when they scrolled through all of the Grammy awards that were given "off the air", I saw it listed. I just never see/hear it talked about at all.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2003 at 10:31 AM
Non Live releases (Of course EAP has some live)

1) Allman Brothers Band
2) Idlewild South
3) Eat A Peach
4) Hittin the Note
5) Where it all Begins
6) Shades of Two Worlds
7) Seven Turns
8) Win, Lose or Draw
9) Brothers and Sisters
10) Enlightened Roques
11) Reach for the Sky
12) Brothers of the Road

 

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  posted on 8/12/2003 at 10:36 AM
Kenny,

I'd like to know your reasoning behind putting "WLD" ahead of B&S"...

 

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  posted on 8/12/2003 at 10:38 AM
I'd like to know his reasoning for putting Reach for the Sky and Brothers of the Road last....

 

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  posted on 8/12/2003 at 10:46 AM
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I'd like to know your reasoning behind putting "WLD" ahead of B&S"...



Brothers and Sisters is really the best of the two...I know...but I had a friend that played B&S to death for a solid year. We rode to school together..LoL. I like W.L.&D. because of "High Falls" and the stuff Dickey sings, reminds me more of his solo stuff. But I understand why folks love B&S...it's more of a personal thing with me. It does have some great tunes on it.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2003 at 10:56 AM
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I'd like to know his reasoning for putting Reach for the Sky and Brothers of the Road last....





Well..other than Mike Lawler...the rest of the band just really fell apart on these two. Lawler is all over the place on these two....he was a force to be reckoned with...unstoppable. This is what led him to getting work with legendary folks like Confederate Railroad and Pam Tillis.

I think the band was in awe of working with Mike and they felt intimitated...thus the subpar releases......

Mike went on to bigger and better things..........while the band struggled on.


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