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  posted on 10/28/2008 at 08:00 PM
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So, would you care to expand on how owning an Uzi endangers "your family, your neighbors, your community..."?


Will do so real quick, only because I don't feel like wasting my time responding to you. It endangers your family, because it can blow your son's head off in a second, even with the best training and supervision. It endangers your neighbors and your community, because where there is a gun, there is a potential for that gun to be fired, whether accidentally, intentionally, by you or by others, once that thing goes off, it's a danger to everyone in the area.

To a degree, this is an urban/rural divide, as I live in close quarters with my neighbors, and if I knew that they had guns in their homes, I would be uncomfortable to say the very least. Whereas in our cabin in Woodstock, my neighbor has rifles and I couldn't care less. But where there is a gun, there is a potential for disaster. No amount of training and responsibility can guarantee that this type of accident won't occur in your neck of the woods.


So basically you're saying that you have a personal aversion to firearms being close to you.
Correct?
Now, what if those neighbors living close to you were collectors of military type firearms? Do you think they shouldn't be able to enjoy this pastime since they live close to you?
Nothing can prevent all accidents from happening, that's why they are called accidents. Training on use, care, handling, and safety prevents most accidents from happening.
Responsibility doesn't cause accidents, it's doing irresponsible acts that many times end in tragedy.
Teaching children from an early age what a firearm can do starts them on the way to being responsible teens and adults on firearm safety.
Take a child out and show them what happens to a jug of water, or better yet a watermelon, when it gets hit with a bullet, and they'll be on the road to respecting the damage that a firearm can do to them.
Teach them that if they see a gun out in the open to go to the nearest adult and not to touch the gun. If a child can see it, it's a danger to that child. (This is taught in the "Eddie Eagle" Gun safety course by the NRA)

 

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  posted on 10/28/2008 at 08:12 PM
Ever heard of a gun safe or a trigger lock? Or a carrying case? You don't just leave these types of guns laying around or in the night stand next to the bed.

For the record, I have fired an Uzi. I have fired an AR-15. The Uzi is a handful, to say the least. You fire them in short bursts. The barrel tends to travel upward. You fire a burst, re-aim, then fire again. The AR-15 was NOT fully auto. It was without a doubt the best long gun I have ever fired. I'd buy one in a heart beat....for sport shooting. I don't have any use for an Uzi, though.

Marc, the problem I have with your viewpoint is you don't think ANYONE can handle guns responsibly. You are partially right about the urban/rural slant. So, I'll just let it go at that. You got your opinion, I got mine. It does remind me of a tune, though.

A Country Boy Can Survive - Hank Williams, Jr.

The preacher man says itís the end of time
And the Mississippi River sheís a goiní dry
The interest is up and the Stock Markets down
And you only get mugged
If you go down town

I live back in the woods, you see
A woman and the kids, and the dogs and me
I got a shotgun rifle and a 4-wheel drive
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

I can plow a field all day long
I can catch catfish from dusk till dawn
We make our own whiskey and our own smoke too
Ainít too many things these ole boys canít do
We grow good ole tomatoes and homemade wine
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

Because you canít starve us out
And you cant makes us run
Cause one-of- Ďem old boys raisin ole shotgun
And we say grace and we say Maíam
And if you ainít into that we donít give a damn

We came from the West Virginia coalmines
And the Rocky Mountains and the and the western skies
And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

I had a good friend in New York City
He never called me by my name, just hillbilly
My grandpa taught me how to live off the land
And his taught him to be a businessman
He used to send me pictures of the Broadway nights
And Iíd send him some homemade wine

But he was killed by a man with a switchblade knife
For 43 dollars my friend lost his life
Id love to spit some beechnut in that dudes eyes
And shoot him with my old 45
Cause a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

Cause you canít starve us out and you canít make us run
Cause one-of- Ďem old boys raisin ole shotgun
And we say grace and we say Maíam
And if you ainít into that we donít give a damn

Weíre from North California and south Alabam
And little towns all around this land
And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 06:59 AM
The sad thing is folks who believe that legislation will make ANY gun just magicily dissapear and never be seen again. That is really an ignorant perspective. The bad things associated with all firearms from handguns to military ordinance are due to individual carelesnness and the FACT that the criminal element applies in some form or manner. There will never be a law that will change stupidity or cause criminals to discontinue thier aspect of pertainng, carrying or implementing illegal firearms in the course of thier activities and or actions.

Nobody really needs a gun in a perfect world but it isn't NOBODYS right to say they can't have one.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 07:11 AM
gotdrumz, well stated. Unfortunately, just read back through this thread, you will see alot of folks who just don't agree.

Personal responsibility seems to have taken a big smack in the face these days.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 02:26 PM
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For the record, I have fired an Uzi. I have fired an AR-15. The Uzi is a handful, to say the least. You fire them in short bursts. The barrel tends to travel upward. You fire a burst, re-aim, then fire again. The AR-15 was NOT fully auto. It was without a doubt the best long gun I have ever fired. I'd buy one in a heart beat....for sport shooting. I don't have any use for an Uzi, though.

Marc, the problem I have with your viewpoint is you don't think ANYONE can handle guns responsibly. You are partially right about the urban/rural slant. So, I'll just let it go at that. You got your opinion, I got mine. It does remind me of a tune, though.

A Country Boy Can Survive - Hank Williams, Jr.

The preacher man says itís the end of time
And the Mississippi River sheís a goiní dry
The interest is up and the Stock Markets down
And you only get mugged
If you go down town

I live back in the woods, you see
A woman and the kids, and the dogs and me
I got a shotgun rifle and a 4-wheel drive
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

I can plow a field all day long
I can catch catfish from dusk till dawn
We make our own whiskey and our own smoke too
Ainít too many things these ole boys canít do
We grow good ole tomatoes and homemade wine
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

Because you canít starve us out
And you cant makes us run
Cause one-of- Ďem old boys raisin ole shotgun
And we say grace and we say Maíam
And if you ainít into that we donít give a damn

We came from the West Virginia coalmines
And the Rocky Mountains and the and the western skies
And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

I had a good friend in New York City
He never called me by my name, just hillbilly
My grandpa taught me how to live off the land
And his taught him to be a businessman
He used to send me pictures of the Broadway nights
And Iíd send him some homemade wine

But he was killed by a man with a switchblade knife
For 43 dollars my friend lost his life
Id love to spit some beechnut in that dudes eyes
And shoot him with my old 45
Cause a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

Cause you canít starve us out and you canít make us run
Cause one-of- Ďem old boys raisin ole shotgun
And we say grace and we say Maíam
And if you ainít into that we donít give a damn

Weíre from North California and south Alabam
And little towns all around this land
And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive




Yessir!

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 02:39 PM
Never have fired an automatic weapon, but I have fired an AR-15, an AK-47, SKS, and a Gurand. If we could have gotten the M-60 to feed, I would have fired it, too. I know people who own Barrett 50 cal. Now, I am not going to buy the Barrett or the M-60, as I would probably rather spend that money on something more practical, I think that law-abiding and non-felony record citizens should have the right to buy one if they want.

And, yes that AR is the most accurate and easy to shoot weapon I have ever fired. The one I shot had the red dot "viewfinder" type sight.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 02:50 PM
Mentally disabled?

Mentally Ill?? That is one of the things that can prevent you from getting a concealed carry permit in TN. Even if you don't have a record, if you have an outstanding order of protection on you, you can't get one.

And, to what degree does this affect your sense of personal responsibility? I don't think there is any one that can say that they have never been depressed to a degree.

Tendency toward violence? Or just weird?

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 03:42 PM
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I'll be countin' on you guys to come avenge my death when Hank's prophecy is fulfilled...
Just leave us some clues. We'll be like hounds on the trail!

Think "Next Of Kin." http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1167655193/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLkGIkFn2G0

[Edited on 10/29/2008 by BigDaveOnBass]

[Edited on 10/29/2008 by BigDaveOnBass]

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 03:55 PM
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I'll be countin' on you guys to come avenge my death when Hank's prophecy is fulfilled...


I have to ask, what is Hank's Prophecy?

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 04:20 PM
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Mentally disabled?

Mentally Ill?? That is one of the things that can prevent you from getting a concealed carry permit in TN. Even if you don't have a record, if you have an outstanding order of protection on you, you can't get one.

And, to what degree does this affect your sense of personal responsibility? I don't think there is any one that can say that they have never been depressed to a degree.

Tendency toward violence? Or just weird?


Sorry, I should have said mentally ill, not disabled. So someone with a history of mental illness can't carry a concealed weapon, but can legally purchase weapons, correct? Interesting question about depression though... I'll mull this one over for a bit.

Alan, scroll down a bit... Hank's prophecy is from that Hank Williams Jr song - some background for ya: I'm the "good friend from New York City." And I'm counting on my strapped friends to come avenge me if and when the great prophet Hank Jr's words are fulfilled.




You still got the $43?

Thanks for the clarification.

 

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