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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 06:24 PM
OBAMA FIRES A 'ROBIN HOOD' WARNING SHOT

IT'S A LEAK! Barack Obama tells Ohio plumber Joe Wurzelbacher he intends to "spread the wealth around."Last updated: 1:37 pm
October 15, 2008
Posted: 3:37 am
October 15, 2008

WASHINGTON - You won't find it in his campaign ads, but Barack Obama let slip his plans to become a modern-day Robin Hood in the White House, confiscating money from the rich to give to the poor.

Conservatives yesterday ripped Obama after he was caught on video telling an Ohio plumber that he intends to take the profits of small-business owners and "spread the wealth around" to those with lesser incomes.


The fracas over Obama's tax plan broke out Sunday outside Toledo when Joe Wurzelbacher approached the candidate.

Wurzelbacher said he planned to become the owner of a small plumbing business that will take in more than the $250,000 amount at which Obama plans to begin raising tax rates.

"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the blue-collar worker asked.

After Obama responded that it would, Wurzelbacher continued: "I've worked hard . . . I work 10 to 12 hours a day and I'm buying this company and I'm going to continue working that way. I'm getting taxed more and more while fulfilling the American Dream."

"It's not that I want to punish your success," Obama told him. "I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success, too.

Then, Obama explained his trickle-up theory of economics.

"My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

Critics said Obama let the cat out of the bag.

"It's clear that his main goal is redistribution of wealth, not growth," said Andy Roth with the anti-tax group Club for Growth. "He's perfectly happy to destroy wealth as long as he can redistribute it."

Obama has been meticulous, Roth said, to conceal the "socialistic" nature of his tax plans. "But every once in a while, he lets it slip," he said.

Republican candidate John McCain yesterday charged that Obama's comment was telling.

"This explains how Senator Obama can promise an income-tax cut for millions who aren't even paying income taxes right now," he said in Pennsylvania.

"My plan isn't intended to force small businesses to cut jobs to pay higher taxes so we can 'spread the wealth around.' My plan is intended to create jobs and increase the wealth of all Americans."

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So, making things good so people at the bottom have a chance to succeed and buy into the 'American Dream' is bad? That's essentially what Obama said....the rest of the commentary came from other people putting their 'spin' on what he meant. I don't see it that way.

 

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I'm sorry, but it's becoming obvious that Mr. Obama does not understand business or free enterprise capitalism. Somebody needs to tell him that it's not the governments job to "spread wealth around." By the way, this is not a new idea. It's been tried in other places with marginal to dismal results.

What scares me is he may soon be in the position to try his trickle up economics. I can see it now. A bunch of people making $17,000 a year running around creating all these jobs. Don't think so.

 

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I'm willing to try 'trickle up' economics for a while......'trickle down' hasn't worked all that well, it seems.

 

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I'm sorry, but it's becoming obvious that Mr. Obama does not understand business or free enterprise capitalism. Somebody needs to tell him that it's not the governments job to "spread wealth around." By the way, this is not a new idea. It's been tried in other places with marginal to dismal results.

What scares me is he may soon be in the position to try his trickle up economics. I can see it now. A bunch of people making $17,000 a year running around creating all these jobs. Don't think so.


True, but on the other hand most jobs that are supposed to be created by trickle down are being sent to Mexico, China and India.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 07:37 PM
We've had 'trickle-down' and deregulation for 27 years with the idea that 'a rising tide floats all boats'. I'm willing to try something new.

 

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We've had 'trickle-down' and deregulation for 27 years with the idea that 'a rising tide floats all boats'. I'm willing to try something new.



I fail to see what's been wrong with the last 27 years. During that time, we've still enjoyed a standard of living that people in most other countries only dream about. You guys sure are hard to please. Kind of lends itself to feeling I've had for quite some time - that the average North American is spoiled beyond belief.

The problems were are going through now cannot be blamed on trickle down economics, deregulation (which suddenly and wrongly became a bad word) or free enterprise capitalism. An ill-advised and expensive war, high fuel prices, and a feeble attempt at Universal Home Ownership would be more to blame IMO.

We are not perfect, but still have the best system going, I believe. I only want that system preserved. It made us the envy of the rest of the world.

 

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I'm willing to try 'trickle up' economics for a while......'trickle down' hasn't worked all that well, it seems.

Not picking on what you've said here Ann, but more of a general question...

If the Dems have been attacking "trickle-down" for years, then why did they all just rush headlong into constructing and voting for this bailout? Worse, they added to it with earmarks for all their pet projects.

This is the greatest single act of trickle-down in history, and who supported it unquestionably? The same people who speak out of one side of their mouth that they want to tax the rich more, raise corporate and business taxes, and take care of the little guy were proving a lot more with their actions rather than their words.

In front of crowds they think they can fool, they pull out the class-envy card. Once comfortably in office, they take care of the fat cats.

Watch the actions, ignore the words. You think these guys are going to help you from Washington?

 

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So, making things good so people at the bottom have a chance to succeed and buy into the 'American Dream' is bad? That's essentially what Obama said....the rest of the commentary came from other people putting their 'spin' on what he meant. I don't see it that way.


You don't make things better for the people at the bottom by punishing the success of others. It will hurt the succesful and do nothing to help those at the bottom. This is socialism and it is how you destroy the economy. The way to help those at the bottom is to create jobs, grow the economy and provide education and training.

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Creating an environment whereby people at the bottom of the economic ladder have a chance at success isn't a bad thing. No one said you have to pull a 'Robin Hood' to do it.....make jobs available, make education affordible...I don't see how that destroys the economy.

 

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Creating an environment whereby people at the bottom of the economic ladder have a chance at success isn't a bad thing. No one said you have to pull a 'Robin Hood' to do it.....make jobs available, make education affordible...I don't see how that destroys the economy.


One question HOW? Exactly what would you do? I agree that education should be affordable. ANd lower education should be dramatically improved as REAL reformers are trying to do at the more local level. How do you "make jobs available"? By taxing the people who provide them or spend the money that allows business to grow? How?

 

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How do you "make jobs available"? By taxing the people who provide them or spend the money that allows business to grow? How?


Why don't you tell us....I get the distinct impression you have all the 'right' ideas. Really....do tell.

 

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And who made it possible for Joe Wurzelbacher to start his business? Who was his pseudo-Obama, waiting to spread some money around so that Joe could get started?

I bet Joe did it the old-fashioned way -- he worked for it. And now that he has it, Obama wants to rob Joe (via taxation) of what he accumulated. This is redistribution of wealth, AKA Marxism. And it stinks. What a crock of B.S.

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If 'Joe the plumber' can buy a $250K business then he can make his own decisions about this election.....there are a number of other people who are skating on the edge who have my concerns.

 

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If 'Joe the plumber' can buy a $250K business then he can make his own decisions about this election.....there are a number of other people who are skating on the edge who have my concerns.


The person on the edge will most probably be the helper he pays $8.00 an hour, who has to be let go.

 

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First, it doesn't sound as if 'Joe' has purchased the business so I figure he hasn't hired anyone that has to be let go. From what a few in here believe, if Obama is elected, poor Joe isn't going to buy that business anyway so he definitely won't be hiring.

If Joe is skating so close to the margin that he won't have the money to buy his business if Obama is elected, Joe has more problems than who he votes for.

 

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How do you "make jobs available"? By taxing the people who provide them or spend the money that allows business to grow? How?


Why don't you tell us....I get the distinct impression you have all the 'right' ideas. Really....do tell.


There is no secret. But letting the free market operate, letting business grow creates jobs. This country has prospered to a remarkable degree over the past 25 years and many have entered the middle class. There are problems and things that need to be done but I do not think returning to the confiscatory anti-growth policies of the 70's is the answer and I have yet to hear anything else from Obama or the Democrats.

 

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First, it doesn't sound as if 'Joe' has purchased the business so I figure he hasn't hired anyone that has to be let go. From what a few in here believe, if Obama is elected, poor Joe isn't going to buy that business anyway so he definitely won't be hiring.

If Joe is skating so close to the margin that he won't have the money to buy his business if Obama is elected, Joe has more problems than who he votes for.


Wow. The above has more fallacious points than virtually anything I have read. The way the economy grows is if the Joes of the world are ENCOURAGED to purchase businesses and invest and hire people. It is NOT a good thing that Joe will be taxed out of his ability to do this. Let us not forget that state and local taxes can be confiscatory as well. Small businesses frequently turn over better than fifty percent of their net earnings to the various governments. And that's not high enough? You will see stagnation and endless recession if these ideas become law.

 

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All I've read are hypotheticals.....I still want to see facts and figures to back up that arguement. And we don't have to worry about 'Joe'....I gather he's voting for McCain.

 

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The part that Obama doesn't make clear - or at least I haven't seen it yet - is how these tax increases on those above $250 will be applied.

There's a lot of small business owners who file as sole proprietors, meaning that their business' revenue is essentially seen as personal income. Its pretty easy to have over $250k of business revenue, but after expenses only net $100k, or far less.

So would that $250k limit be applied in those caases? McCain could have hit Obama much more intelligently tonight on those kind of specifics. What he needed was a scalpel, instead he brought a broadsword.

The same goes for Obama's statements on tax cuts. There will be no tax cuts for the middle class, but you have to read his detailed plan to see the sentance that says "marginal rates will remain the same". Instead, he's offering tax credits under specific situations. If you qualify, then horay for you - if not, you're SOL.

Once again; McCain coud have rocked Obama back on his heels if he could point out those details with some measure of intelligence. Obviously, details are not his strong suit...

 

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Thank you....that was a good post with information. I appreciate it.

 

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OBAMA FIRES A 'ROBIN HOOD' WARNING SHOT

IT'S A LEAK! Barack Obama tells Ohio plumber Joe Wurzelbacher he intends to "spread the wealth around."Last updated: 1:37 pm
October 15, 2008
Posted: 3:37 am
October 15, 2008

WASHINGTON - You won't find it in his campaign ads, but Barack Obama let slip his plans to become a modern-day Robin Hood in the White House, confiscating money from the rich to give to the poor.

Conservatives yesterday ripped Obama after he was caught on video telling an Ohio plumber that he intends to take the profits of small-business owners and "spread the wealth around" to those with lesser incomes.


The fracas over Obama's tax plan broke out Sunday outside Toledo when Joe Wurzelbacher approached the candidate.

Wurzelbacher said he planned to become the owner of a small plumbing business that will take in more than the $250,000 amount at which Obama plans to begin raising tax rates.

"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the blue-collar worker asked.

After Obama responded that it would, Wurzelbacher continued: "I've worked hard . . . I work 10 to 12 hours a day and I'm buying this company and I'm going to continue working that way. I'm getting taxed more and more while fulfilling the American Dream."

"It's not that I want to punish your success," Obama told him. "I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success, too.

Then, Obama explained his trickle-up theory of economics.

"My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

Critics said Obama let the cat out of the bag.

"It's clear that his main goal is redistribution of wealth, not growth," said Andy Roth with the anti-tax group Club for Growth. "He's perfectly happy to destroy wealth as long as he can redistribute it."

Obama has been meticulous, Roth said, to conceal the "socialistic" nature of his tax plans. "But every once in a while, he lets it slip," he said.

Republican candidate John McCain yesterday charged that Obama's comment was telling.

"This explains how Senator Obama can promise an income-tax cut for millions who aren't even paying income taxes right now," he said in Pennsylvania.

"My plan isn't intended to force small businesses to cut jobs to pay higher taxes so we can 'spread the wealth around.' My plan is intended to create jobs and increase the wealth of all Americans."

NY Post




Halloween is almost upon us and this is the latest campfire story for Conservatives. Im sure this was all in context and that Obama "slipped" and accidentally confessed his Socialist intent. Dont we have a complete transcript?

 

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OBAMA FIRES A 'ROBIN HOOD' WARNING SHOT

IT'S A LEAK! Barack Obama tells Ohio plumber Joe Wurzelbacher he intends to "spread the wealth around."Last updated: 1:37 pm
October 15, 2008
Posted: 3:37 am
October 15, 2008

WASHINGTON - You won't find it in his campaign ads, but Barack Obama let slip his plans to become a modern-day Robin Hood in the White House, confiscating money from the rich to give to the poor.

Conservatives yesterday ripped Obama after he was caught on video telling an Ohio plumber that he intends to take the profits of small-business owners and "spread the wealth around" to those with lesser incomes.


The fracas over Obama's tax plan broke out Sunday outside Toledo when Joe Wurzelbacher approached the candidate.

Wurzelbacher said he planned to become the owner of a small plumbing business that will take in more than the $250,000 amount at which Obama plans to begin raising tax rates.

"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the blue-collar worker asked.

After Obama responded that it would, Wurzelbacher continued: "I've worked hard . . . I work 10 to 12 hours a day and I'm buying this company and I'm going to continue working that way. I'm getting taxed more and more while fulfilling the American Dream."

"It's not that I want to punish your success," Obama told him. "I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success, too.

Then, Obama explained his trickle-up theory of economics.

"My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

Critics said Obama let the cat out of the bag.

"It's clear that his main goal is redistribution of wealth, not growth," said Andy Roth with the anti-tax group Club for Growth. "He's perfectly happy to destroy wealth as long as he can redistribute it."

Obama has been meticulous, Roth said, to conceal the "socialistic" nature of his tax plans. "But every once in a while, he lets it slip," he said.

Republican candidate John McCain yesterday charged that Obama's comment was telling.

"This explains how Senator Obama can promise an income-tax cut for millions who aren't even paying income taxes right now," he said in Pennsylvania.

"My plan isn't intended to force small businesses to cut jobs to pay higher taxes so we can 'spread the wealth around.' My plan is intended to create jobs and increase the wealth of all Americans."

NY Post




Halloween is almost upon us and this is the latest campfire story for Conservatives. Im sure this was all in context and that Obama "slipped" and accidentally confessed his Socialist intent. Dont we have a complete transcript?


It's all parsing of words. McCain could say that he is going to "lead the entire nation in a new dawn of prosperity for all Americans" and it basically means the same thing. Somehow we've gotten back to looking for Commies under the bed.

 

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Somehow we've gotten back to looking for Commies under the bed.
Pest control is easier and more effective when we root out the dangers at their sources. Failing that, it's still effective to nail them before they get rooted in and established.

I don't trust Obama. His background is way too shady, he has far too many undesirable connections, and he's so evasive (opening up only when cornered) that I can't afford to trust him.

I don't want any of his past associates to have access to the White House, either.

Joe McCarthy was right. His methods were deplorable, his presentation left a lot to be desired, but communism and communists are still real threats. If we ignore them, we'll have nobody to complain to. And we may lose so much that we won't ever get it back.

The Cold War isn't over, and probably won't be for a long time. Hitler died in 1945, yet nazism still festers here and there. Communism is no different in that it still appeals to far too many foolish people.

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Somehow we've gotten back to looking for Commies under the bed.
Pest control is easier and more effective when we root out the dangers at their sources. Failing that, it's still effective to nail them before they get rooted in and established.

I don't trust Obama. His background is way too shady, he has far too many undesirable connections, and he's so evasive (opening up only when cornered) that I can't afford to trust him.

I don't want any of his past associates to have access to the White House, either.

Joe McCarthy was right. His methods were deplorable, his presentation left a lot to be desired, but communism and communists are still real threats. If we ignore them, we'll have nobody to complain to. And we may lose so much that we won't ever get it back.

The Cold War isn't over, and probably won't be for a long time. Hitler died in 1945, yet nazism still festers here and there. Communism is no different in that it still appeals to far too many foolish people.

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So, you are of the belief that Obama is a Communist?

 

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