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Cyberstalking has been defined as
"the use of information and communications technology, particularly the Internet, by an individual or group of individuals, to harass another individual, group of individuals, or organization. The behavior includes false accusations, monitoring, the transmission of threats.
The harassment must be such that a reasonable person, in possession of the same information, would regard it as sufficient to cause another reasonable person distress"

Key factors are :

False Accusations Many cyberstalkers try to damage the reputation of their victims and turn other people against them. They will post false information about them on websites. They post allegations about the victim to newsgroups, chat rooms, and other sites .

Encourages Others To Harass The Victim. Many cyberstalkers try to involve third parties in the harassment. They may claim the victim has harmed the stalker or his/her family, in some way.

False Victimization The cyberstalker will claim that the victim is harassing him/her.

More commonly they will post defamatory or derogatory statements about their stalking target on web pages, message boards, and in Guest Books designed to get a reaction or response from their victim.

Once they get a reaction from the victim, they will typically attempt to follow the victims' internet activity.

The current US Anti-Cyber-Stalking law is found at 47 USC sec. 223.

(loosely copied from Wikipedia, didn't need to quote the entire article)

Anybody we know on this site that follows those descriptions?

 

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  posted on 9/3/2008 at 11:47 AM
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We need pictures.

 

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We need pictures.


Wish I had them, but I don't.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2008 at 11:49 AM
damn the irony I just read your sig.

 

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Anybody we know on this site that follows those descriptions?


No, who do you have in mind?

 

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damn the irony I just read your sig.


That was to let the people who thought it was ok to sell the photos I posted about the band "back in the day" that it really wasn't ok.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2008 at 11:53 AM
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Anybody we know on this site that follows those descriptions?


No, who do you have in mind?


Quinn?

 

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Anybody we know on this site that follows those descriptions?


No, who do you have in mind?


Think about it.

 

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Anybody we know on this site that follows those descriptions?


No, who do you have in mind?


Think about it.


Sang?

 

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Anybody we know on this site that follows those descriptions?


No, who do you have in mind?


Think about it.


Why go through the mystery? You want to call someone out, call them out. It certainly can't effect the low level of discourse any more or less than it has been around here lately anyway.

 

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Anybody we know on this site that follows those descriptions?


No, who do you have in mind?


Think about it.


Why go through the mystery? You want to call someone out, call them out. It certainly can't effect the low level of discourse any more or less than it has been around here lately anyway.


Why spoil the fun. Do a "treasure hunt" and see if you can figure out who lately has accused a poster of something they claim no knowledge of, who has followed a poster from thread to thread and posted derogatory remarks about them, and who has called on others to do the same.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2008 at 12:53 PM
But, was he correct? Was this new poster in fact, the same old person who had been banned? If it's true, does that not change things?

 

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Anybody we know on this site that follows those descriptions?


No, who do you have in mind?


Think about it.


Why go through the mystery? You want to call someone out, call them out. It certainly can't effect the low level of discourse any more or less than it has been around here lately anyway.


Why spoil the fun. Do a "treasure hunt" and see if you can figure out who lately has accused a poster of something they claim no knowledge of, who has followed a poster from thread to thread and posted derogatory remarks about them, and who has called on others to do the same.


Oh geeze, he must mean me. Oh, I am so upset. How can I go on?

Hey Jerry, I'll start a thread about you and your frinds and show a gay porno picture, say that it is you and the picture and see how you react. OK?


Wouldn't bother me at all, since I know it would only give you a little bit of fun.
After what I've been put through over the past couple of years, I think I can handle it.

By the way, you owe nomercy an apology. I can assure you that SHE isn't Roger999, mikey7, or anyone else you want to accuse her of being.
SHE didn't start the thread you keep referring to.
She posted a sentiment in the "Showing Berry Some Love" thread and you followed her there with your "troll chart" and berated HER for still being on this site.
SHE posted once, and you "determined" this was someone you needed to get banned right away and called on your friends to help you.
The worst thing SHE posted about you was that you were a "mean old man".
You come up with things like "She (Lana) knows who you are, charzie." Which, since she isn't charize, I would guess that you haven't really been talking to Lana, or you just decided that this is who it is, so that's who this is. You're wrong. Not only wrong, but very wrong in a hateful, spiteful way.
Right now any respect I've had for you is quickly being eroded by your lack of even attempting to set things right.
Admit your mistake, apologize, and let's move on with life.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2008 at 01:56 PM
I'm not suggesting anything, I'm asking cause I don't know.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2008 at 02:06 PM
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damn the irony I just read your sig.


That was to let the people who thought it was ok to sell the photos I posted about the band "back in the day" that it really wasn't ok.

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  posted on 9/3/2008 at 02:14 PM
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Anybody we know on this site that follows those descriptions?


No, who do you have in mind?


Think about it.


Why go through the mystery? You want to call someone out, call them out. It certainly can't effect the low level of discourse any more or less than it has been around here lately anyway.


Why spoil the fun. Do a "treasure hunt" and see if you can figure out who lately has accused a poster of something they claim no knowledge of, who has followed a poster from thread to thread and posted derogatory remarks about them, and who has called on others to do the same.


Oh geeze, he must mean me. Oh, I am so upset. How can I go on?

Hey Jerry, I'll start a thread about you and your frinds and show a gay porno picture, say that it is you and the picture and see how you react. OK?


Wouldn't bother me at all, since I know it would only give you a little bit of fun.
After what I've been put through over the past couple of years, I think I can handle it.

By the way, you owe nomercy an apology. I can assure you that SHE isn't Roger999, mikey7, or anyone else you want to accuse her of being.
SHE didn't start the thread you keep referring to.
She posted a sentiment in the "Showing Berry Some Love" thread and you followed her there with your "troll chart" and berated HER for still being on this site.
SHE posted once, and you "determined" this was someone you needed to get banned right away and called on your friends to help you.
The worst thing SHE posted about you was that you were a "mean old man".
You come up with things like "She (Lana) knows who you are, charzie." Which, since she isn't charize, I would guess that you haven't really been talking to Lana, or you just decided that this is who it is, so that's who this is. You're wrong. Not only wrong, but very wrong in a hateful, spiteful way.
Right now any respect I've had for you is quickly being eroded by your lack of even attempting to set things right.
Admit your mistake, apologize, and let's move on with life.



So you think that I should apologize. Do you say the same thing to people who have turned this site into a sewer? Come back to me when the playing field is level. And if nomercy is the person that SHE may have been rumored to be, SHE does not deserve my respect because of the way SHE has treated me and others in the past. But I am not convinced that this person is anyone other than roger. There is too similarity in style, the simple minded one line posts, calling me an angry old man. And SHE never posted 80 times in one day, never posted in a sports thread, let alone started one and if SHE did, I doubt it would have been about Chicago or USC.


And AGAIN, you are wrong. SHE is not any of those persons.

You're now following the False Victimization stage:
False Victimization: The cyberstalker will claim that the victim is harassing him/her.

Face it, you just don't want to admit that you are wrong.
All you are doing is making the choice for nomercy to just file charges a lot easier.
You didn't listen to her, and you aren't listening to me. You just keep on with the same, wrong notion of who this is.

You ready to let folks know you were wrong and apologize, or do you want to get in deeper?

 

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  posted on 9/3/2008 at 02:28 PM
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Jerry just curious, how can you be so sure?

This guy invents a new identity each time he comes here... last time he even invented a family and such. And like Gregallmanfan suggested, everyone called roger999 out after hi first post, same with mikey7. It's just obvious sometimes... to me, anyhow. We haven't been wrong yet.


This time, all of you are. I've known this person quite a while, SHE left here while working on other endeavors and came back under a new name. My proof is that she knows my e-mail address that is NOT listed in HTW, the one that I rarely give out.

After her first post she is accused of starting a porno thread, being a troll, followed and harassed throughout the entire web site.

SHE posted a sentiment in the "Showing Berry Some Love" thread which said "Gone too soon, gone too young." which got in response OTF's "troll chart" with "But you're still here"

She with "Hey man, that doesn't belong in this thread. I'm paying Brother Berry some respect and you're disrespecting his place. Not good form."

OTF responded with "You don't belong on this web site. Pay some respect to the people here. Own up to what you did. Then talk to me about respect."

Again, falsely accusing her of something someone else did.

I wouldn't blame her if she did file charges.

 

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Anybody we know on this site that follows those descriptions?


No, who do you have in mind?


Think about it.


Why go through the mystery? You want to call someone out, call them out. It certainly can't effect the low level of discourse any more or less than it has been around here lately anyway.


Tel [ii]herr to file charges. Go for it.

Why spoil the fun. Do a "treasure hunt" and see if you can figure out who lately has accused a poster of something they claim no knowledge of, who has followed a poster from thread to thread and posted derogatory remarks about them, and who has called on others to do the same.


Oh geeze, he must mean me. Oh, I am so upset. How can I go on?

Hey Jerry, I'll start a thread about you and your frinds and show a gay porno picture, say that it is you and the picture and see how you react. OK?


Wouldn't bother me at all, since I know it would only give you a little bit of fun.
After what I've been put through over the past couple of years, I think I can handle it.

By the way, you owe nomercy an apology. I can assure you that SHE isn't Roger999, mikey7, or anyone else you want to accuse her of being.
SHE didn't start the thread you keep referring to.
She posted a sentiment in the "Showing Berry Some Love" thread and you followed her there with your "troll chart" and berated HER for still being on this site.
SHE posted once, and you "determined" this was someone you needed to get banned right away and called on your friends to help you.
The worst thing SHE posted about you was that you were a "mean old man".
You come up with things like "She (Lana) knows who you are, charzie." Which, since she isn't charize, I would guess that you haven't really been talking to Lana, or you just decided that this is who it is, so that's who this is. You're wrong. Not only wrong, but very wrong in a hateful, spiteful way.
Right now any respect I've had for you is quickly being eroded by your lack of even attempting to set things right.
Admit your mistake, apologize, and let's move on with life.



So you think that I should apologize. Do you say the same thing to people who have turned this site into a sewer? Come back to me when the playing field is level. And if nomercy is the person that SHE may have been rumored to be, SHE does not deserve my respect because of the way SHE has treated me and others in the past. But I am not convinced that this person is anyone other than roger. There is too similarity in style, the simple minded one line posts, calling me an angry old man. And SHE never posted 80 times in one day, never posted in a sports thread, let alone started one and if SHE did, I doubt it would have been about Chicago or USC.


And AGAIN, you are wrong. SHE is not any of those persons.

You're now following the False Victimization stage:
False Victimization: The cyberstalker will claim that the victim is harassing him/her.

Face it, you just don't want to admit that you are wrong.
All you are doing is making the choice for nomercy to just file charges a lot easier.
You didn't listen to her, and you aren't listening to me. You just keep on with the same, wrong notion of who this is.

You ready to let folks know you were wrong and apologize, or do you want to get in deeper?


Go ahead. Tell her to file charges.


Just remember that YOU said for her to.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2008 at 02:42 PM
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Jerry just curious, how can you be so sure?

This guy invents a new identity each time he comes here... last time he even invented a family and such. And like Gregallmanfan suggested, everyone called roger999 out after hi first post, same with mikey7. It's just obvious sometimes... to me, anyhow. We haven't been wrong yet.


This time, all of you are. I've known this person quite a while, SHE left here while working on other endeavors and came back under a new name. My proof is that she knows my e-mail address that is NOT listed in HTW, the one that I rarely give out.

After her first post she is accused of starting a porno thread, being a troll, followed and harassed throughout the entire web site.

SHE posted a sentiment in the "Showing Berry Some Love" thread which said "Gone too soon, gone too young." which got in response OTF's "troll chart" with "But you're still here"

She with "Hey man, that doesn't belong in this thread. I'm paying Brother Berry some respect and you're disrespecting his place. Not good form."

OTF responded with "You don't belong on this web site. Pay some respect to the people here. Own up to what you did. Then talk to me about respect."

Again, falsely accusing her of something someone else did.

I wouldn't blame her if she did file charges.


It swings both ways, Jerry. If you or anyone else wants to start that crap up, you need to be squeaky clean. This other person who you allege is nomercy is not. There are plenty of nasty things that have been said by many people here. If you or your friend go there, prepare to open a bad Pandoras Box. But I'll tell you, postings on an anonymous web site that don't require you to show your real name or e-mail address probably would not be a cause for any cyberstalking case. And another thing, deleted posts can be recovered. Your friend, if it is the person that I was told it might be, could be in trouble as well.

In the interest of keeping it civil, I will delete the posts in the Berry thread. I hope you got a hat to go with your shiny new sheriffs badge.


How about deleting the Charlize/Mikey thread too? You know, just to keep things nice and civil.

 

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Nomercy is NOT the Roger guy. I got a PM from her - she seems like a very nice person.


Yeah, right. I'm sure you did.


I don't recall addressing you.


I don't recall caring what you think.


If perhaps you'd learn to speak when spoken to, maybe you'd get a little more respect.


You might get more respect if you shut up. Nah, you are past that point.


How enlightened.

How progressive.

How tolerant.

Truly the epitome of the liberal mindset. You're a stunning example thereof, Comrade.

 

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I missed being able to talk with some like minded people in the threads and have an intelligent debate of the political issues with people who didn't necessarily agree with me.

I thought if I created a new screen name and came back without the 'baggage' associated with my old screen name I could enjoy the community again without the acrimonious environment from which I left several months ago. I was wrong.

I'm nomercy and it only took two posts before OTF moved in to resume the attacks I got so tired of before. He just didn't know it was me. So much for OTF's assertions he has the IP address that proved I was charzie and that Lana was going to ban me. And a person I thought might at least give me a chance to create a body of posts that showed my honest attempt to be part of the 'brotherhood' threw me out of a thread without even giving me that opportunity.

I misunderestimated the anger and vengence that lurks beneath the surface of this group....and I really won't be back again....as bigann or as nomercy. I thought I was singled out for scorn and ridicule by certain people last time but now, at least, I know it really wasn't personal, it's just the way those people are. For that reason I'm glad I came back.

I'm proud of some of the things I've accomplished with your help, I'm not sorry for defending myself in the past from personal attacks and I don't owe anyone an apology for trying to reach out to the people in this forum one last time.

Oh, and I really did email Jerry, maconga and a couple of others. And I'm glad maconga thinks I'm a nice person. ps. I'm not going to sue anyone OTF....you're not worth my time.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2008 at 08:31 PM
I dont agree with Maconga very often but in this I do. I would like to see Ann stay around as well, but I certainly understand the reluctance.

 

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Bigann, I hope you will return as well. I apologize for my no objection post.

 

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Sorry, bigann. Not buying it.

 

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I missed being able to talk with some like minded people in the threads and have an intelligent debate of the political issues with people who didn't necessarily agree with me.

I thought if I created a new screen name and came back without the 'baggage' associated with my old screen name I could enjoy the community again without the acrimonious environment from which I left several months ago. I was wrong.

I'm nomercy and it only took two posts before OTF moved in to resume the attacks I got so tired of before. He just didn't know it was me. So much for OTF's assertions he has the IP address that proved I was charzie and that Lana was going to ban me. And a person I thought might at least give me a chance to create a body of posts that showed my honest attempt to be part of the 'brotherhood' threw me out of a thread without even giving me that opportunity.

I misunderestimated the anger and vengence that lurks beneath the surface of this group....and I really won't be back again....as bigann or as nomercy. I thought I was singled out for scorn and ridicule by certain people last time but now, at least, I know it really wasn't personal, it's just the way those people are. For that reason I'm glad I came back.

I'm proud of some of the things I've accomplished with your help, I'm not sorry for defending myself in the past from personal attacks and I don't owe anyone an apology for trying to reach out to the people in this forum one last time.

Oh, and I really did email Jerry, maconga and a couple of others. And I'm glad maconga thinks I'm a nice person. ps. I'm not going to sue anyone OTF....you're not worth my time.



didn't nomercy's sig. say something to the effect that there's no mercy for hypocrisy, fraud and tyranny ? and yet you come back under false pretenses. Your sig. came to fruition on your first post as nomercy. Pretty ironic, ain't it?

 
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