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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 12:03 PM
There has been a lot of discussion in this forum regarding whether certain people who post here have racist tendencies (to try to put it mildly.)

So I want to ask a few questions, and see how many people are willing to give an honest answer:

Do any of you use the word "n*gger" in your everyday conversation? Do you ever use that word to describe black people? Have you ever used this word to describe Barrack Obama? Do you ever tell "n*gger" jokes?


 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 12:12 PM
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There has been a lot of discussion in this forum regarding whether certain people who post here have racist tendencies (to try to put it mildly.)

So I want to ask a few questions, and see how many people are willing to give an honest answer:

Do any of you use the word "n*gger" in your everyday conversation? Do you ever use that word to describe black people? Have you ever used this word to describe Barrack Obama? Do you ever tell "n*gger" jokes?



no
no
never
"Black" jokes, sometimes


Honestly

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 12:24 PM
as a kid i was raised racist--as an adult people are people--if they are nice & decent--i like them--if they are mean spirited i don't...thus,that word or preferences for people based on race have little part in my life--hey i'm one of the token jews here--i'm in no position to hate anyone--only the meanies--& i do believe ya gotta clobber mean spirited jerks--or ignore them--but,random hatred & disparaging words make no sense....
i always wondered how an eye for an eye was part of the old testament,& turn the other cheek part of the new testament--a real contradiction it seems--over time i believe that moderation is the key to many things in life & a moderate path is the one i attempt to travel--so,my time here(2 screen names) i've tried to learn to live by that:
no random hatred
no disparaging or ugly words
no rudeness

but....if someone is a combination of dishonest,mean spirited & often rude--i'll ignore or clobber em verbally--but,never based on race,ethnicity,gender,sexuality,religion,etc....based on how they act toward others--& if a person verbally attacks a friend or someone i care for deeply--family or friend--i will respond,at times,quite harshly...LOYALTY TO DECENT PEOPLE IS,TO ME, A PRIMARY VALUE---& race,etc. just don't apply..

now being honest--i'll screw up--we're all human & flawed--still no words like the"n" word--but,i will wrongly,at times,get angry--i try to apologize if that happens...

the racist upbringing was boken in part due to where music took me as a kid until today...& the people i meet on the musical journey...so no racist jokes for me...

peace



[Edited on 6/30/2008 by dadof2]

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 12:36 PM
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Do any of you use the word "n*gger" in your everyday conversation? Do you ever use that word to describe black people? Have you ever used this word to describe Barrack Obama? Do you ever tell "n*gger" jokes?




NO, but if you wanna hear some really good Pollack jokes...

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 12:47 PM
I do not use that word and I just about die when I hear others use it, even when it is used by black people. It is just plain offensive.

Unfortunately I have a cousin or two who use that word every so often and quite honestly when someone is that ignorant well what do you say to them? I positively cringe....They just don't get it.

I am of the belief that it doesn't matter what your skin color, religious choice, sexual orientation is, if you're a kind person and a good human being, that works for me and that's what matters.

We were all put on this earth and given a chance. What gives someone the right to think that he or she is better than someone else because of their color? That never made any sense to me...


 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 12:49 PM
No to all of the above and I WILL SPEAK UP almost every time I hear crap like that ...but then I'm EVIL so go figure right Dad?

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 12:56 PM



& Red--i neglected to mention i will seek peace if possible--so i take what you said as a funny joke & offer you peace between us--let's move forward not backwards--in the interest of moderation,i think we both overdid it & i am fully responsible & out of line for my part in overdoing it.

[Edited on 6/30/2008 by dadof2]

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 12:58 PM
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There has been a lot of discussion in this forum regarding whether certain people who post here have racist tendencies (to try to put it mildly.)

So I want to ask a few questions, and see how many people are willing to give an honest answer:

Do any of you use the word "n*gger" in your everyday conversation? Do you ever use that word to describe black people? Have you ever used this word to describe Barrack Obama? Do you ever tell "n*gger" jokes?





no
Yes (caveat: I also use it to describe white, red, yellow, etc... people when the description fits - to me the word is associated more with an attitude than a color)
no
If you mean "black" jokes, I sure do (caveat: I also tell lawyer jokes, jewish jokes, pollock jokes, mexican jokes, "man walks into the bar" jokes, etc...).

Show me a person who tells you they are not bigoted and I'll show you a liar! Everyone is bigoted to some extent - it doesn't have to be against black people!

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 01:06 PM
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There has been a lot of discussion in this forum regarding whether certain people who post here have racist tendencies (to try to put it mildly.)

So I want to ask a few questions, and see how many people are willing to give an honest answer:

Do any of you use the word "n*gger" in your everyday conversation? Do you ever use that word to describe black people? Have you ever used this word to describe Barrack Obama? Do you ever tell "n*gger" jokes?





Why are you dropping the "n" word?


I didn't "drop" anything. I asked some straight up questions, ones that I know some people will not give an honest answer to. Not out here, where people can hear them.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 01:08 PM
Do any of you use the word "n*gger" in your everyday conversation? Not everyday but occasionally the term is used between my self and friends in texting and in refference to each other ( such as S*$t N*gger gotta eat)

Do you ever use that word to describe black people? not in refference to a particular race of people see above answer


Have you ever used this word to describe Barrack Obama? No but I do use black


Do you ever tell "n*gger" jokes? maybe when i was in high school but can't think of a time in my adulthood.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 01:19 PM
Since I asked the questions, I should answer them, too.

I've spent about half my life in the South, so I'm very familiar with this word. I have used it in the past, and I have to admit, I spoke the word to myself a few times when I was in New Orleans. I cringe when I hear people in my family use it, and I'm always surprised to get around a group of people who use it freely.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 01:22 PM
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Do any of you use the word "n*gger" in your everyday conversation? Do you ever use that word to describe black people? Have you ever used this word to describe Barrack Obama? Do you ever tell "n*gger" jokes?



No to Q's 1-3, and on #4, I think I did in high school too, like ERouges, over 30 yrs ago.

One caveat, I say some terrible, awful things about alot of different people while I'm alone in my car, battling Atlanta traffic. But it's not a conversation if I'm muttering to myself, right?!

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 01:29 PM
To borrow a line from Gregg Allman....

"I'm no angel."

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 01:34 PM
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There has been a lot of discussion in this forum regarding whether certain people who post here have racist tendencies (to try to put it mildly.)

So I want to ask a few questions, and see how many people are willing to give an honest answer:

Do any of you use the word "n*gger" in your everyday conversation? Do you ever use that word to describe black people? Have you ever used this word to describe Barrack Obama? Do you ever tell "n*gger" jokes?





I can honestly say that I don't use it- however my husband has occasionally uses it (I think he does this to get a rise out of me). I am totally offended by it because it is always used as a pejorative. However, like BDOB, I'm no angel, no saint, sure as hell ain't no savior.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 01:38 PM
I was raised racist and grew up in a blue collar racially mixed northern Chicago suburb where racial fights breaking out at high school was pretty common so if you asked me this question 35 years ago the answer would be yes across the board. I moved away from that environment about 30 years ago and matured a bit so the last 20 or so years I have changed my ways for the positive.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 01:39 PM
Nice signature, peachypetewi!

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 01:53 PM
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Since I asked the questions, I should answer them, too.

I've spent about half my life in the South, so I'm very familiar with this word.


So,do you mean to say that using the word nigger is more common in the south than anywhere else in the USA?

I spent 42 years in New England and not even three in "the south" and I've been hearing it my whole life.
Why? Because racism is a problem everywhere but only narrow-minded people,like yourself,think it comes exclusively with a "southern" accent.

You're a jerk. How's that for honest?


The word is more commonly used in the South than it is in other parts of the country.

My family has been in Georgia since 1755. Both of my parents grew up as children of share croppers. My father was born in a moonshine camp. I've had the opportunity to live and work in lots of other states, and while I know there are racists everywhere, the South is the South.

springer, being called a jerk by you is high humor to me. Narrow minded, too.

You're really funny. Been in the South for three years, and now you are defending the South's honor against someone who knows more about the South than you can every hope to learn. And calling me narrow-minded, and a jerk for asking some questions on a message board. But we all know you here, so I won't let it bother me.

 

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Well thanks, !

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 02:09 PM
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Do any of you use the word "n*gger" in your everyday conversation? Do you ever use that word to describe black people? Have you ever used this word to describe Barrack Obama? Do you ever tell "n*gger" jokes?



No to Q's 1-3, and on #4, I think I did in high school too, like ERouges, over 30 yrs ago.

One caveat, I say some terrible, awful things about alot of different people while I'm alone in my car, battling Atlanta traffic. But it's not a conversation if I'm muttering to myself, right?!



Brock, I don't really think anything you say in traffic should be held against you.

We all know people who use the word freely, and travel in circles of people who use it freely. We've all been around them, at work, or other places. I just wondered if any of them who visit this site would stand up and say so.

We all know there are prejudices in the human family. And most of us have bought into them at some level, at some point in our lives. If you grow up in a family of Ku Klux Klanners, it would be hard to not have some of those beliefs at an early age. But most of us have come to realize we are all one, and the difference in skin color is no more important than the difference in hair color.

I remember it being a new concept for me, when a college professor made the statement that there is no such thing as "races." We are all humans, with different physical characteristics. That's all. That was a new idea for me, but I embraced it immediately, because it is entirely sensible to me.

So I don't look at any ethnic group as being better than anyone else. I do think it is funny that we seem to think of white American males as being at the top of the order in our society. I actually think the Native Americans were a more evolved society than we are, and I think that our country would be in a better place if the women were in charge, rather than the men.

[Edited on 6/30/2008 by SantaCruzBluz]

[Edited on 6/30/2008 by SantaCruzBluz]

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 02:49 PM
In order of the questions -

No

Not now, but in the distant past, and only very rarely when momentarily pissed off (usually behind the wheel)

No

No



But - I will admit that when a close friend says something crazy, I do love pulling out the "n*gger PLEASE!" expression. It's not meant as anything racial - it's just a great phrase to point out an absurdity. But given racial and PC sensitivities, it's recently been coverted to "Canadian PLEASE!". We figure no one will start a riot over that.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 02:50 PM
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There has been a lot of discussion in this forum regarding whether certain people who post here have racist tendencies (to try to put it mildly.)

So I want to ask a few questions, and see how many people are willing to give an honest answer:

Do any of you use the word "n*gger" in your everyday conversation? Do you ever use that word to describe black people? Have you ever used this word to describe Barrack Obama? Do you ever tell "n*gger" jokes?
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I grew up in N.Y.C. and lived in multiracial neighborhoods. My friends and I looked like the
future U.N. and we got along pretty well for the most part. There was always someone close by who could kick you ass or try to if you insulted people. Sometimes we would curse each other out using racial slurs just to see the look of shock in people's faces in the store or wherever we happened to be.........and then we would go outside and laugh until we cried. So no that language and nastiness is not part of me or who I am.

I do have a question for you about this thread. Why does your question leave out people of color who are forum members? In fairness you might want to ask them if they do the same thing but towards white people.

Do any of you use the word cracker in your everyday conversations? Do you ever use that word to describe white people? Do you ever use that word to describe John McCain?
Do you ever tell whitey or cracker jokes?

My friend Richie would say (while he was laughing his ass off) 'Why don't you include black people in your poll too. You ain't the only ones that can be racist"?

Bottom line is that most people don't have that negative nasty racist shet as part of their personality and that is a good thing. I have many friends of different races and religions and shapes and sizes who are married outside of their race and none of us can barely keep track of who is what and who is with whom and none of us really gives a feck either.






I agree that most people don't have that attitude. I don't think very many at all who post here are that way.

I didn't ask the black folks that question, because there is no word that carries anywhere near the weight of the "N" word. Being called whitey or cracker doesn't bother me a single bit, nor does it bother anyone I know. I think they are funny words. There just isn't anything you can call a white person is anywhere near as offensive as the word we're talking about here.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 03:58 PM
I grew up in the North so I'm very familiar with the word....it was a part of the lexicon of my youth but it is a terribly foul word that should not be uttered. Unless its in a rap song. Then its ok.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 04:00 PM
In answer to the 4 questions...

No
No
No
When I was younger, sure. Not so much anymore.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 04:05 PM
I'm Black, use the friggin N word anytime I please.

Only white people are racists.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2008 at 05:05 PM
I grew up with racists in my family so Im very aware of it when I see it and hear it. Of course, growing up in the south, I heard it, lived it, saw it etc. I thought I was going to die when I watched my uncle deny directions to 3 very large black men because "they dont like ni**ers in Cincinatti" They said thank you and drove off. I think all of us can say that we have been around it to some degree or another.

As to the questions, no, yes, when I was a kid, no and no.

I think most of this is surfacing because of Obama... the hatred is palpable.

 

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