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Author: Subject: Look out !! The L.A. Times has joined the vast right wing conspiracy.

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  posted on 9/1/2007 at 10:43 PM
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It is quite amusing that Google doesn't have much on this particular quote, as it is so well known. Their ideology is showing.

Snort. You don't actually know how Google works, do you?

 

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  posted on 9/2/2007 at 08:51 AM
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Actually I don't. It's my firm belief (and I voted for him twice and supported him right to the end) that his obsession with polls and popularity led to a "kick the can" policy in which no problems were seriously dealt with and all were just pushed ahead to another day.


That might be true to a degree... I personally didnt have a problem with his following the polls. The President should listen to the people..we dont elect them to implement their own personal agendas but to enact the will of the people. Same thing with Congress/House.

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If Gore became president, we would have been attacked on 9/11.


Pure speculation although I think the wheels were in motion long before Bush took office, BUT he ignored specific warnings months before 9/11. They simply didnt give them their due attention IMO.

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The problem, while not create by Clinton, was not dealt with at all. This is not the only area where he fell short.


And on the contrary, I think the actions taken by Bush have not only done nothing to make us safer, but in fact have made us less safe. This view is also supported by the majority of intelligence agencies. I see failure from both admininstrations.

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I find him to be a terrific mediocrity and believe history will judge him that way. I will not even mention the fact that he is an obvious creep as I don't find that totally relevant. As bad as things may be now, I never want to go back to a presidency where I perceive the President is more interested in his/her poll numbers than at least trying to do the right thing.


I see following the will of the people as much as you can to be the "right thing" (within reason of course). Im personally sick of the King George routine.

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And that said, it still does not mean all evil flowing in the world originated with Bush. Many of his political opponents seem to believe this.


Youre right of course, but I see quite a bit of the problems we are facing right now as a direct result of actions/inactions by this administration.


We know where our major areas of disagreement are. But we should be able to agree on this. Our system is set up so that our elected leaders are not subject to instant recall or the collapse of their government if they do something unpopular. The framers were smart enough to understand the need for leaders to act for the greater good beyond the immediate desires of the electorate. The leaders would then have an opportunity to explain tot he electorate the reasons for the actions in an effort to turn opinion around. If they fail, they are voted out. That is our system. Obviously a leader should be aware of public opinion but his actions should not be controlled by it. Opinion is fickle, subject to change, and often based on inaccurate information. There's a difference between governing with the will of the people and based on opinion polls.

 

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  posted on 9/2/2007 at 10:02 AM
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We know where our major areas of disagreement are. But we should be able to agree on this. Our system is set up so that our elected leaders are not subject to instant recall or the collapse of their government if they do something unpopular. The framers were smart enough to understand the need for leaders to act for the greater good beyond the immediate desires of the electorate. The leaders would then have an opportunity to explain tot he electorate the reasons for the actions in an effort to turn opinion around. If they fail, they are voted out. That is our system. Obviously a leader should be aware of public opinion but his actions should not be controlled by it. Opinion is fickle, subject to change, and often based on inaccurate information. There's a difference between governing with the will of the people and based on opinion polls.


Totally agreed. Thats why I tossed in the "within reason" comment previously. Without going into great detail the administration *should* be able to make decisions and govern without constantly being concerned with the opinon of the general public. I think this was a luxury back then, but not so much now. Then again, this administration simply does what it wants regardless of the circumstances. The only time they care about the people is when they are shopping for votes and thats to be said for both parties. Your comment about opinon being fickle, subject to change and often based on innacurate information is right on the mark. On the same token though, much of what this administration has done in these two terms has been flip flopping and based on innacurate information (see Iraq). It would just be nice if we (as a nation) could be thought of on a more regular basis when it comes to decisons that affect us. I see how listening to polls can be bad and good, but I guess its how its applied.

 

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  posted on 9/2/2007 at 10:19 PM
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It is quite amusing that Google doesn't have much on this particular quote, as it is so well known. Their ideology is showing.

Snort. You don't actually know how Google works, do you?

Fact. Google censors their search engine.
Fact. Google only contributes to Democrats.
I understand how Google works. Sounds like someone else is quite naive to how Google 'works'.

Snort indeed.

 

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  posted on 9/2/2007 at 10:39 PM
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Give me a break. She's a Senator who wants to be President and with an excellent chance.


Excellent chance? Not even. (my opinion) I think if she gets the nomination we will have another Republican in office.


Concur bro. From Mass liberals to Hil the dems can't figure out that they need to run someone who's electable. As my favorite comedian Lewis Black said, John Kerry losing to Bush was like a regular person losing the Special Olympics, and we're going there again.

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  posted on 9/3/2007 at 09:10 AM
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Give me a break. She's a Senator who wants to be President and with an excellent chance.


Excellent chance? Not even. (my opinion) I think if she gets the nomination we will have another Republican in office.


Concur bro. From Mass liberals to Hil the dems can't figure out that they need to run someone who's electable. As my favorite comedian Lewis Black said, John Kerry losing to Bush was like a regular person losing the Special Olympics, and we're going there again.

Greg


Why do you think these people are not electable?

 

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  posted on 9/3/2007 at 09:39 AM
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Fact. Google censors their search engine.


From what?

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Fact. Google only contributes to Democrats.


Why does this matter?

Since when did information have a bias?

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  posted on 9/4/2007 at 03:39 PM
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Fact. Google censors their search engine.

Are you talking about what they do in China? Unless you're searching from China, or are trying to say that Hillary is getting them to cover up this quote, I don't see a connection here.
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Fact. Google only contributes to Democrats.

Who is "Google?" You mean the CEOs of the company? That may very well be true, but I don't see the issue.
Anyway, two plus apple equals banana.
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I understand how Google works.

So you can prove they are manipulating the algorithm that does their searches to bury this one quote? Please explain how. I'm not that well-versed in these things, but I'm sure you can dumb it down a little for me.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2007 at 03:52 PM
I searched for the quote and found it right away. What conspiracy?

 

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  posted on 9/4/2007 at 04:06 PM
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I searched for the quote and found it right away. What conspiracy?

It doesn't get enough hits for his liking (18,200, by my count). It's very well known, which is why Google had to cover it up. There's no other reason people might have overlooked a 15-year-old comment of indeterminate origin.

 

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