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  posted on 8/30/2007 at 05:34 AM
Open the First Lady files
Hillary Clinton should help the National Archives put release of her White House papers on a fast track.

August 29, 2007

In asking a federal court to force the National Archives to release papers from Hillary Rodham Clinton's time as first lady, the public interest group Judicial Watch has opened itself to the charge that it's on a fishing expedition. Maybe so, but the group is fishing with a license -- the Freedom of Information Act.

That law allows citizens to inspect public documents after deletions are made for privilege or national security. Judicial Watch, a conservative group that nevertheless tried to pry loose the records of Vice President Dick Cheney's energy task force, says the National Archives has stymied its attempt to get hold of the former first lady's calendars, appointment logs and memos.

A spokeswoman for the National Archives pleaded that, given limited personnel, the agency probably wouldn't be able to screen and release the papers until after next year's presidential election. You don't have to be a Hillary hater to find that unacceptable.

Clinton herself portrays her time in the White House as an important part of her resume, and her campaign website -- under the heading of "first lady" -- cites not just her failed healthcare initiative but successful efforts to benefit children, breast cancer patients and veterans. Her involvement in such activities should be evident in the policy documents that her husband has asked the archives to release first. But the schedules and other papers sought by Judicial Watch also could shed light on her role in what she would like to think of as the first Clinton administration.

The archives could decide that such information is of greater public interest than what the Clinton administration knew about UFOs or the name of the pastry chef who made a birthday cake for Chelsea. An expert quoted in The Times also suggested that, with savvier use of technology, archivists could be more responsive to FOIA requests for electronically stored information. The archives points out, however, that many of the documents in question are on paper.

However the judge rules, the famously organized Clinton campaign should do what it can to help the National Archives comply with Judicial Watch's request. What better way to say that the first-lady-turned-presidential candidate has nothing to hide?



Hope this isn't "to provocative" here in the land of sweetness and light aka The Whipping Post. Wouldn't want to get branded as a troll or some such

 

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  posted on 8/30/2007 at 06:36 AM
Oh, when will this end?

 

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  posted on 8/30/2007 at 08:05 AM
Hmmm, if its not good enough for the President of the United States, then why should a former First lady have to comply?

 

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  posted on 8/30/2007 at 02:48 PM
Mark I don't think you can be a troll on your own thread. But then, you just never know.

I think the Bush/Cheney papers should have first priority. But the records should be open for everybody. As a retired govt. employee in the Sunshine State, we had to follow the "Sunshine Law" giving access to all government records. We had to spend so much time accumulating these records for the newspapers fishing expedition. Computer reports were not enough, they wanted the originals to look at.

I'm not too worried about the LA Times joining the right wing. They are just publishing the news. I don't see the article as biased. But that's just me. We'll have the LA Times back on the dangerous left pronto.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2007 at 03:09 PM
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Hmmm, if its not good enough for the President of the United States, then why should a former First lady have to comply?

They should both have to comply, and nobody in the thread has suggested otherwise. Come on, man- don't blame Bush for everything. Yes, he's hiding his own records, and his father's too, and so is Cheney. But Hillary is pretty clearly keeping hers secret so they can't hurt her before next November and that's not in anybody's best interest except hers.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2007 at 03:15 PM
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I'm not too worried about the LA Times joining the right wing. They are just publishing the news.

Well, strictly speaking, they're not. It's an editorial. But this has been in the news for a while.

 

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Hmmm, if its not good enough for the President of the United States, then why should a former First lady have to comply?

They should both have to comply, and nobody in the thread has suggested otherwise. Come on, man- don't blame Bush for everything. Yes, he's hiding his own records, and his father's too, and so is Cheney. But Hillary is pretty clearly keeping hers secret so they can't hurt her before next November and that's not in anybody's best interest except hers.


My point was that its a bigger issue if the POTUS is hiding something rather than a Senator. I have no doubts both are witholding information that could be damaging to them. Ive just never liked double standards and I see this as a huge one.

 

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My point was that its a bigger issue if the POTUS is hiding something rather than a Senator.

It's the same issue.
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I have no doubts both are witholding information that could be damaging to them. Ive just never liked double standards and I see this as a huge one.

I don't see any evidence there's a double standard here. If they've said in the past that Bush's disclosures aren't important, yes, that'd be a double standard.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2007 at 08:52 PM
"Mark I don't think you can be a troll on your own thread. But then, you just never know" ruthelane, unfortunately we have arrived at the sorry state where a man can be considered a troll on his own thread. The resident raving lunatic of Troll Police has said as much and the rest of us just have to accept that. You know, loss of civil liberties in Fascist Amerikkka etc. Maybe someday we will live in a world where a man won't be a troll in his own thread. I have a dream.........

 

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  posted on 8/30/2007 at 08:57 PM
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"We are the President!"

 

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Did anyone get upset when some of shrub's arrest records suddenly disappeared? If we've been trying to get records out of the white house for so long when it's obviously in shrubs best interest both before and after the last election, what's the big deal if it takes a while for HClinton to get them out? As for waiting until after the election...maybe she just learned how to get away with it from Bush.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2007 at 07:28 PM
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Hmmm, if its not good enough for the President of the United States, then why should a former First lady have to comply?

They should both have to comply, and nobody in the thread has suggested otherwise. Come on, man- don't blame Bush for everything. Yes, he's hiding his own records, and his father's too, and so is Cheney. But Hillary is pretty clearly keeping hers secret so they can't hurt her before next November and that's not in anybody's best interest except hers.


My point was that its a bigger issue if the POTUS is hiding something rather than a Senator. I have no doubts both are witholding information that could be damaging to them. Ive just never liked double standards and I see this as a huge one.


Give me a break. She's a Senator who wants to be President and with an excellent chance.

 

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Did anyone get upset when some of shrub's arrest records suddenly disappeared? If we've been trying to get records out of the white house for so long when it's obviously in shrubs best interest both before and after the last election, what's the big deal if it takes a while for HClinton to get them out? As for waiting until after the election...maybe she just learned how to get away with it from Bush.


Yup. Before "Shrub" life was sweet and the nation was a veritable Eden of goodness and justice. Since Bush? All evil in the world is to be laid at his footsteps.

 

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Thank heaven the evil is finally at his doorstep....I was beginning to think it would never leave Clinton or Carter's!!!

 

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Thank heaven the evil is finally at his doorstep.... I was beginning to think it would never leave Clinton or Carter's!!!


Where it clearly belongs.

 

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"We are the President!"


Na, he's the decider. We are the subjects.

 

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Give me a break. She's a Senator who wants to be President and with an excellent chance.


Excellent chance? Not even. (my opinion) I think if she gets the nomination we will have another Republican in office.

 

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Yup. Before "Shrub" life was sweet and the nation was a veritable Eden of goodness and justice. Since Bush? All evil in the world is to be laid at his footsteps.


Cmon Doug, even you have to admit things were better under Clinton than they are under Bush.

 

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Cmon Doug, even you have to admit things were better under Clinton than they are under Bush.


Actually I don't. It's my firm belief (and I voted for him twice and supported him right to the end) that his obsession with polls and popularity led to a "kick the can" policy in which no problems were seriously dealt with and all were just pushed ahead to another day. If Gore became president, we would have been attacked on 9/11. The problem, while not create by Clinton, was not dealt with at all. This is not the only area where he fell short. I find him to be a terrific mediocrity and believe history will judge him that way. I will not even mention the fact that he is an obvious creep as I don't find that totally relevant. As bad as things may be now, I never want to go back to a presidency where I perceive the President is more interested in his/her poll numbers than at least trying to do the right thing.

And that said, it still does not mean all evil flowing in the world originated with Bush. Many of his political opponents seem to believe this.

 

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Excellent chance? Not even. (my opinion) I think if she gets the nomination we will have another Republican in office.


Maybe so maybe not. But she has still has an excellent chance compared to most of the candidates and most Senators since she is leading the Democratic pack by a wide margin.

 

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"We are the President!"


Na, he's the decider. We are the subjects.


The quote was from Hillary Clinton upon her husbands Inauguration.

 

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Actually I don't. It's my firm belief (and I voted for him twice and supported him right to the end) that his obsession with polls and popularity led to a "kick the can" policy in which no problems were seriously dealt with and all were just pushed ahead to another day.


That might be true to a degree... I personally didnt have a problem with his following the polls. The President should listen to the people..we dont elect them to implement their own personal agendas but to enact the will of the people. Same thing with Congress/House.

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If Gore became president, we would have been attacked on 9/11.


Pure speculation although I think the wheels were in motion long before Bush took office, BUT he ignored specific warnings months before 9/11. They simply didnt give them their due attention IMO.

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The problem, while not create by Clinton, was not dealt with at all. This is not the only area where he fell short.


And on the contrary, I think the actions taken by Bush have not only done nothing to make us safer, but in fact have made us less safe. This view is also supported by the majority of intelligence agencies. I see failure from both admininstrations.

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I find him to be a terrific mediocrity and believe history will judge him that way. I will not even mention the fact that he is an obvious creep as I don't find that totally relevant. As bad as things may be now, I never want to go back to a presidency where I perceive the President is more interested in his/her poll numbers than at least trying to do the right thing.


I see following the will of the people as much as you can to be the "right thing" (within reason of course). Im personally sick of the King George routine.

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And that said, it still does not mean all evil flowing in the world originated with Bush. Many of his political opponents seem to believe this.


Youre right of course, but I see quite a bit of the problems we are facing right now as a direct result of actions/inactions by this administration.

 

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"We are the President!"


Na, he's the decider. We are the subjects.


The quote was from Hillary Clinton upon her husbands Inauguration.


You sure? I thought it was supposed to have been said when the issue of Whitewater and seizing of documents came up. (note: Its current speculation as to whether this is actually a quote from her or not). Wouldnt surprise me though...

 

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"We are the President!"


Na, he's the decider. We are the subjects.


The quote was from Hillary Clinton upon her husbands Inauguration.


You sure? I thought it was supposed to have been said when the issue of Whitewater and seizing of documents came up. (note: Its current speculation as to whether this is actually a .quote from her or not). Wouldnt surprise me though...


You may be correct. Her quote was "I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president." Sounds like something from the Whitewater scandal.

It is quite amusing that Google doesn't have much on this particular quote, as it is so well known. Their ideology is showing.

It's probably from a quote in James Stewart's book 'Blood Sport' where he notes, "We're cooperating fully,we're not claiming any privileges, it's enough. We're the president."

Smells like Executive Privilege to me....

 

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You may be correct. Her quote was "I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president." Sounds like something from the Whitewater scandal.


Yeah, I saw a discussion at Snopes and that seems to be the general consensus on the matter. Nobody seems to know for sure.

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It is quite amusing that Google doesn't have much on this particular quote, as it is so well known. Their ideology is showing.


Or maybe there isnt anything to the quote? Its not like she hasnt had shiat made up about her before. Bill too.

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It's probably from a quote in James Stewart's book 'Blood Sport' where he notes, "We're cooperating fully,we're not claiming any privileges, it's enough. We're the president."

Smells like Executive Privilege to me....



Good enough for Bush.

 

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