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  posted on 2/22/2005 at 08:20 AM
I emailed David Hinckley of the NY Daily News about his King Curtis article, Nov 2004, and he reported the following:

"As a matter of fact, thanks to our trusty archives, I have that answer.

Juan Montanez was charged with second-degree murder and went on trial in
February 1972. A few days into the trial he took a plea for
second-degree manslaughter and on March 1, 1972, was sentenced to seven
years.

He served until Dec. 5, 1977, which was the maximum he could have done
allowing for good behavior.

He was released and he hasn't popped up in the news since then. While he
was in prison, he learned the trade of lens grinding, so who knows,
maybe today he's making bifocals somewhere.

David Hinckley"

One imagines he has not fallen into any serious legal troubles, but one can also suspect that KC fans might not have any admiratiion, either.


By the way, wasn't another David Hinckley a fan of Jodi Foster?

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  posted on 2/22/2005 at 08:26 AM
NICE JOB CARLOS !

 

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  posted on 2/22/2005 at 08:26 AM
I think you're thinking of JOHN Hinckley.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2005 at 08:36 AM
Yes, my brain farted there on Hinckley

By the way, where is KC buried and do fans trash the site as well?

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  posted on 2/22/2005 at 08:44 AM
Great job Carlos

Thank you for sharing the info with all of us.

I think I am going to play Soul Serenade this morning.

RIP King Curtis


 

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  posted on 2/22/2005 at 02:30 PM
Congratulations, Carlos! This question has sure been on your mind for some time, and it's cool you got an anwer. I only hope you're not going to use this information to hunt down Mr. Montanez! Not that you'd do anything vengeful to him, but he's probably not the kind of guy who'd feel like talking about things.

Peter "Deputy Dogged Researcher" Nelson

http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/m/montanez/index.html

[Edited because it said, "he's probably not be the kind of guy." ]

[Edited on 2005.2.23 by PeterNelson]

 

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  posted on 2/22/2005 at 02:58 PM
hey, cool! i'm impressed!

 

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  posted on 2/22/2005 at 03:52 PM
Hey Peter

One wonders, comparitively, if the argument that all lives are the same, how one compares a King Curtis to Juan Montanez. Are their contributions considered equal? Did Montanez eventually create more than he took......

no, Peter, I am not going to hunt him down, but one wonders about how he might have reconciled himself to live after release from prison.

I also wonder at the nature of such things--Is Mark Chapman a worse individual for having murdered John Lennon, as opposed to the "murder" of King Curtis?

If mental "defect" is a justification in mitigation, then all lives are not equal, so to speak.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2005 at 04:52 PM
GOOD WORK carlos "Colombo' ofcoronado !,
I'm glad to hear that some kind of legal justice was served and that , if the guy was rehabilitated, then some universal justice as well.
The associate of King Curtis whose interview I read obviously was not as good a fact-finder as you.
One thing I am sure of though I saw photos in BOSS magazine of a neat, well kept gravesite ( can't remember where he is buried -but I most likely have the mag. stored somewhere .) KC's fans were not like Jim Morrison's and his headstone and surroundings were pristine.
If I can find the mag. I'll post the pic.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2005 at 09:02 PM
King Curtis is buried at PineLawn memorial Park, NY. Nearby lie Coltrane and 'Count' Basie. Some cool jazz must be playin' there!

[Edited on 2/23/2005 by TanDan]

 

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  posted on 2/22/2005 at 11:03 PM
Way to go, Carlos! As Peter mentioned, this has been on your mind for quite some time. The internet is a wonderful thing!


RIP Curtis Ousley

 

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  posted on 2/23/2005 at 02:38 AM
Hi, Carlos!
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Hey Peter

One wonders, comparitively, if the argument that all lives are the same, how one compares a King Curtis to Juan Montanez. Are their contributions considered equal? Did Montanez eventually create more than he took......
I wouldn't say that "all lives are the same," if by that you mean of equal merit, or that one person's lifelong "contributions" are no better and no worse than the next person's. All human lives have intrinsic value, but different people have different potentials from the get-go, and they succeed or fail to realize their potentials to a range of degrees, by various measures.

You seem to be speaking more of this latter point, which is in the realm of a final judgment, which would determine a place in eternity. Not all lives will make the cut at the harvest: There's wheat, and then there are tares.

Still, it's impossible for us to know right now the ultimate fate of another living person, even a onetime murderer such as Juan Montanez. He probably hasn't made positive contributions to the world that are as widespread as King Curtis's, that have obviously benefited so many people. Nevertheless, he has perhaps made the most of his life post-1971 and will be deemed worthy--due to the faith he arrived at by the time he died, and his acceptance of forgiveness--of being welcomed into the Kingdom of God. Of all people: King Curtis's murderer! We don't know; it could be.
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no, Peter, I am not going to hunt him down, but one wonders about how he might have reconciled himself to live after release from prison.

I also wonder at the nature of such things--Is Mark Chapman a worse individual for having murdered John Lennon, as opposed to the "murder" of King Curtis?
That is, The loss of which musician deprived the world of more benefit? John was of course way more well known, and more people grieved over his death, but that's not to say that King Curtis didn't have "contributions" yet in him that could have been of more "value" than John's, assuming each of them had lived to die natural deaths. Even if John's contributions would have touched more lives, could King Curtis's contributions have touched lives more deeply and therefore have been of greater total value? Impossible to say.

To go back to your question in the first quote above: It's impossible for us to say whether Montanez's positive contributions post-1971 would in the end outweigh the destruction of King Curtis's "remaining" contributions. Even if they don't, his justification before God, again, doesn't depend on paying back for his misdeeds. The concept is that everybody sins and wreaks havoc on others and offends God to various degrees, and no one really can ever do enough "good works" to earn a spot in heaven. Fortunately, there is forgiveness.
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If mental "defect" is a justification in mitigation, then all lives are not equal, so to speak.
"All men are created equal" doesn't mean that all people have equal gifts and capabilities; there are differences from the time one takes up residence in utero. The gifts are warped, squelched, or developed into talents and skills due to incalculable influence from family and many other factors. It's a sticky wicket trying to determine where to draw the line when saying that a mental defect or emotional disability or some nebulous short-term psychological twist should be taken into account when determining an individual's responsibility for actions.

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  posted on 2/23/2005 at 10:51 AM
Hey all, including Mr Pel-Code

Anyone been to Pine Lawn? It sounds kind of peaceful

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  posted on 2/23/2005 at 11:09 AM
Pine Lawn out on Long Island? I always thought it was a veterans cemetary, I could be wrong though? Unless there is another Pinelawn? Pinelawn on Long Island is quite nice though, i used to drive by it everyday on my way to work.
 

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  posted on 2/26/2005 at 04:24 PM
Pinelawn; near Farmingdale. Stop in and say hello King Curtis.

 

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