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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 04:43 AM
a couple of days ago i bought the dvd live acoustic with csn from nov 91..anyone here who have it??its just amazing..the harmonies this guys sing is beyond magic..
and the guitar opening in guiniverre is so beautiful..the only harmonies i think are coming close to david crosby and the guys are the grateful dead on the american beauty album..anyone heard the live version on candyman on the remasterd amercian beauty from the box set??its berathtaking

 

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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 05:40 AM
American Beauty is one of the only times you will hear the Dead hitting nice harmonies. They are self-admittedly weak in the vocal dept. No one can touch CSN. Personally, I think Yes & Queen do a better job vocally than the Dead, even though I am not crazy about their music. The Dead and CSN are about tied in their musical abilities. Crosby and Stills especially are masters of the acoustic guitar. And Stills held his own with Hendrix, Mike Bloomfield, Stewart Copeland, Clapton, etc. on electric. Unfortunately, they are still hit or miss live, possibly due to Crosby still being hit or miss on the hash pipe.
 

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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 05:54 AM
i havent heard anything live with csn since 91.wonder hwo they sounds today..yeah crosby and nash are very good on acousic guitars and stills has a very unique playing style.
i agre with you that grateful deads harmonies on american beauty is very solid,but i think they where good before and after that period too..66-69 they where off sometimes in their harmonies,but when it worked it was beautiful..annd gracia and weir i think when they are singing alone has very uniqe and good voices..if you havent heard the version of candyman live from winterland 70 on the remasterd american beaut album,pick it up..it sends shivers down my spies

 

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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 06:10 AM
I have that version of American Beauty. I'm really groovin' on Bear's Choice remaster from the The Golden Road Box Set. The extras are nice. Jerry & Bob do have some nice harmonies while acousitc on that disc. I also heard the shows that Bear's Choice came from recently, thanks to the kind folks in the Trades section, and must say that Pigpen did a great job in the acoustic sets too. The few gospel tunes at the end of those sets, where they bring out some of the guys from NRPS for added vocals are completely sweet & new territory for me!

I have seen CSNY twice. The first time , in 2000, they were completely on. But it was in a stadium and the acoustics were not so good. The second time, same- stadium, bad sound, the band was on though. I personally enjoy the acoustic sets more than the electric. But they put on all around good shows.

 

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American Beauty is one of the only times you will hear the Dead hitting nice harmonies. They are self-admittedly weak in the vocal dept. No one can touch CSN. Personally, I think Yes & Queen do a better job vocally than the Dead, even though I am not crazy about their music. The Dead and CSN are about tied in their musical abilities. Crosby and Stills especially are masters of the acoustic guitar. And Stills held his own with Hendrix, Mike Bloomfield, Stewart Copeland, Clapton, etc. on electric. Unfortunately, they are still hit or miss live, possibly due to Crosby still being hit or miss on the hash pipe.


I've seen CSN twice in the last two years. The first time, Young tagged along and dominated the show. Towards the end, it was all Neil. "Down By the River," "Cowgirl in the Sand," "Like A Hurricane," etc...

I saw them just last month, sans Neil, and though it was nice to hear Crosby and Nash stretch their legs a bit, they were not nearly as good. The problem, I thought, was Stills. He was just fried. He brought this heavy, aggressive guitar tone to every song, and missed 2/3 of the notes he tried to hit. He ended up hiding it by using massive amounts of distored noise, which is obviously not what CSN is all about. And that says nothing of hiw voice, which was pathetic. The few times he spoke to the crowd, he sounded WORSE than your average stoner. Too much cocaine fried his brain.

Crosby, for all of his struggles, sounded amazing. The control in his voice is amazing. Nash was good as well. But Stills killed it.

Oh, and NOBODY sings harmonies the way CSN does. They are the greatest rock vocal band of all time.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 09:31 AM
hey.i too notice on the dvd from SF-91 that stills not sounded like he did in the old days..from 66-ca 75 his voice was amazing..it was ok on the dvd but to thin i think..i have never seen csn but i sure would like

 

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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 10:02 AM
I'm going to see CSN in ten days. I am disappointed to hear fschiazza's account of the show he attended. Stills has been one of my favorite guitar players and singers, and I know it is not fun to come with an expectation to hear someone so good sound so bad. Perhaps it was a bad night?

Anyway...I will pass my thoughts on after I see them.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 10:16 AM
I saw CSN at Merriweather last summer.

It was great.

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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 10:22 AM
Jonesy, I would definitely see them again. For me, hearing Crosby and Nash harmonize is worth the price of admission alone.

I wasn't too fond of the set-list, though. No surprises at all. All their hits and some new songs. They only played two songs - "Dark Star" and "Southern Cross" - that were released between 1971 and 2003. Very safe and tame.

Stills was terrible, though. Absolutely terrible.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 03:24 PM
Not everyone can be "on" every night.

Seen more good shows from Steven than bad.

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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 03:39 PM
I saw them last year at the E Centre in Camden loved the show tried to get to see them this year they were in Atlantic City and Baltimore and Dover but the time was not right.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 04:00 PM
I saw them in 1991, on the same acoustic tour that is memorialised on the "acoustic" DVD - the show was much the same as the DVD, and very enjoyable at the time.

With hindsight though, Stills didn't seem to be pulling his weight as much as the other two - vocally he seemed hoarse and out of breath, and he didn't have new songs like the other two.

From what I've heard on various CSN groups so far this year, those problems persist - as with all fan sites, there's plenty of praise for what he's good at (in this case, his electric guitar playing) and optimistic comments directed towards his weaker areas ("Stephen's vocals improved after the xx song", "I think Stephen is sounding better than he was last week/month/year" etc.). It seems even those who desparately want him to be an unqualified success can't fail to avoid the weaknesses in his performances these days.

This is very sad - as our Swedish friend says, he was amazing in the late 60's/early 70's; for a spell there, songs were pouring out of him like water, and he had a voice to die for. It's been pretty well-documented though, that coke & booze are the reasons for his decline (at one point, he even apparently convinced himself that he'd fought in Vietnam - are you listening Messrs Kerry & Bush! ) ; unlike Croz, his struggles with the crackpipe never got the same kind of media exposure & I'm not sure if he's ever really got himself clean. I'm hoping I'm wrong...

 
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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 07:38 PM
I saw them for the first time last month and was very impressed.

Stills did kinda sound like crap though

 

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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 08:23 PM
Have it, and saw the tour. It was good. No, it was great. One of the last great moments, IMHO. I always thought these guys should just do what they did best-harmony voices and acoustic music. Instead of trying to go with the times & fads, like electronic drums, samples, etc, as on some of the later stuff (after Daylight Again...which actually was sort of a patchwork effort but somehow works.)
 

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I've seen CSN twice in the last two years. The first time, Young tagged along and dominated the show. Towards the end, it was all Neil. "Down By the River," "Cowgirl in the Sand," "Like A Hurricane," etc...

I saw them just last month, sans Neil, and though it was nice to hear Crosby and Nash stretch their legs a bit, they were not nearly as good. The problem, I thought, was Stills. He was just fried. He brought this heavy, aggressive guitar tone to every song, and missed 2/3 of the notes he tried to hit. He ended up hiding it by using massive amounts of distored noise, which is obviously not what CSN is all about. And that says nothing of hiw voice, which was pathetic. The few times he spoke to the crowd, he sounded WORSE than your average stoner. Too much cocaine fried his brain.

Crosby, for all of his struggles, sounded amazing. The control in his voice is amazing. Nash was good as well. But Stills killed it.

Oh, and NOBODY sings harmonies the way CSN does. They are the greatest rock vocal band of all time.






I will buy that.

I think the current Crosby-Nash is far better than the last few CSN AND CSNY releases. Really.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 08:40 PM
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I'm not sure about that-I think it is an ear problem/or something with the teeth (notice, they're not the same as from the 70's. But I did read somewhere that he's lost some hearing

 

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  posted on 8/31/2004 at 08:53 PM
Yessir...got some love goin' on this one...

I really always loved the Crosby/Nash collaborations. They are just so perfect to harmonize off each other and have that deep brotherhood after all the years. They so much LOVE to sing together. As somebody mentioned here, Cros has so much voice control. I think it was Jackson Browne talking one time about how Crosby is such a great vocalist because he can harmonize with so many people and you know he's there but he doesn't stand out because he is so able to blend that voice. Cros doing "I'd Swear There Was Somebody Here" on his frist solo album "If Only I Could Remember My Name" still amazes me to this day, just David singing tracks by himself in the studio. He has an off day once in while I know, but I have heard some great performances from Cros over the last few years. So glad David is still with us. He's done some really nice stuff with CPR, he meshes well with his son and Jeff Pevar. Pevar by the way, is a highly underated guitarist IMHO.

Stills voice has definitely taken a turn for the worse, man does he sound GRUFF.

CSNY, individually and colaboratively, have wrote such an incredible catalogue of songs. Damn, that is a lot of songs if you think about it...

 

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  posted on 9/1/2004 at 05:59 AM
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Crosby is such a great vocalist because he can harmonize with so many people and you know he's there but he doesn't stand out because he is so able to blend that voice. Cros doing "I'd Swear There Was Somebody Here" on his frist solo album "If Only I Could Remember My Name" still amazes me to this day, just David singing tracks by himself in the studio. He has an off day once in while I know, but I have heard some great performances from Cros over the last few years.


Saw Crosby not too long ago, and even after all he's been through he STILL has the voice.

 

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  posted on 9/1/2004 at 06:06 AM
It is a shame that Stills sounds bad so often. His strain of their music is so awesome. It's hard for me to choose Crosby or Stills as the better songwriter and guitarist. They are both so good, yet so distinct in their own way. I don't care for Graham Nash's solo stuff at all though. He is a great harmonist vocally though and gives that three-part harmony it's sonic quality. If no one has it yet, I strongly recommend the Grateful Dead Records release of Crosby/Nash- Another Stony Evening. It is almost everything I love about them. Just no Stills. Now if they will only come out with an all acoustic archive album of CSN live. Man that would be dynamite.
 

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  posted on 9/1/2004 at 06:09 AM
Been a fan since back in the day.
I have seen them 4 times.
Great harmony and great sets.
Last time I saw the sound was not as good as the 70's.

Wind on the Water is one of my Fav's.

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  posted on 9/1/2004 at 07:36 AM
I saw CSN about two weeks ago and I have to agree with Stills' voice being hoarse and raw. Crosby and Nash have a new album and they handed out bumper stickers and campaign buttons (?) -- see more of this at http://www.crosbynash.com/. A lot of the tunes were from their new 2cd set. I don't think they played "Suite Judy Blue Eyes" but they ended up as usual with "Wooden Ships" "Woodstock" and "Teach Your Children."
Not many surprises there.

 
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  posted on 9/1/2004 at 08:57 AM
David Crosby Fans should check out CPR. amazing vocals on that also.

There are some live shows available for download at
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  posted on 9/1/2004 at 04:15 PM
What John said.

 

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  posted on 9/1/2004 at 10:19 PM
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I always thought these guys should just do what they did best-harmony voices and acoustic music.


Amen, Rust. That's when they're best. I don't think they "rock" nearly enough without Young in the band.

Three stools. Three acoustic guitars. Three microphones. That's how CSN is best.

 

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  posted on 9/1/2004 at 11:35 PM
This should be a shocker to some-I saw Crosby in an interview oh say 10 years ago and guess who he said taught CSN to harmonize in the late 60s?The Grateful Dead.That was when Phil could still hit the high notes.I saw CSN once in '94 and they smoked,I remember being completly FLOORED by how great an electric guitarist Stills was and how heavy he could get on it.The sdad truth is none of them can sing like they used to,but I guess that goes without saying
 
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