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  posted on 6/23/2004 at 08:20 PM
Has anybody else heard about this show? I just got my tickets today and I'm really excited. Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock, Dave Holland, and some guy Blade (I think Lucinda Williams' drummer) playing jazz at Carnegie Hall. I can't imagine anything better. Some of the greatest musicians of all time in one room jamming. I'm interested to hear the kind of interplay that will result.
 
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  posted on 6/23/2004 at 08:50 PM
EXCELLENT! My kind of stuff...that should be a hell of a night of music with some of the best ever...have fun! Dave Holland is one of faves!
 
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  posted on 6/23/2004 at 09:24 PM
Just wanted to clear something up. Brian Blade is much more than Lucinda WIlliams' drummer. He has been Wayne Shorter's drummer in his quartet for the last few years- and toured with Herbie when he and Michael Brecker and Roy Hargrove did the tribute tour with music from Miles and Coltrane that resulted in the grammy winning album Directions in Music. Beyond these two direct connections, Blade is one of the most in demand jazz drummers in the world. He has worked with Holland before, Chris Potter, Sonny Rollins, Greg Osby, Kenny Garrett- and many many more. I have seen him with Wayne Shorter's quartet twice and man the guy is intense. He is a lot like Miles' old drummer Tony Williams in the sense that he dictates where the improvisations go a lot of the time. He is both a powerful and delicate drummer. One of the best out there right now. On another note, if you are not aware, check out Dave Holland's Quintet, they have 2 studio albums and a live record out right now from Birdland that is one of the best live albums I have ever heard, regardless of genre. His saxophonist is named Chris Potter and behind Shorter, Sonny Rollins, and maybe Michael Brecker, is next in line, in my opinion, with living tenor sax players. That band smokes on all levels. Wish I could check this show out on their tour- but there is nowhere for jazz musicians to play down south- or at least very few. They won't be coming close enough for me to see them.
 

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  posted on 6/24/2004 at 01:36 AM
Wow, sounds great. Definitely give us a full report on that gig. I need some more jazz in my life, although I did see the Afro Latin Jazz Orchestra in concert not long ago .

A little piece of music history, Dave Holland has played on a ton of albums, and one of my favorite collaborations is when he played with John hartford on Hartford's album Morning Bugle back in 1972.

Also, in 1984, John and Dave played with Vassar on the album, Vassar Clements, John Hartford, Dave Holland.

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  posted on 6/24/2004 at 10:32 AM
dmiller, actually the only thing better than that quartet was when they played in Chicago and they had Elvin Hayes ( R.I.P. ) on drums instead...and I missed the show...totally bummed...but that show is gonna smoke. You're in for a treat if you can make it!

dancinpharoah, DHQ actually put out three albums in addition to Birdland with what many consider their greatest lineup ( Kilson, Nelson, Potter, Eubanks, and Dave ). They also put out a big band album which totally kicks arse. Think of DHQ, but add about seven more instruments. So colorful...

You guys have good taste!

 

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  posted on 6/24/2004 at 02:26 PM
Yeah I have the Dave Holland Big Band record, What Goes Around, and it is spectacular. I know the Quintet has 3 albums besides Birdland, but only the last two of them have the lineup that is on Birdland, which has become his standard touring and recording quintet.

Oh, and just a easy mistake- Shorter, Holland, and Herbie toured with the recently deceased jazz drummer extraordinaire, Elvin JONES not the basketball great, Elvin Hayes. HA HA. Thats funny. Brian Blade actually does have a similar style as Jones, in the sense that he is really commanding- he doesn't just accent a piece, but he leads it in much the way that Oteil can lead a particular jam- he can really influence where an improvisation goes just like Oteil does. Should be a great show.

 

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  posted on 6/24/2004 at 03:18 PM
DMiller, yes, Brian Blades is a terrific drummer. He was the best part of the Wayne Shorter Quartet I saw last Labor Day time at the Chicago Jazz Fest. You had Danilo Perez on piano then, not Herbie, and John Patitucci on bass, not Dave. Danilo was very good, of course, but he was waiting for Wayne to lead into things, which he never seemed to do. There was a vagueness or lack of drive (not just atmospherics or anything so positive) to Wayne standing at centerstage that set. John was mostly supporting Wayne and Danilo, of course.

Brian would be assessing the situation from moment to moment, and often when the music was getting stagnant and no one else was stepping up, he would kick things into another place. He can be very aggressive, and he's interesting to watch--both his chops and his face. (I wrote this before reading Dancing Pharoah's last post, and we agree. We also agree that Elvin Hayes had some great basketball chops! )

Here's a review of the Shorter-Perez-Patitucci-Blades quartet recently at Carnegie Hall. Note the multiple mentions of the Chicago Jazz Fest appearance, which the reviewer regards as not anything as satisfying as the recent performance:
http://www.jazzwest.com/articles/elwood/2003/elwood_072503.html

 

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  posted on 6/24/2004 at 04:14 PM
Yeah, I have actually seen Shorter's quartet with Perez, Pattitucci and Blade, twice. Once in Savannah and once in Atlanta and both the shows were extremely interactive and Wayne played marvelously. He is 70 and at times he can be a little sparse- but then again he always talks about how as the years have gone on, he has tried harder and harder to only play the essential notes so he can leave out all the unnecessary ones. To me, his quarter sounds like the second great quintet Miles had in the mid to late 60's with Shorter on tenor, Ron Carter on bass, Herbie on piano, and Tony Williams on drums. They all listen to each other and there is a lot of interaction and conversation going on. A lot of call and response. But Blade, like Williams was in Miles' band, is the catalyst. He is the one that makes that band go.
 

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  posted on 6/24/2004 at 04:20 PM
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Elvin JONES not the basketball great, Elvin Hayes. HA HA. Thats funny.


Even though Elvin Hayes was quite player, he wasn;t quite the player Mr. Jones was

Very lame of me to mix those two up. It must be those endless nights of flipping back and forth between BET Jazz channel and Classic Sports Channel...

 

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  posted on 6/24/2004 at 04:25 PM
Hey those two names are easy to mix up- besides there are so many of those kinds of names between the two sports. Louis Hayes was a great jazz drummer that did lots of fantastic work with Cannonball Adderley in the early 60's- but I agree with you, Elvin Hayes didn't quite do it for me like Elvin Jones did. Man that cat could go. He and Ray Charles, gone within a month. Sad stuff.
 

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  posted on 6/27/2004 at 11:38 AM
This show was amazing! I have never seen musicians that have such complete and total command of their respective instruments. They're really just so good that they can, instead of "soloing" or anything like that, just play what they feel. You want to talk about playing softly with intensity, you should go see these guys. Even Butch and the band could learn something from them. Wayne Shorter played more as the show went on, initially he played very little. They played Footprints, which was great. That was the only song I recognized, but I'm not very knowledgeable about their stuff. Brian Blade was absolutely unbelievable on drums. And what's more, Carnegie Hall is a hell of a place to see a show. The accoustics were as close to perfect as you can get, and I was about 4 rows from the back. And the spectacle of the Isaac Stern Auditorium was just great. If you get a chance, see any and all of these guys. They still got it.
 

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  posted on 6/27/2004 at 12:22 PM
Thanks for the Review.

It's been a while since I've seen Herbie. I guess it was the last tour with
the Headhunters. This was at RFK at the Tibetian Freedom Concert. some
girl on a cell phone got struck by a freak bolt of lightning at the end of the Headhunters set.

I'll be seeing Brian's Brother: Brady, later this summer with Emmylou Harris.
He's been playing drums/vocals with Spyboy for the past few years.
I saw Brian with Joni Mitchell a long time ago.

As far as the ABB learning from these guys, Several band members list the
Miles Davis Quintet with Wayne and Herbie as an influence. I heard Warren,
Oteil and Derek all mention that band, And I'm sure the others are aware.
Wayne wrote a lot of great tunes for that band.
It's my favorite Miles group, but more for Tony Williams than Wayne or Herbie.
I gotta believe Butch is into Tony Williams with that line-up.

DTB have covered Wayne's compositions.

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  posted on 6/27/2004 at 01:23 PM
Wayne's present quartet remind me a lot of the 2nd Miles quintet, because of all the interaction and because of how intensely they are all listening to each other. Its remarkable. Yeah the DTB have recorded "Footprints" from Wayne's 1966 album Adams Apple, "Oriental Folk Song" from his 1964 record Night Dreamer, and currently from the new live show, "Angola" from the 1965 record The Soothsayer. Wayne did a funky, latinized version of "Angola" on his latest studio record Alegria. All of the previous records mentioned are on Blue Note and I highly recommend all of Wayne's Blue Note records. Alegria is on Verve.
 

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  posted on 6/28/2004 at 11:39 AM
There was a review of this show in today's New York Times. The reviewer was very complementary and he seemed to really enjoy the show. He mentioned that it was a really spacey, exploratory evening, which sounds right up my alley.

He also mentioned that it was Wayne and Blade who were doing most of the driving of the music's direction, suggesting that this was so b/c they play together in Wayne's quartet. It's hard to imagine Herbie and Dave not taking the reigns a little, but they're the ultimate professionals, so I guess it makes sense.

Anyone notice this at the show? Is this reviewer right on or off base?

 

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Elvin JONES not the basketball great, Elvin Hayes. HA HA. Thats funny.


Even though Elvin Hayes was quite player, he wasn;t quite the player Mr. Jones was

Very lame of me to mix those two up. It must be those endless nights of flipping back and forth between BET Jazz channel and Classic Sports Channel...


Elvin Jones never developed his turn arround fade-away jump shot
like the Big E!

But I think hands are quicker than even Earl the Pearl!

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There was a review of this show in today's New York Times. The reviewer was very complementary and he seemed to really enjoy the show. He mentioned that it was a really spacey, exploratory evening, which sounds right up my alley.

He also mentioned that it was Wayne and Blade who were doing most of the driving of the music's direction, suggesting that this was so b/c they play together in Wayne's quartet. It's hard to imagine Herbie and Dave not taking the reigns a little, but they're the ultimate professionals, so I guess it makes sense.

Anyone notice this at the show? Is this reviewer right on or off base?
Islala, I have this article in another window as I read your post. Here are excerpts (and sorry the picture's so wide, but it's cool!):

JVC JAZZ FESTIVAL REVIEW
Lineup of Legendary Names in a Nascent Quartet
By BEN RATLIFF
Published: June 28, 2004

A new quartet of Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, Dave Holland, and Brian Blade played at Carnegie Hall on Friday. As a measure of how strongly the serious jazz audience feels about this turn of events, Bill Cosby came out before them and simply said their names, to a general roaring. When they finished, the audience responded with a standing ovation that was longer and more vociferous than any other I experienced this year at the JVC Jazz Festival.

What happened in between? Older compositions, sometimes played unrecognizably. A lot of free, open playing. A strong dollop of each player's individual trademarked sound. (Just convened this summer, the group is still not more than the sum of its parts.) Some juicy, poetic satori and some spacey grandiosity. . . .



New arrangements: Herbie Hancock, far left, Wayne Shorter, Dave Holland, and Brian Blade in their new quartet, playing at Carnegie Hall during the JVC Jazz Festival. ( Richard Termine for the New York Times)

While the crowd might have been oriented around herbieandwayne, the quartet seemed oriented around Mr. Shorter and Mr. Blade. It was their interaction pushing each other with short, rhythmic gestures that drew Mr. Shorter out of silence and into brusque engagement on tenor saxophone that produced the biggest rise in energy.

And though the set sounded most related to music played in the past by Mr. Hancock and Mr. Shorter, Mr. Blade seemed the binding glue. His sense of structure and dynamics and his responses to stimuli from all sides saved the music from becoming aimless and glib. He built up grooves and then destabilized them; he played featherweight sounds with brushes; at climaxes he raised his sticks, carefully picked his spot, and brought them down brutally. . . .

Full review
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/28/arts/music/28HANC.html?th

 

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  posted on 8/19/2004 at 02:15 AM
CRITIC'S NOTEBOOK
50 Years Later, Newport Swings With 'Real Jazz'
By BEN RATLIFF
Published: August 17, 2004

NEWPORT, R.I., Aug. 16 - During its early years, starting in 1954, the Newport Jazz Festival was post-beat and pre-hippie. The music was probably at its greatest high, but its reach and status in American society and the marketplace hadn't been properly gauged. The words classic, smooth, brunch, and cruise were yet to be hooked up to it. . . .

Fifty years later the Newport festival - it is now called the JVC Jazz Festival-Newport - celebrated itself from Friday to Sunday in Fort Adams State Park on Newport Harbor. It could be argued that jazz, in one form or another, has been as much accepted in social and commercial life as it ever will be; the only issues left are aesthetic ones. This year Mr. Wein decided to leach the smooth jazz and pop from the festival and present what he thinks of as "real jazz." The festival wasn't going to put on makeup anymore. . . .

The same middle-aged New England summer crowd came, as well as a lot more critics, and some younger college-radio types attuned to the Sunday night finale of Ornette Coleman and the Wayne Shorter-Herbie Hancock-Dave Holland-Brian Blade band. . . .

An ad-hoc quartet paid tribute to John Coltrane, with McCoy Tyner, Michael Brecker, Ravi Coltrane, Christian McBride, and Roy Haynes ["quartet"?]; I've seen dozens of performances trying the same thing, but few so good. . . .

the Hancock-Shorter group improved on its performance in New York earlier this summer, too. If that show contained more wild, bleeding moments, particularly from Mr. Shorter, this one had no slackness; it felt like a working band, and the way the musicians shifted around freely through vamps and pieces from their past, shoring each other up with rhythm and melody, was a lesson in group communication.

Both final groups [Shorter's and Coleman's] made music of complicated, flowing coordination, with growing and receding dynamics, as if the songs were living organisms. Jazz will continue being proud of its achievements, and rightfully so, but these wriggling performances, battling against self-consciousness, were just the right balance against the weight of history.

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  posted on 8/19/2004 at 10:10 AM
COOL!!!! ...Gotta love Jazzzzz.
 
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You said it, Eddie! Jazz rocks!

Side note you'd like, Eddie: A couple hours ago at a used record store, I picked up Mahavishnu Orchestra's Inner Mounting Flame CD. I've been listening to one of my two vinyl copies a lot the past 3 weeks or so, and last week I checked out the CD from the public library. Now I have my own CD! Awesome stuff!

 

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  posted on 9/1/2004 at 08:52 PM
I haven't read them yet, but the cover of the newest Down Beat magazine promises reviews of a Wayne Shorter group. I'm not sure, but I think this must refer to a new Shorter recording (rather than a live performance), probably Alegria, which features pianists Danilo Perez and Brad Mehldau, bassist John Patitucci, drummers Terri Lyne Carrington and Brian Blade, and percussionist Alex Acuna.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2004 at 08:25 PM
The September Down Beat features reviews of two separate live performances, unlike what I wrote earlier:
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I haven't read them yet, but the cover of the newest Down Beat magazine promises reviews of a Wayne Shorter group. I'm not sure, but I think this must refer to a new Shorter recording (rather than a live performance), . . .
"Hancock Quartet Highlights Playboy's Bewildering Beat," by Josef Woodard
This is a review of the entire 26th Annual Playboy Jazz Festival, held at the Hollywood Bowl in June. This is the quartet comprising Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, Dave Holland, and Brian Blade. Also mentioned were performances by Bela Fleck & the Flecktones, Robert Randolph & the Family Band, and others, but the Hancock Quartet got the most extensive writeup at 2 paragraphs, where we find these excerpts:

Clearly, the highlight of the day was the appearance of the new supergroup with Hancock, Shorter, Holland, and Blade. . . .
Even Hancock, an intellectual of the people, poked fun at the rude picnic vibe in the house, saying, "I wish I was out there, eating chicken and being with family, but I've got to be up here working." . . .
And what a poetry work it was. . . .
["Footprints" and "Prometheus Unbound" were mentioned in particular.]
Expect great things from this stellar aggregate.



"Shorter Strong in Extended Journey," by James Hale.
This concerned the quartet's appearance at the Ottawa International Jazz Festival (no time specified, but it was pre-Carnegie). All 7 paragraphs concerned this group--none other--and "Footprints" and "Canteloupe Island" were singled out.

 

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  posted on 9/10/2004 at 08:11 AM
The Herb looks young in that picture. Is that recent?
 

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Shorter band members winning DownBeat poll

I don't know how old that picture is, Islala--I just Googled "Hancock Shorter" or something. Based on how old they look, it could be from the '80s.

The 2004.12 Down Beat magazine, with jazz singer Jane Monheit on the cover, gives the results of the 2004 Readers' Poll. Wayne Shorter and his bandmates won or placed in a few categories:

Soprano Saxophone: Wayne Shorter
Composer: Wayne Shorter
Electric Bassist: John Patitucci came in 5th
Drums: Brian Blades 4th

For more poll results (Hall of Fame, Guitarist, and more), see the "Derek wins 2 DownBeat awards" thread (link below), where you also see how Dave Holland, who is often acoustic bassist with Wayne, really cleaned up in the poll.
http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=v iewthread&tid=18335

[Edited to close up name "DownBeat," even with second capital, and to redo that link.]

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  posted on 11/22/2004 at 01:32 AM
And with good reason too. He is really in a league of his own (I'm talking about Holland). I just recently saw him with his band, and they were really amazing and completely different than any other band I've seen. Holland has a melodic sensibility that I don't hear in any other bassist. His band is very eclectic also. Kevin Eubanks is exceedingly rhythmic on the trumpet, the saxophonist plays flurries of notes in the upper registers, the vibes guy (an eclectic instrument in itself) is a real virtuoso and plays nice rhythm and great solos. He also composed an atonal piece they played at the show I went to. And the drummer has a huge sound without (it seems) really trying, reminiscent of Elvin Jones. Definitely a band worth checking out. They don't let up.
 

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  posted on 11/22/2004 at 02:45 PM
dave Holland is great. A little known fact, he recorded two albums with John hartford, including one with Hartford and Vassar Clements, who played on Dickey's Highway Call album.



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Song Titles

Side 1

Pea Patch Jig
5:05
(Emmett, arr. Hartford)
You Can't Run Away From Your Feet
3:30
(Hartford)
Memories of Home
3:15
(Holland)
Home Cooking
4:00
(Holland)
Ten Past Eleven
4:00
(Clements)
Side 2

Scapin' Out on the Roof
3:26
(Hartford)
Till Something Better Comes Along
5:50
(Holland & Hartford)
You and the Way You Do
2:54
(Hartford)
Evening Prayer
3:55
(Hartford)
Illinois River Rag
2:39
(Hartford)

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Vassar Clements: Violin
John Hartford: Banjo, Guitar, and Vocals
Dave Holland: Bass
Mark Howard: Guitar, Mandolin

Produced by Henry Deane
Engineer: Richard Adler
Recorded at Treasure Isle, Nashville
Photography: Dennis Degnan
Design: Richard Spencer

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Released: 1984







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Song Titles

Streetcar
3:54
Nobody Eats at Linebaugh's Anymore
4:52
Howard Hughes' Blues
2:52
All Fall Down
3:11
On the Road
3:44
Morning Bugle
2:22
Old Joe Clark
5:48
My Rag
3:40
Late Last Night When My Willie Came Home
3:19
Got No Place to Go
4:18
Bye-bye
3:20

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John Hartford: Banjo, Fiddle, Guitar, Mandolin, and Vocals
Norman Blake: Guitar, Mandolin, and Dobro
Dave Holland: Bass
Produced by John Simon
Recorded at Bearsville Sound
Engineered by Mark Harman
Mastered by Toby Mountain at Northeastern Digital, Southborough, Mass.

Cover illustration by Don Punchatz
Photography by Ed Thrasher
Design by Nancy Given
Notes by John Simon


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WS-2651
Released: 1972






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