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  posted on 7/11/2019 at 05:02 PM
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Goldflies was very different than Berry Oakley and Lamar, but I must say he was an absolute monster in Great Southern, and also in some of the ABB shows I saw. I don't know what Gregg's opposition was, i can only surmise that Goldflies' style was his concern


I recall Gregg said something about Goldflies being "paid by the note" or overplaying, something along those lines. I thought Gregg threw a lot of passive aggressive shade in his book, but that's what memoirs are for.

Rook was solid, but the late 1970s was a different time for music, even Phil Lesh played some disco-inspired bass. Goldflies still plays around south Florida, and even recently teamed up with Gregg & Duane's cousin (no I am not joking) - keyboardist and singer, Gary Allman. Though I think Goldflies is since sans Gary.

Here they are in action: https://www.pbs.org/video/allman-goldflies-band-ylw9b6/

Three guesses which one is Mr. G. Allman


 

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  posted on 7/11/2019 at 07:40 PM
On the left? Yes a couple of times in interviews and in the book Gregg said Goldflies "must have thought he was being paid by the note". Meaning to Gregg he over played or played too much.

But Dickey must have liked him. Dickey was a HUGE Berry Oakley fan and tried to get later bass players to think like Oakley. Gregg said Allen Woody got tired of Dickey doing that.

 

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  posted on 7/12/2019 at 08:19 AM
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On the left? Yes a couple of times in interviews and in the book Gregg said Goldflies "must have thought he was being paid by the note". Meaning to Gregg he over played or played too much.

But Dickey must have liked him. Dickey was a HUGE Berry Oakley fan and tried to get later bass players to think like Oakley. Gregg said Allen Woody got tired of Dickey doing that.


I think that is also the reason he is a big fan of Pedro Arevalo's style

 

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  posted on 7/13/2019 at 10:51 AM
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Pops42..On Enlightened Rogues Dickey is the right stereo side and Dan is left. Dan takes the 1st lead on Pegasus and Blind Love. All the other guitar leads are Dickey’s.
Personally I can tell them apart.

I think the first solo on Can’t Take it With You is Dan. I think.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2019 at 10:53 AM
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Too bad Chuck Leavell and Lamar Williams opted to stay with Sea Level after the Brothrrs and Sisters line up played at the 1978 Capricorn picnic. Enlighten Rogues would have been a different album. According to Gregg's book Gregg didnt care for David Goldflies on bass.



I always find that lineup fascinating to listen to. I wonder why they never played Jelly Jelly live?

 

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  posted on 7/13/2019 at 02:40 PM
Jelly Jelly was the only one I never saw them play live. One Pony boy I saw was an I instrumental from that lineup. When they began writing about Brothers and Sisters in the magazines when it became the number one, best selling, album in America, Jelly Jelly was a hybrid of sorts. On that song the band got the music recorded the way they wanted it but Gregg recorded his own words and called it Early Morning Blues by Gregg Allman . I never read exactly why Gregg decided to re-record his vocals with words by Trade Martin and Billy Eckstine and took away his writing credit. A writing credit on an album that sold as many copies as Brothers and Sisters equaled a lot of money. Let me check Gregg's book.

That lineup did Lonetime Gone from Dickey's solo album but Chuck Leavell sang the first verse. I saw them do Whipping Post then straight into Mountain Jam a few times too.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2019 at 09:48 PM
"Without Betts' hit machine EAP wouldn't have happened, the ABB would not have broken through with Brothers and Sisters. Duane, not a songwriter and in high demand as a blazing talent on the ascent, would not have spent too much more time in a band on the chitlin circuit, with lesser guitar players skyrocketing all around him in the early 70s. He would almost surely have been compelled to move on to work with leading lights in the industry - possibly into production. Of course impossible to know, but interesting to speculate on. If we were placing betts I'd lay odds that "Southern Rock" never would have happened. "


You're saying that without a single song,ramblin man you'd lay odds "rock rock" wouldn't have happened?
I gotta disagree. Lotta music was brewing, all the southern rock gitar players were aware of Duane.

A more interesting question is what the ABB might have done in a post Dickey, still Duane universe. I don't at all see Duane moving to the studio. He may have started playing more with the jazz guys, or imagine Chuck and Duane.

GA had laid back fermenting, by LAFE. Ain't Wastin' Time, and Standback are strong. Melissa was a hit. Duane may have started writing instrumentals.

It may have served the band in the long run to have missed out on private jet tours.

Given Jimmy, Derek,Warren,Jack - there were other players out there.

Dickey was a tremendous talent, would he have had a platform and/or a hit without the ABB?

He made a strong contribution. He's not all all the whole show. He wasn't the same as Fogerty to CCR. He wasn't their whole show.

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  posted on 7/18/2019 at 12:13 PM
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Dickey was a tremendous talent, would he have had a platform and/or a hit without the ABB?


Good point, as well as your other points. Short answer to your question from me is no. And shows why Betts cranked so hard early 70s ABB, that was his rig, he couldn't start up something else. Lightning generally doesn't strike twice in the same place so safe bet that without Brothers and Sisters the ABB wouldn't have ever broken through to the mainstream.

Looks like we agree that Duane would have kept on truckin, studio or not. He was a journeyman, could have moved freely where he chose. For a band to keep rolling they gotta crank out product, and not rest on a big record. The ABB was not doing that after 1973 - so that is why Brothers and Sisters was their last big record.

Duane was one of those guitar players who could make any band sound good - but not a songwriter, so he would have worked with currently successful artists who were hiring the best. Doesn't really matter how good a guitar player you are, you cantt keep going, gotta work with singer songwriters.


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  posted on 7/19/2019 at 10:33 AM
DB really didn't have hits after GS.
Gregg did. Gregg the songwriter without the loss of creative fire
from losing Duane? He might have managed 'all compositions by...'

Still if you look at DB and GA compositions before the drugs/fame/bull **** got them,
it's incredible.

Still. I think it's important in a real good band to realize that all those voices shine
especially in that context. The swinging rhythm section of the ABB is hard to replicate.
Most people hear the charging guitars upfront and think you get that by playing fast. Add 1 drummer
playing the typical beat and it's...HORRID. the ABB swings because there's a slightly laid back
backdrop that makes the guitars pop. Dynamics and swing, they really had it.


 

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  posted on 7/19/2019 at 10:36 AM
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DB really didn't have hits after GS.


Do you mean after the first round of Great Southern in the 70s or the 2nd round in the 2000s? Because after the first round of Great Southern, Dickey's "Crazy Love", "Seven Turns", and "No One to Run With" all charted. After the second round of Great Southern, he was retired so...

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  posted on 7/19/2019 at 10:59 AM
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Still if you look at DB and GA compositions before the drugs/fame/bull **** got them,
it's incredible.


Yeah this and what you wrote about private jet tours. You mentioned the flow of the rhythm section too, a unique signature that no other group ever had, strong elements that are often overlooked

 

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  posted on 7/21/2019 at 04:19 AM
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DB really didn't have hits after GS.
Gregg did. Gregg the songwriter without the loss of creative fire
from losing Duane? He might have managed 'all compositions by...'

Still if you look at DB and GA compositions before the drugs/fame/bull **** got them,
it's incredible.

Still. I think it's important in a real good band to realize that all those voices shine
especially in that context. The swinging rhythm section of the ABB is hard to replicate.
Most people hear the charging guitars upfront and think you get that by playing fast. Add 1 drummer
playing the typical beat and it's...HORRID. the ABB swings because there's a slightly laid back
backdrop that makes the guitars pop. Dynamics and swing, they really had it.



Very true. Had Duane lived I really hope he would not have overdosed and died from hard drugs as this could have happened.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2019 at 08:49 AM
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DB really didn't have hits after GS.
Gregg did. Gregg the songwriter without the loss of creative fire
from losing Duane? He might have managed 'all compositions by...'

Still if you look at DB and GA compositions before the drugs/fame/bull **** got them,
it's incredible.

Still. I think it's important in a real good band to realize that all those voices shine
especially in that context. The swinging rhythm section of the ABB is hard to replicate.
Most people hear the charging guitars upfront and think you get that by playing fast. Add 1 drummer
playing the typical beat and it's...HORRID. the ABB swings because there's a slightly laid back
backdrop that makes the guitars pop. Dynamics and swing, they really had it.





can you please explain dickey having not hits after great southern and Gregg did? what timeframe are you referring to?


assuming these chart placements are correct here are the listed charted singles I can find by the band and dickey and Gregg after great southern.

after the initial great southern run hit songs written/co-written by betts
-crazy love #29 pop hit
-can't take it with you #105 pop hit (I know not a hit but it charted and betts wrote it)
-angeline #58 pop hit
-straight from the heart #39 pop hit #11 rock hit
-good clean fun #1 rock hit
-seven turns #12 rock hit
-no one to run with #7 rock hit
-back where it all begins #29 rock hit



looking at Gregg allman here are hit songs he had after great southerns 70 run that he wrote/co-wrote
-anything goes #3 rock hit
-good clean fun #1 rock hit
-end of the line #2 rock hit
-firing line #37 rock hit


-i'm no angel-not written/co-written by Gregg
-slip away-not written/co-written by Gregg
-can't keep running not written/co-written by Gregg. WRITTEN BY MICHAEL BOLTON
-can't get over you-not written/co-written by Gregg
-it ain't over yet-not written/co-written by Gregg




 

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  posted on 7/21/2019 at 01:01 PM
*can you please explain dickey having not hits after great southern and Gregg did?
*what timeframe are you referring to?

I'm talking about on his own.
You're right I wasn't clear


*assuming these chart placements are correct

The world isn't flat, you're OK bro!

*here are the listed charted singles I can find by the band and dickey and Gregg after great southern.

*after the initial great southern run hit songs written/co-written by betts
*-crazy love #29 pop hit
*-can't take it with you #105 pop hit (I know not a hit but it charted and betts wrote it)
*-angeline #58 pop hit
*-straight from the heart #39 pop hit #11 rock hit
*-good clean fun #1 rock hit
*-seven turns #12 rock hit
*-no one to run with #7 rock hit
*-back where it all begins #29 rock hit

Yes you are right, Betts wrote more songs.
You provided an objective facts based response.

My thought -not stated clearly:
Gregg is on a lot more a 1-2-3
I don't see anything on the charts (if that is the measure) by solo DB
(Or DB and GS)

Good Clean Fun is not a hit
without the golden voice, and GA and DB are CO writers - surprised you didn't mention this

*looking at Gregg allman here are hit songs he had after great southerns 70 run that he wrote/co-wrote
*-anything goes #3 rock hit
*-good clean fun #1 rock hit
*-end of the line #2 rock hit
*-firing line #37 rock hit

I was indeed thinking of GA the presence more than GA the writer,
Here are some chart #s


*-i'm no angel-not written/co-written by Gregg
But it hit #1

*-slip away-not written/co-written by Gregg
#17

*-can't keep running not written/co-written by Gregg. WRITTEN BY MICHAEL BOLTON
#3
*-can't get over you-not written/co-written by Gregg
#3
*-it ain't over yet-not written/co-written by Gregg
#26

It's more than possible the creative for of DB was fed by the ABB gestalt
more than GS.... Better musicians/better connections but I have no way to know.

As a PS there are so many different billboard "charts"
I didn't list which ones

Peace out
An' don't forget to put the gravy on the meat.

(Typo corrected)

[Edited on 7/21/2019 by WaitinForRain]

 

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  posted on 7/21/2019 at 10:12 PM
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*can you please explain dickey having not hits after great southern and Gregg did?
*what timeframe are you referring to?

I'm talking about on his own.
You're right I wasn't clear


*assuming these chart placements are correct

The world isn't flat, you're OK bro!

*here are the listed charted singles I can find by the band and dickey and Gregg after great southern.

*after the initial great southern run hit songs written/co-written by betts
*-crazy love #29 pop hit
*-can't take it with you #105 pop hit (I know not a hit but it charted and betts wrote it)
*-angeline #58 pop hit
*-straight from the heart #39 pop hit #11 rock hit
*-good clean fun #1 rock hit
*-seven turns #12 rock hit
*-no one to run with #7 rock hit
*-back where it all begins #29 rock hit

Yes you are right, Betts wrote more songs.
You provided an objective facts based response.

My thought -not stated clearly:
Gregg is on a lot more a 1-2-3
I don't see anything on the charts (if that is the measure) by solo DB
(Or DB and GS)

Good Clean Fun is not a hit
without the golden voice, and GA and DB are CO writers - surprised you didn't mention this

*looking at Gregg allman here are hit songs he had after great southerns 70 run that he wrote/co-wrote
*-anything goes #3 rock hit
*-good clean fun #1 rock hit
*-end of the line #2 rock hit
*-firing line #37 rock hit

I was indeed thinking of GA the presence more than GA the writer,
Here are some chart #s


*-i'm no angel-not written/co-written by Gregg
But it hit #1

*-slip away-not written/co-written by Gregg
#17

*-can't keep running not written/co-written by Gregg. WRITTEN BY MICHAEL BOLTON
#3
*-can't get over you-not written/co-written by Gregg
#3
*-it ain't over yet-not written/co-written by Gregg
#26

It's more than possible the creative for of DB was fed by the ABB gestalt
more than GS.... Better musicians/better connections but I have no way to know.

As a PS there are so many different billboard "charts"
I didn't list which ones

Peace out
An' don't forget to put the gravy on the meat.

(Typo corrected)

[Edited on 7/21/2019 by WaitinForRain]



i get gregg has solo hits in the 80's, because most of them were written by professional hit writers. i would hope pros were hired and he got hits. betts still wrote all of his solo material except the cover every now and again like "you can have her" and "atlantas burning down". its a lot easier though imo for gregg allman from the allman brothers to draw notice as a solo artist. his name already makes him a higher profile artist than betts

 

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  posted on 7/26/2019 at 10:23 AM
New Dickey live release is a real good listen. Ignore Dickey's vocals and just enjoy the music . I will return to it often over the next few weeks
 

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  posted on 7/26/2019 at 10:38 AM
Dicky Betts owes me nothing, but I could not finish this. I hope he was well paid, 'cause it surely adds nothing to his rich musical legacy.
 

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  posted on 7/26/2019 at 07:44 PM
"New Dickey live release is a real good listen."

It's shyte, mate.

But look on the bright side.
I thought Steve Stills was the only one who could sing off key all night, well past his prime,
and sell tickets for it. At least he still kills it on guitar.

GA and DBs final releases brought me to tears.
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  posted on 7/27/2019 at 05:14 PM
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Dicky Betts owes me nothing, but I could not finish this. I hope he was well paid, 'cause it surely adds nothing to his rich musical legacy.


if you want to see Dickey in his prime, watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoVFbIteEUs
If you don't want to watch Wet Willie and Marshall Tucker play a few, go to 16:55 and watch an impromptu
back porch duet at Idlewild South.
There is a jam session with Elvin Bishop, Bonnie Bramlett, and Dickey doing "Just Can't Help Myself" at the end.

If you have the YouTube download app you can save it and make a dvd copy.

OH, and there are appearances by Sea Level and Stillwater.

 

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