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  posted on 7/4/2019 at 11:07 PM
We love Dickey.
Happy 5th!!
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  posted on 7/5/2019 at 10:30 AM
I've been a Dickey fan since I fell in love the ABB back in the early 90s. I was very vocal back in 2000 about how upset I was about the split... that said, I saw Dickey back in 2006/7 in Charlotte and about 30 seconds into the encore (Ramblin' Man) Dickey stopped and made the band start over.

It was beyond strange and I knew then that the magic was gone.

I hate seeing my music heroes go on stage way past their prime. I read the stories of B.B. King dealing with dementia on stage. Not a way to be remembered. As much as I love the Dead, I won't spend $100/ticket to see them play at such a slower beat. Go on YouTube and see for yourself. You'll have to speed up the video to 1.25 for the tunes to sound like you're not trying to go to sleep.

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I thought Dickey might be in financial trouble, but if he really has $40M+, why in the hell would he want to do that? Unless this is all he knows and at that age, it's more of a routine/comfort thing.

 

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  posted on 7/5/2019 at 02:49 PM
Hi Chris. Yes Dickey is worth 40 million. Somehow Dickey made more money off the ABB than any TWO other members you could mention combined including Gregg.

I think the promoters and his manager saying the people want you back out there and go play some shows for Gregg and the money offered all made him feel good and he said he was bored and thought his career was over. When he quit in 2014 Dickey wasn't getting much action on the road anymore. But you are right about his playing. His age caught up with him sooner than B. B. King because of alcohol. But Gregg also was slipping and of course he was sick. Butch Trucks intimated in 2015 Gregg was still having drug problems but later indicated it was prescription drug abuse and pot. Butch also said Dickey was an alcoholic and drug addict and Gregg talking about missing Dickey and wanting to play with Dickey again wouldn't amount to anything at this stage in time.

One of the things that really burned Butch was a 1991 greatest hits CD that sold over 2 million copies. The ABB got nothing because it was all Capricorn songs. But Butch said Dickey and Gregg made millions because of all the writing credits they had on the damn thing and Butch said he got NOTHING. He complained he wrote the drum part of Liz Reed and Berry Oakley the bass intro for Whipping Post and everybody in the band actually wrote those songs because in the beginning all Dickey and Gregg had was some cords, melody line and some words but it needed to be shaped and completed.

Butch was posting regularly here then and someone posted "Did you talk to Duane about it" and Butch said he did but Duane said whoever came up with the originial idea was the song writer. Butch said he didn't want to rock the boat so he said no more while Duane was alive but he (Butch) contributed ideas for several songs and got nothing. Butch said Whipping post was a slow ballad when Gregg showed it to the band and he and Berry Oakey reworked that song to the point it wasn't what Gregg came up with. Now Gregg has said he didn't really like how they changed up his song.

 

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  posted on 7/5/2019 at 03:48 PM
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Hi Chris. Yes Dickey is worth 40 million. Somehow Dickey made more money off the ABB than any TWO other members you could mention combined including Gregg.

I think the promoters and his manager saying the people want you back out there and go play some shows for Gregg and the money offered all made him feel good and he said he was bored and thought his career was over. When he quit in 2014 Dickey wasn't getting much action on the road anymore. But you are right about his playing. His age caught up with him sooner than B. B. King because of alcohol. But Gregg also was slipping and of course he was sick. Butch Trucks intimated in 2015 Gregg was still having drug problems but later indicated it was prescription drug abuse and pot. Butch also said Dickey was an alcoholic and drug addict and Gregg talking about missing Dickey and wanting to play with Dickey again wouldn't amount to anything at this stage in time.

One of the things that really burned Butch was a 1991 greatest hits CD that sold over 2 million copies. The ABB got nothing because it was all Capricorn songs. But Butch said Dickey and Gregg made millions because of all the writing credits they had on the damn thing and Butch said he got NOTHING. He complained he wrote the drum part of Liz Reed and Berry Oakley the bass intro for Whipping Post and everybody in the band actually wrote those songs because in the beginning all Dickey and Gregg had was some cords, melody line and some words but it needed to be shaped and completed.

Butch was posting regularly here then and someone posted "Did you talk to Duane about it" and Butch said he did but Duane said whoever came up with the originial idea was the song writer. Butch said he didn't want to rock the boat so he said no more while Duane was alive but he (Butch) contributed ideas for several songs and got nothing. Butch said Whipping post was a slow ballad when Gregg showed it to the band and he and Berry Oakey reworked that song to the point it wasn't what Gregg came up with. Now Gregg has said he didn't really like how they changed up his song.



"somehow" dickey made more? certainly writing 75% of the bands hits and radio staples would be the reason why. ramblin man, seven turns, jessica, revival, blue sky, crazy love. gregg has whipping post, dreams and midnight rider and what else?

 

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  posted on 7/5/2019 at 04:08 PM
That is a fact, Dickey could pen a tune and I doubt he'd allow it tweaked beyond what he wrote.
I'm not sure of the exact timeline of retirement, but he was touring in late 2014, Here's a clip from NYC in August.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viTaFL86iio

Dickey's brother Joel was in bad shape and virtually on his deathbed. Dickey wasn't happy with his care so he brought him into his home, paid 8K weekly for his care, and made Joel's last days of his life as peaceful and comfortable as could be. Joel passed in March of 2015. In August of 2015 when I went down for the White Buffalo benefit for Mike Kach of Great Southern Dickey was still in mourning. Dickey deserves to ride out well.

 

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  posted on 7/5/2019 at 04:14 PM
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gregg has whipping post, dreams and midnight rider and what else?


Every nontraditional or old blues song not written by Dickey. Gregg was the main songwriter for the for the first 3 records. Gregg was the ONLY ABB songwriter on the first record, Dickey kicked in Revival and IMOER on Idlewild South. Blue Sky and Les Brers on EAP


Every Hungry Woman
Black Hearted Woman
Don't Keep Me Wonderin
Leave My Blues At Home
Ain't Wastin Time No More
Standback
Melissa

[Edited on 7/5/2019 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 7/5/2019 at 04:29 PM
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gregg has whipping post, dreams and midnight rider and what else?


Every nontraditional or old blues song not written by Dickey. Gregg was the main songwriter for the for the first 3 records. Gregg was the ONLY ABB songwriter on the first record, Dickey kicked in Revival and IMOER on Idlewild South. Blue Sky and Les Brers on EAP


Every Hungry Woman
Black Hearted Woman
Don't Keep Me Wonderin
Leave My Blues At Home
Ain't Wastin Time No More
Standback
Melissa

[Edited on 7/5/2019 by BrerRabbit]



the what else was talking about hits or radio staples. other than "melissa" i have never heard a single one of those tunes on the radio. thats why betts is worth more than greg and the rest of the band

 

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  posted on 7/5/2019 at 09:54 PM
Dickey is taking good care of Duane Betts too. Duane had a real nice crib out in Malibu, California years ago. Duane flies to nice vacation spots several times a year. Duane has three of Dickey's best guitars as his main axes. A 2001 aged Dickey Betts custom shop Gibson Les Paul, 1956 Fender Stratocaster hardtail and a big dot neck 1961 Gibson ES-335.

Now if you want to compare Dickey's 40 million to some other guitar players....Keith Richards 340 million. Eric Clapton 250 million. David Gilmore 200 million.

Gregg was worth 20 million and owned 42 guitars. Devon Allman said Gregg gave him all of them.

 

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  posted on 7/6/2019 at 08:10 PM
Writing the song = bringing the song, lyrics and melody
Arrangement = tempo and timing

If I rearranged midnight rider to include a distinctive drum intro,
I didn't write the song, I ARRANGED it.

Ta da!

The Dicky DVD is pretty hard to watch. He's done.

I've seen plenty of artists past their prime. Some bring it,
some don't.

Gregg's last output was particularly listenable, live and studio.


 

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  posted on 7/6/2019 at 08:57 PM
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gregg has whipping post, dreams and midnight rider and what else?


Every nontraditional or old blues song not written by Dickey. Gregg was the main songwriter for the for the first 3 records. Gregg was the ONLY ABB songwriter on the first record, Dickey kicked in Revival and IMOER on Idlewild South. Blue Sky and Les Brers on EAP


Every Hungry Woman
Black Hearted Woman
Don't Keep Me Wonderin
Leave My Blues At Home
Ain't Wastin Time No More
Standback
Melissa

[Edited on 7/5/2019 by BrerRabbit]



the what else was talking about hits or radio staples. other than "melissa" i have never heard a single one of those tunes on the radio. thats why betts is worth more than greg and the rest of the band
I heard those songs constantly on FM radio all through the 70s and into the 80s it drew me and a million other people to the band, and made them who they are, along with Dickeys tunes and picking.

 

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  posted on 7/6/2019 at 11:08 PM
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gregg has whipping post, dreams and midnight rider and what else?


Every nontraditional or old blues song not written by Dickey. Gregg was the main songwriter for the for the first 3 records. Gregg was the ONLY ABB songwriter on the first record, Dickey kicked in Revival and IMOER on Idlewild South. Blue Sky and Les Brers on EAP


Every Hungry Woman
Black Hearted Woman
Don't Keep Me Wonderin
Leave My Blues At Home
Ain't Wastin Time No More
Standback
Melissa

[Edited on 7/5/2019 by BrerRabbit]



the what else was talking about hits or radio staples. other than "melissa" i have never heard a single one of those tunes on the radio. thats why betts is worth more than greg and the rest of the band
I heard those songs constantly on FM radio all through the 70s and into the 80s it drew me and a million other people to the band, and made them who they are, along with Dickeys tunes and picking.




thats awesome you heard some album cuts 40 years ago. how much money do you think that generated for gregg? since "classic rock" stations became a thing about 30 years ago i have never once hear any song that was listed played on classic rock FM stations except "melissa" and that was my point. betts is the writer for the 2 most played ABB on classic rock radio and wrote another 2 that get played alot . plus he wrote most of the singles starting with the album brothers and sisters even if they were played for a few months on radio the year they were released and then never heard from again.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2019 at 03:43 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bankrate.com/finance/personal-finance/fame -and-fortune-dickey-betts.aspx/amp/ Dickey made 3/4 of his money on the road (when he was with the brothers) merchandising being a big part of it. Post ABB it was 1/2 performance 1/2 royalties. Dickey also had a great investment team. Don't say Gregg's tunes weren't played and he didn't earn much money from them, it's just not the case.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bankrate.com/finance/personal-financ e/fame-and-fortune-dickey-betts.aspx/amp/ Dickey made 3/4 of his money on the road (when he was with the brothers) merchandising being a big part of it. Post ABB it was 1/2 performance 1/2 royalties. Dickey also had a great investment team. Don't say Gregg's tunes weren't played and he didn't earn much money from them, it's just not the case.

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i am going to say that. I even just called my local classic rock station in Richmond va 96.5. the playlist of songs related to the ABB the are allowed to play in order of most played
1 rambling man
2 Jessica
3 midnight rider (the solo Gregg version)
4 whipping post
5 blue sky
6 Melissa


there you go. they said thats it unless its a special segment where they play multiple songs in a row by classic artists. if its like that all over most cities dickey wrote the top 2 . each guy wrote 3 songs of the top 6. I can look at the rest of the singles released by the band starting with brothers and sisters and see dickey as a writer or co-writer on most of them. even some singles from the 1989-2000 timeframe that Gregg sings dickey wrote

 

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  posted on 7/7/2019 at 10:03 AM
When Butch called Gregg in 2000 to say he found out from his wife Gregg was quiting the band, Butch said let's vote him out rather than folding the band because we can't legitimately call this the Allman Brothers with no Allman. Butch also said he was quiting too but lets vote out Dickey and keep going. Gregg said the contract probably won't allow it. Butch said there isn't a contract. It's just a gentleman's agreement. When Jaimoe was sacked in 1980 it was Dickey talking us into voting him out. There was no contract.

The contracts those boys signed was for Allman Brothers Inc. The originial four owned the band and additional musicians had contracts. When Warren and Woody quit in 1997, the band was going to invite them to be owners and be on par with the original four.

It's my understanding Dickey continued to be an owner of the band so apparently received his cut even though he was voted off the stage.

Remember in the 2000's when the band sued iTunes? I saw the suite reported on the net and it listed Gregg, Butch, Jaimoe and DICKEY as the owners and this was several years after Dickey was voted out.

When Butch and Gregg discussed voting Dickey out permanently they had to get Jaimoe involved but when they called him, Jaimoe said no. The only way an originial can leave is die or quit. So they agreed to lay Dickey off for the summer. In the meantime Dickey sued the band and after arbitration was finalized and Dickey left with no discussion of continuing as a player, Butch said "now what". Jaimoe said Dickey must have quit. Gregg agreed and Gregg said he would continue the band only if Warren Haynes came back.

Gregg discusses this in his book. Yes he was going to quit in 2000 but Butch talked him into staying and getting rid of Dickey. But Jaimoe wouldn't go along with it, just a temporary suspension. After arbitration Gregg says in his book that Dickey actually ended up quiting. They did not fire him. Personally I think it was a little of both.

Warren said they should have followed bands like the Rolling Stones and not played every year. Take two, three years off between tours and none of this would have happened. But Warren said they had acquired a number of people who were counting on the band for their living so they had to play every year and like the Stones, they would get along better if they played no more than every other year at the most.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2019 at 10:21 AM
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Well, the band is tight and Dickey shows a few flashes of his old self towards the end. But I don't think this will be added to the Library of Congress.

https://www.guitarworld.com/news/the-dickey-betts-band-premiere-new-ramblin -man-live-video


I'll be generous and give that a 2 out of 5 stars.

 

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When Butch called Gregg in 2000 to say he found out from his wife Gregg was quiting the band, Butch said let's vote him out rather than folding the band because we can't legitimately call this the Allman Brothers with no Allman. Butch also said he was quiting too but lets vote out Dickey and keep going. Gregg said the contract probably won't allow it. Butch said there isn't a contract. It's just a gentleman's agreement. When Jaimoe was sacked in 1980 it was Dickey talking us into voting him out. There was no contract.

The contracts those boys signed was for Allman Brothers Inc. The originial four owned the band and additional musicians had contracts. When Warren and Woody quit in 1997, the band was going to invite them to be owners and be on par with the original four.

It's my understanding Dickey continued to be an owner of the band so apparently received his cut even though he was voted off the stage.

Remember in the 2000's when the band sued iTunes? I saw the suite reported on the net and it listed Gregg, Butch, Jaimoe and DICKEY as the owners and this was several years after Dickey was voted out.

When Butch and Gregg discussed voting Dickey out permanently they had to get Jaimoe involved but when they called him, Jaimoe said no. The only way an originial can leave is die or quit. So they agreed to lay Dickey off for the summer. In the meantime Dickey sued the band and after arbitration was finalized and Dickey left with no discussion of continuing as a player, Butch said "now what". Jaimoe said Dickey must have quit. Gregg agreed and Gregg said he would continue the band only if Warren Haynes came back.

Gregg discusses this in his book. Yes he was going to quit in 2000 but Butch talked him into staying and getting rid of Dickey. But Jaimoe wouldn't go along with it, just a temporary suspension. After arbitration Gregg says in his book that Dickey actually ended up quiting. They did not fire him. Personally I think it was a little of both.

Warren said they should have followed bands like the Rolling Stones and not played every year. Take two, three years off between tours and none of this would have happened. But Warren said they had acquired a number of people who were counting on the band for their living so they had to play every year and like the Stones, they would get along better if they played no more than every other year at the most.



the stones did tour every year until 1980. they played a few shows in 1977 and 1979 and then no tour in 1980 or 1983-1988. it wasn't until after the 1989-1990 tour that they started taking some years off. still though they toured 1994-1995, 1997-1999, 2002-2003, 2005-2007. since 2012 they have played usually at least 10 shows a year.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2019 at 03:07 PM
You folks are really something. His playing is not bad. To me, he sounds like he is trying to find the grove that was there in the 1975 Brothers and Sisters album release, that same style, he is going for that; maybe the rest of the band were not in that place, and Mike Kach is not Chuck Leavell, different sound. Duane Betts is still being respectful and refined, he won't drive Dickey the way Dangerous Dan did to touch the sky. The only criticism I would have would be the vocals. You want somebody to say it? He sounds a little schnockered on the vocals. There I said it. I could also point out Gregg had a few of them nights himself but we always overlook it out of empathy because he was Duane's brother and losing Duane hit him hard, so if Gregg was effed up, people would just say aw man and let it go. Dickey is not a vocalist, that is another aspect.

That was from one show in Jersey, during a tour. Just one night. Other nights are not like that and he's proven it over and over.

I don't find anything wrong with his playing. He likes to improvise and do new things in the old songs, and as I said it sounds like he was in the 74-75 groove of the song. I remember after Berry died and he had just written the song, he played it on tour and blew everybody away with it. He was phenomenal, and he still is, after all he is Dickey, genuine since '69!



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  posted on 7/7/2019 at 04:48 PM
I am saddened to have seen videos from this tour. Dickie was an integral part of the ABB. His playing, for years, was very good and certainly unique in of itself. Unmistakable in whatever format he chose to participate in. I wish him health and happiness in the future. Please do not come out again and tarnish the memories.
 

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I was pretty diplomatic after the Beacon show and tried to ride on the "good to say thanks to Dickey" type opinion. Only after this release fanfare hype did I really be honest.

Jackson Maxwell of Guitar World says: "a scintillating version of Betts' signature contribution to the Allman Brothers Band catalog".

Tell me they aren't "motivated" to write that stuff.

The only thing I can logically reason out is Dickey had given rights to others to release this back when he signed for doing the shows. I can't believe he or Duane in retrospect see this as a dynamite item to get out for fans.

Bum note to end on, so I hope for some possible releases of great vintage Dickey shows, Highway Call era and later Great Southern stuff. And an ABB release with Dickey and Jack Pearson.

 

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A release of Jack Pearson with the ABB is supposedly in the works. Jack and Dickey smoked it during the summer of 1997. I saw several of those shows and Otiel was new to the band too and I was bummed about Warren and Allen leaving and we heard the rumor that much of the reason is because Dickey pulled a knife of Allen. But to my delight and surprise Dickey was rejuvenate at the 3 shows I saw and playing as hot as he was the first several years of the Warren/Allen version of the band. Also first time I saw Dickey playing a Strat since the first half of 1970. Dickey had a hot rail pickup in the neck position and his tone was similar to a Gibson. And it was funny because during the summer of 1997 NO Gibson guitars were on stage by either lead player or the bass. That isn't unusual for some bands but it was for the ABB.

Last I listen to it there is a 1997 Raleigh, N. C. show on YouTube which clearly shows just how hot the band was that summer with Jack and Dickey really soring.

Last I read anything from Dickey in the press he said he is likely retired again and he just doesnt think he puts on a good show anymore. Actually the last show of that 2018 tour saw Dickey making few claims and playing with a little of his old pop.

Unless it's the poor sound from cell phones, all the 2018 shows I've seen on YouTube are especially rough for Dickey. So many clams in every solo. No energy and a few notes that are just awful. Singing not good either. I hope whoever paid Dickey for the new release isn't just putting it out in an attempt to get some of his money back. If Tom Dowd were involved he wouldn't let this out out of respect for Dickey. Maybe some of the other songs are better but the version of Ramblin Man has Dickey making too many hickeys in his solos. The singing is a C - and the tempo is too slow. I'm going to buy it out of respect to my favorite guitar player and song writer but may never watch it. It seems to be as rough as B. B. King the last I saw him. B. B. wanted to play a good show but he had to sit and clearly his age just wouldn't let him. And like Dickey, he would loose his place in some solos then get out of sinc with his band. B. B. had too many clams for his reputation. And it hurt to see him play when you remember how good he was and that B. B. just couldn't do it anymore. I'm 72 now and can't do a lot of things I use to and it hurts. David Lee Roth wasn't good enough to be in Van Halen last I saw him. It's sad what age and a little bad living mixed in will do to everything from your golf game, bowling and love life. Is there a blue pill for a flat golf game?

 

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  posted on 7/8/2019 at 07:52 AM
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The only thing I can logically reason out is Dickey had given rights to others to release this back when he signed for doing the shows. I can't believe he or Duane in retrospect see this as a dynamite item to get out for fans.


This and maybe trying to help promote Duane while he launches the ABB are the only plausible explanations I can come up with. Dickey says his playing days are no good anymore and puts out this subpar vid to support it in a "see I told ya so" sort of way? Doesn't make sense.

Just like there were much better versions of the tunes vs. what was released on Peakin at the Beacon, they could've released something from the Peach Fest that would've smoked this.

Completely baffling....

 

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  posted on 7/8/2019 at 09:08 AM
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Dickey is taking good care of Duane Betts too. Duane had a real nice crib out in Malibu, California years ago. Duane flies to nice vacation spots several times a year. Duane has three of Dickey's best guitars as his main axes. A 2001 aged Dickey Betts custom shop Gibson Les Paul, 1956 Fender Stratocaster hardtail and a big dot neck 1961 Gibson ES-335.

Now if you want to compare Dickey's 40 million to some other guitar players....Keith Richards 340 million. Eric Clapton 250 million. David Gilmore 200 million.

Gregg was worth 20 million and owned 42 guitars. Devon Allman said Gregg gave him all of them.

That's a crazy amount of money. If I had even near a small percentage of that type of money I would not waste it by living in Malibu or Southern California, or in Palm Beach FL like Butch did. Instead I suppose I would be more like Devon and a lot more conservative with the money, and just live comfortably.

I did not watch the video as I just watched the live stream from the Macon show when Dickey played with Jaimoe and I don't want to ruin the good memory of it or the other times I saw Dickey with the Allmans and his band great southern.

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  posted on 7/8/2019 at 09:25 AM
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The only thing I can logically reason out is Dickey had given rights to others to release this back when he signed for doing the shows. I can't believe he or Duane in retrospect see this as a dynamite item to get out for fans.


This and maybe trying to help promote Duane while he launches the ABB are the only plausible explanations I can come up with. Dickey says his playing days are no good anymore and puts out this subpar vid to support it in a "see I told ya so" sort of way? Doesn't make sense.

Just like there were much better versions of the tunes vs. what was released on Peakin at the Beacon, they could've released something from the Peach Fest that would've smoked this.

Completely baffling....




to me its more of a "thank you guys but you can see this is the end of the road but if you want to enjoy a performance one last time I gave it my all". to me its a release for his long time fans . that doesn't mean I think the clip sounded great though lol

 

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  posted on 7/8/2019 at 09:39 AM
From a lot of accounts, the one show where Dickey was closest to his pre-2014 self was the Peach Fest gig. Too bad they didn't record & release that one...if they had to do one. And I do think this was the best band Dickey assembled after 2000 (partially because I never heard Mike or Duane play so well).

I'm glad I went to Macon and got to see Dickey & Jaimoe share the stage. Fun night. I have no desire to acquire the tape.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2019 at 10:18 AM
Peeking at the Beacon was to fulfill the ABB's commitment to Epic. After 2nd set in 1995 several in the band decided their deal with Epic wasn't a good one so they refused to do another album which disappointed Warren and Allen. They wanted to do some more albums.

The Beacon was chosen because of it's iconic connection to the band by 2000 and it's my understanding it's a good soundboard recording they provided Epic culled from several shows during the 2000 Beacon run produced by the band and sound man Bud Snyder. Likely they didn't plan on the shows being part of an album much like Wipe the Windows was an afterthought by Capricorn.

I really like Standback on Peeking at the Beacon. Gregg's vocals are strong and Derek and Dickey are blowing real good. The first two tracks are strong too and I like Leave My Blues at Home and Seven turns. Nice slide solo from Derek. The rest of it I don't play. Well I only play any of the CD just a few times a year. It was a disappointment for Epic selling just north of 20,000 copies.

 

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