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  posted on 6/24/2019 at 12:12 PM
Only Duane on the cover of the set. That is interesting. When the band had just formed and eventually drifted up to Macon, Phil Walden wasn't expecting 6 men and his contract was with Duane. Phil introduced Duane to Jaimoe telling him to see if he fits what you are doing and Phil knew Duane had his eye on the bass player in a Florida band and that was it other than knowing they were going to do some recording for a possible first album.

They were close to calling the band Beelzebub but Phil wanted Duane's name involved. They then decided on the Allman Brothers Bsnd and when the first album came out inside is a picture of just Gregg and Duane together. Heard from several sources in very early 1970 that Duane got irritated and bitched at Phil. Duane said he decided a 3 piece Cream or Hendrix style band wasn't what was happening for him and they are promoting themselves as 6 equals and please in the future have all 6 of us in every picture.

But that was 49 years ago. Just having Duane on the cover is a statement. That this is the real Allman Brothers Band. After October 1971 I always felt seeing the Allman Brothers without Duane Allman is like seeing the Rolling Stones without Mick Jagger or Led Zeppelin without Jimmy Page. You are not getting the full effect. The pure stuff. I feel that way about LS without Ronnie. I continued to see every later lineup though. Much of the time it was still real good but you still knew you were seeing a band minus it's soul and inspiration. I'm buying this set because it's the original lineup...the pure real deal Allman Brothers.

 

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  posted on 6/24/2019 at 01:19 PM
No vinyl. That's a real bummer. All my new "hard copy" purchases are vinyl these days. I do not even have a working CD player anymore.
 

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  posted on 6/24/2019 at 03:54 PM
Why Duane only on the artwork? I think it is because Duane is recognizable and will tell buyers the music includes him. I am speculating it is for marketing purposes.

It would be like a Queen box set with just Mercury's pic on the cover. It help sell product.

 

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  posted on 6/24/2019 at 06:34 PM
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I'm just glad that this is being released. We can debate dates and what not until the truth be known, but in the meantime let's all just enjoy some more Duane and the boys.


I am with you brother. I am just happy they finally decided to release these shows. It would be interesting to know the real dates and if they are complete setlists but it won't stop me from enjoying the music.

If the powers to be are listening how about a Warehouse box set next! Butch (RIP) said the band has the tapes.

[Edited on 6/22/2019 by Bill_Graham]


I can't quite fathom NOT wanting this set to be scrupulously researched and annotated?!?!....Such knowledge has come to increase my enjoyment of the music, in the moment and as a reliable historical document. Am I virtually alone in that regard?

[Edited on 6/25/2019 by DOVETAIL]

 

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  posted on 6/24/2019 at 06:36 PM
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Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?



None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.

Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.

A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.

Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.



Doesn't the recording played on Sirius/XM call into question the dating of the circulating 1/31 audience tape? My copies of 1/31 don't appear to be cut following "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" and you hear "Turn up the organ a bit and the mic" then "This is a song off our new record." Unless the recording that Sirius/XM played was a compilation professionally constructed with songs & comments from different nights to appear to be all from the same night, doesn't it suggest that what is circulating as 1/31 can't be 1/31, because it is missing the "...last three nights...."comment?

In addition, the stage banter at the end of the sample that is up on the Rolling Stone site of "Trouble No More" matches the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" stage banter, "A little more vocal & a little more organ please through the monitor please." This could match the complete stage banter between "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" on the 1/28 audience but all of the copies I have has a cut after the 2nd "thank you" and before "this is off our 2nd album." So that could add to the premise that the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 is actually 1/28, but then where did the comment "... something will screw up on you every time. We pay our road managers $10 a week and everything they can steal...." after "Statesboro Blues" on the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 come from?

As stated by several others, hopefully the box set liner notes or booklet will have the answers.

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[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]


As I stated before, hoping I am not in such a small minority, I can't quite fathom NOT wanting this set to be scrupulously researched and annotated?!?!....Such knowledge has come to increase my enjoyment of the music, in the moment and as a reliable historical document. Might be a good project for John Lynskey, so he has some hard and fast facts to share if he is to author an essay for the liner notes!??

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  posted on 6/25/2019 at 06:01 AM
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I'm just glad that this is being released. We can debate dates and what not until the truth be known, but in the meantime let's all just enjoy some more Duane and the boys.


I am with you brother. I am just happy they finally decided to release these shows. It would be interesting to know the real dates and if they are complete setlists but it won't stop me from enjoying the music.

If the powers to be are listening how about a Warehouse box set next! Butch (RIP) said the band has the tapes.

[Edited on 6/22/2019 by Bill_Graham]


I can't quite fathom NOT wanting this set to be scrupulously researched and annotated?!?!....Such knowledge has come to increase my enjoyment of the music, in the moment and as a reliable historical document.


Most fans are not like the members of this forum and could care less if the dates are correct.

Think about most live recordings that get released. The casual fan just wants good sounding music and are happy with live recordings with no location and date attribution and in many cases fixed in the studio.

Let me ask you a question. Are you not going to buy this release because of the dating controversy? If you say you will buy it anyway then why would they spend their time trying to scrupulously research the provenance of the content? For a handful of hardcore fans who care about such details and will buy the CDs anyway? I don't think so.

Don't get me wrong I would like the dates to be correct but it will not stop me from enjoying the music.



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  posted on 6/25/2019 at 06:53 AM
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Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?



None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.

Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.

A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.

Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.



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  posted on 6/25/2019 at 06:59 AM
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Most fans are not like the members of this forum and could care less if the dates are correct.

Think about most live recordings that get released. The casual fan just wants good sounding music and are happy with live recordings with no location and date attribution and in many cases fixed in the studio.

Let me ask you a question. Are you not going to buy this release because of the dating controversy? If you say you will buy it anyway then why would they spend their time trying to scrupulously research the provenance of the content? For a handful of hardcore fans who care about such details and will buy the CDs anyway? I don't think so.

Don't get me wrong I would like the dates to be correct but it will not stop me from enjoying the music.



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[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]


Totally agree with you. How many non die hards care about the dates? I'm only curious because of spending time on the site I guess. I was a baby when this happened. And do you think like Dickey or Jaimoe would remember? Doubt it.

I wonder if Kirk West might know?

 

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  posted on 6/25/2019 at 10:26 AM
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Most fans are not like the members of this forum and could care less if the dates are correct.

Think about most live recordings that get released. The casual fan just wants good sounding music and are happy with live recordings with no location and date attribution and in many cases fixed in the studio.

Let me ask you a question. Are you not going to buy this release because of the dating controversy? If you say you will buy it anyway then why would they spend their time trying to scrupulously research the provenance of the content? For a handful of hardcore fans who care about such details and will buy the CDs anyway? I don't think so.

Don't get me wrong I would like the dates to be correct but it will not stop me from enjoying the music.



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[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]


Totally agree with you. How many non die hards care about the dates? I'm only curious because of spending time on the site I guess. I was a baby when this happened. And do you think like Dickey or Jaimoe would remember? Doubt it.

I wonder if Kirk West might know?


I understand it bothers some if the dates are not accurate as we love the band and that type of information adds to our enjoyment of our listening experience.

My only point is I can't see the band or management putting a lot of time and money to pay people to research this information when it adds no value to their product they are trying to sell. The hardcore fans may bitch about the inaccuracy but in the end, we are all buying this release anyway so where is the payback for the Band/ Management?

And as someone pointed out who is still around from the time of those recordings who even knows that information. The boxes for these shows were found in someone's closet so who knows if the dates on the boxes are accurate or if the tapes in the box are even from those dates?

For anyone who has the excellent Hittin The Note mag with the articles on the making of the Fillmore East box set you can read about the nightmare Bill Levenson had tracking down all the tapes from those concerts and the monumental task he had verifying content and dates played. And these are tapes held in Major Record label vaults so imagine trying to verify the provenance of tapes someone had stashed in their closet for 40 years. Add that to the fact that this is not a major label release so I can't see there being financial support to do the required research.

For those upset about the dates being wrong why not look at it as a challenge to research based on what know and comparing to any audience tapes to solve the mystery for the rest of the fans?

If I had copies of all the CaptSkipper remasters and any audience tapes I would give it a try myself as I love a mystery and it would be a fun weekend project while enjoying my favorite beverage.

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  posted on 6/25/2019 at 11:29 AM
I ordered mine. So glad to be having some unheard original 6 music....

And I too hate there is stuff in the can somewhere that likely won't be released. Just can't understand WHY ??

 

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  posted on 6/25/2019 at 12:37 PM
$37.97 inc. free shipping at Bull Moose !!!!!!

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  posted on 6/25/2019 at 12:47 PM
I'm ordering it and excited.

(and hoping for a Best of 1998 and Best of 1979 as the next two releases.......plus 3/21/05 Beacon)

 

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  posted on 6/25/2019 at 01:23 PM
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(and hoping for a Best of 1998 and Best of 1979 as the next two releases.......plus 3/21/05 Beacon)




Then there's the Warehouse show, plus existing video...Who says there's not enough work for an archivist?

 

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(and hoping for a Best of 1998 and Best of 1979 as the next two releases.......plus 3/21/05 Beacon)




Then there's the Warehouse show, plus existing video...Who says there's not enough work for an archivist?


Butch Trucks (RIP) stated in an interview with Rolling Stone that they have the Warehouse shows and he was hoping they would release them someday. They played the Warehouse 9 times with Duane so that would be an epic box set if they really do have them and ever released them.

Rolling Stone: "Are there other vintage shows that you would like to see released?
Trucks: There are some nights we did at the Warehouse in New Orleans that I’d give anything to have out. And we have ’em. Also pretty much anything from the Fillmores [East and West]. But definitely the Warehouse — every time we played there, it was magic.


https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/allman-brothers-butch-trucks- talks-epic-1971-radio-concert-230442/


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  posted on 6/25/2019 at 03:12 PM
I must be missing something. This article is dated 2016. They already released those five albums, no?

 

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  posted on 6/25/2019 at 03:55 PM
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I must be missing something. This article is dated 2016. They already released those five albums, no?


I think it is Fricke that is confused and not you Lee. Later in the article, he asks Butch why it took so long to release the A&R show and Trucks mentions they have been releasing the archive shows for several years but stopped for some reason.

Fricke: Several important live albums have been released from the Allmans’ archive in recent years. How did the A&R Studios broadcast escape scrutiny until now?

Trucks: We have so many recordings of unreleased shows that absolutely smoke. We were putting out two recordings a year for awhile, old stuff with Duane and Berry; one with just the five of us before [pianist] Chuck Leavell joined the band [Macon City Auditorium; Macon, Georgia; February 11th, 1972]; and with Chuck and [bassist] Lamar Williams [Nassau Coliseum; Long Island, New York; May 1st, 1973]. For some reason, we stopped putting them out.


There is an excellent article in an old Hittin the Note magazine about the American University release where someone from the Brothers camp mentions they have a number of Duane era tapes from the same period of time so maybe we will see more Duane era archive shows if the Fillmore West release sells enough to warrant the effort.

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  posted on 6/25/2019 at 05:19 PM
This will probably only fire things up even more, but, several previously released archive shows were "put together" from one or more different dates. Skip confided that to me a number of years ago. So, what we've been told was a "single" performance under a given date, really isn't accurate either.

Ultimately though, I'm just glad the material came out so that it could be enjoyed.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2019 at 07:27 PM
Coot - I could be wrong but I think that was only one show -

 

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This will probably only fire things up even more, but, several previously released archive shows were "put together" from one or more different dates. Skip confided that to me a number of years ago. So, what we've been told was a "single" performance under a given date, really isn't accurate either.

Ultimately though, I'm just glad the material came out so that it could be enjoyed.


Coot,

Does not surprise me at all. All you have to do is look at Polydor's 1992 release "The Allman Brothers Band: The Fillmore Concerts" which is a 12 song compilation of songs from the March 12 & 13, 1971 and June 27, 1971, all from the Fillmore East. The packaging does indicate which show each track came from. "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" was actually a mix of the song played at March 13, 1971 (first show) and the March 13, 1971 (second show). "You Don't Love Me" was a mix of the song played at March 13, 1971 (first show) and the March 12, 1971 (second show).

I would like to add that I also have preordered the Fillmore West 1971 box set and can't wait to simply listen to the great music. In addition, at the same time one of my hobbies is archiving live music including the music from, and the date & venue of concerts from the 60's & 70's. So yes I am very interested in where and when the music came from, but the music itself is of primary importance. With that said my earlier post regarding the dates of each of the Fillmore West 1971 shows should probably have been better placed in "Historical Members of the Allman Brothers Band > Duane Allman > DUANE ERA ABB RECORDINGS ~ reference list first post on page 1 ~ UPDATED 12th JAN 2019".

 

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The archive 1971 Stonybrook release is a compilation of cuts from the early and late shows I believe.

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Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough, I wasn’t referring to the Fillmore West upcoming release but some previous archive releases.

 

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Coot - Yes, I understand that. We're talking about a previous release of the original ABB. But I'm only aware of it being of one of the releases.

 

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There is a great article in the Summer 2002 Issue 35 of the Hittin the note magazine centered around the American University archive release. In the article Kirk West explains how the tapes were found in a former band associates closet. He also goes on to hint that they have a stash of tapes from the early to mid 70's that might be viable archive material.

Here are some excerpts from the article about the tapes. I am paraphrasing a little to just give the info on the tapes.

Kirk West: Larry Brantley, who is Dickey's old guitar tech from the 70's, mentioned to me he had some of Mike Callahan ( ABB soundman 1969-1973) old quarter inch reel to reel tapes. He eventually brought over a box with half a dozen reel to reel tapes with American University on 2 reels.

He goes on to describe how it took a year for a guy named Rob Navarides, who worked in the Warner Brothers film restoration dept in L.A., to work on the American University tapes to get them in usable shape for the archive release as he did this type of work as a hobby on the side.

West then explains Brantley found some more tapes in a closet.

Kirk West: The tapes start in 1970, we don't have any from 1969, but we have tapes from 70, 71 plus some killer stuff from 72, 73, and 75. We've got some wonderful material from the six or seven year period, real prime cuts. Now our friend Larry ( Brantley) has come up with some more great tapes. About a year ago he cleaned out another closet and found half a dozen tapes, and four of them are from 71 shows. Master tapes all of them, and we rounded up a bunch of mid 70's stuff. We have tapes (70/71) that are a couple of weeks apart.

He mentions in the article that while the band did not tape every show Mike Callahan made a lot of tapes but he had a burglary where tapes were stolen so someone must have them somewhere collecting dust or just lost.

Sounds like there may be more stuff in the archive so would love to know exactly what they have and if there are any plans to release more Duane era shows.

Also curious what Warehouse shows they have in the archive that Butch mentioned in his Rolling Stone mag interview as well as saying they had tons of archive shows.

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  posted on 6/26/2019 at 11:10 AM
I'd take a top shelf 1975 release (I know were not every '75 show was top shelf) out of that batch of tapes too.

 

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Coot - Yes, I understand that. We're talking about a previous release of the original ABB. But I'm only aware of it being of one of the releases.
I Thought the 5/1/73 Nassau Coliseum show was one that "Borrowed" from other shows as well.

 

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