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  posted on 6/20/2019 at 11:03 PM
I'll pay for it. I don't know how many have had the complete shows - you may be in for a few surprises. I'd like to see the complete set lists for each night.

 

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  posted on 6/21/2019 at 03:06 AM
It will be very interesting to see exactly what is on this release … the document states that the recordings are from shows played at Fillmore West on 29th, 30th & 31st Jan 1971 … yet the database here has a four show run from 28th to 31st.

Furthermore, Capt Skipper did work on these recordings for a proposed archival release a few years ago that got shelved and based upon his information there is no recording of the 29th show - which was also reputedly played at Winterland not Fillmore West.

The info gleaned from conversations with Skip and other venerable members of this site is as follows:

01/28/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (1 disc)
{CaptSkipper Remaster available}

Track List: Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Dreams / You Don’t Love Me / Whipping Post

01/29/71 @ Winterland, San Francisco (1 track only – Whipping Post)

Regarding the venue for this show, according to Kim Payne (ABB Roadie) the show on the 29th was actually played at Winterland, and not the Fillmore West. In further discussions about this, Joseph Campbell (ABB Roadie – “Red Dog”) also recalled having to move Greggs Hammond B3 Organ across the city for one show at Winterland after a show at the Fillmore West. So it would seem that although the ABB had originally been booked to play the 28th, 29th, 30th & 31st at the Fillmore West, after playing there on the 28th for some reason (possibly technical or booking issues) they had to move over to Winterland for the show on the 29th, and then go back to the Fillmore for the shows on the 30th & 31st.

There are two bogus versions in circulation purporting to be this show. One is just a copy of 1/28 with a bit of manipulation of the crowd noise and stage banter between the tracks to give the impression that the recording is from a different show. The other is a bit more devious in that it has stage banter from other shows inserted between the tracks. This was proven by sonic analysis (thanks to Steve Cogley aka “oldcoot”) which also showed that some of the tracks had been fabricated by splicing together sections from different recordings.

It is therefore thought that no genuine recording exists of the full show at Winterland on 1/29, however there is a recording from a radio show that is in circulation, where the DJ announces “And now, live from Winterland, here’s Whipping Post from the Allman Brothers”. This one track is considered to be the only authentic recording from the show on 01/29/71, and may well be what has been used on the second of the bogus shows referred to above.

01/30/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (1 disc)
{Remastered Soundboard Recording}

This show falls into a grey area with regards to tradability, as it is a remastered soundboard recording that was prepared as part of the ABB Archive Release programme. The show was never issued, however copies of the show are known to exist in private trading circles.

Track List: Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / Tuning / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Stormy Monday / You Don’t Love Me / Whipping Post

01/31/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (2 discs)
{CaptSkipper Remaster available}

The freely traded version of this show is an audience recording that has the following track list: Disc 1 - Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Hoochie Coochie Man / Dreams … Disc 2 - You Don’t Love Me / Hot ’Lanta / Whipping Post

There is a second version of this show however, which falls into a grey area with regards to tradability as it is a remastered soundboard recording that was prepared as part of the ABB Archive Release programme. The show was never issued, however copies of the show are known to exist in private trading circles with the following track list: Disc 1 - Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Hoochie Coochie Man / Dreams / You Don’t Love Me … Disc 2 - Hot ’Lanta / Whipping Post / One Way Out # / Mountain Jam #

# FillerTracks: “One Way Out” is from the 06/16/71 show at the Municipal Auditorium in Birmingham and “Mountain Jam” is from the 03/13/70 show at the Warehouse in New Orleans.








[Edited on 6/21/2019 by harvey]

 

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  posted on 6/21/2019 at 09:03 AM
You make a good point Harvey in that I am not sure they know what dates the tapes they have are from.

I was lucky enough to listen to the original Sirius broadcast and have posted my impressions in several threads but here they are again. I have a number of boots from the Fillmore West shows and while they are good the broadcast version SQ was better so I am really looking forward to this set.

Here are my thoughts on the broadcast

I was able to listen to the original Sirius broadcast and there is supposed to be a 4CD release sometime this year. Here were my impressions of the broadcast

The show was DJ'd by Warren Haynes wife, Stefani Scamardo, with him giving color commentary. It was mentioned that this will be a 4CD box set from 2 track SB tapes to be released later this year. She also said that the band played 4 nights, starting the 27th, as the middle act with Hot Tuna as the headliners, which jives for the band lineup, but not the dates, on the concert poster someone posted earlier. It was mentioned that the first night's tape from the 27th has not been found so I am assuming the box set will hopefully be from the last 3 nights.

Here was the first discrepancy I noticed as she claims the shows started the 27th to the 30th but the concert poster states 28-31st. Also, I read on the ABB forum that the show from the 29th was actually played at Winterland and not the Fillmore West so I am curious what the reality is.

The second thing I noticed is the broadcast is claimed to be from the third show, which according to Scamardo's timeline would be the 29th, yet right before "Don't Keep Me Wondering" Duane says they enjoyed the first three nights and they would enjoy this one or something to that effect. So I am wondering if this tape is from the following night?

In any case, the total broadcast time was around 45 minutes and a setlist of 7 songs which is about right when the Allmans played support. I got to listen to almost the complete broadcast except for about 15 minutes right before You Don't Love Me" where I had to get out of the car to take care of business.

The first impression is this is a fantastic recording which is clear and well balanced for the most part. I did notice that for the first 2 tracks the drums were a bit recessed in the background and the same on the last track "Whipping Post". On the other tracks, all the instruments are well balanced but, as you would expect with a 2 track SB recording, the separation is not very wide so as long as you're not expecting the multitrack separation of the 2014 Fillmore Recordings I think you won't be disappointed in the sound quality.

The performance is hot and the highlight for me was one of my favorite live Brothers tracks "You Don't Love Me". You can hear elements of the later version that is on the original Fillmore East album but with interesting twists. The playing is much looser and more improvised IMO and the famous Betts solo is very similar to the Fillmore East version but slower with Duane and Berry noodling in the background behind him as opposed to the intense Fillmore East solo with Butch and Jaimoe driving Betts on with their powerhouse drumming.

All in all a very exciting treat awaits us when this box set finally is released.


Image of concert poster where the dates do not align with the comments on what shows will be in the boxset during the broadcast.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/allman-brothers-duane-allman-framed-poster-handbil l-tickets-1971/173849662700?hash=item287a3f54ec:g:c3kAAOSwgX9cmBgY



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  posted on 6/21/2019 at 10:04 AM
Pre sale:
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  posted on 6/21/2019 at 10:18 AM
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Thanks for the notice! I did not see anywhere to preorder the set? Am I missing something?

 

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  posted on 6/21/2019 at 10:56 AM
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  posted on 6/21/2019 at 11:03 AM
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It will be very interesting to see exactly what is on this release … the document states that the recordings are from shows played at Fillmore West on 29th, 30th & 31st Jan 1971 … yet the database here has a four show run from 28th to 31st.

Furthermore, Capt Skipper did work on these recordings for a proposed archival release a few years ago that got shelved and based upon his information there is no recording of the 29th show - which was also reputedly played at Winterland not Fillmore West.

The info gleaned from conversations with Skip and other venerable members of this site is as follows:

01/28/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (1 disc)
{CaptSkipper Remaster available}

Track List: Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Dreams / You Don’t Love Me / Whipping Post

01/29/71 @ Winterland, San Francisco (1 track only – Whipping Post)

Regarding the venue for this show, according to Kim Payne (ABB Roadie) the show on the 29th was actually played at Winterland, and not the Fillmore West. In further discussions about this, Joseph Campbell (ABB Roadie – “Red Dog”) also recalled having to move Greggs Hammond B3 Organ across the city for one show at Winterland after a show at the Fillmore West. So it would seem that although the ABB had originally been booked to play the 28th, 29th, 30th & 31st at the Fillmore West, after playing there on the 28th for some reason (possibly technical or booking issues) they had to move over to Winterland for the show on the 29th, and then go back to the Fillmore for the shows on the 30th & 31st.

There are two bogus versions in circulation purporting to be this show. One is just a copy of 1/28 with a bit of manipulation of the crowd noise and stage banter between the tracks to give the impression that the recording is from a different show. The other is a bit more devious in that it has stage banter from other shows inserted between the tracks. This was proven by sonic analysis (thanks to Steve Cogley aka “oldcoot”) which also showed that some of the tracks had been fabricated by splicing together sections from different recordings.

It is therefore thought that no genuine recording exists of the full show at Winterland on 1/29, however there is a recording from a radio show that is in circulation, where the DJ announces “And now, live from Winterland, here’s Whipping Post from the Allman Brothers”. This one track is considered to be the only authentic recording from the show on 01/29/71, and may well be what has been used on the second of the bogus shows referred to above.

01/30/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (1 disc)
{Remastered Soundboard Recording}

This show falls into a grey area with regards to tradability, as it is a remastered soundboard recording that was prepared as part of the ABB Archive Release programme. The show was never issued, however copies of the show are known to exist in private trading circles.

Track List: Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / Tuning / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Stormy Monday / You Don’t Love Me / Whipping Post

01/31/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (2 discs)
{CaptSkipper Remaster available}

The freely traded version of this show is an audience recording that has the following track list: Disc 1 - Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Hoochie Coochie Man / Dreams … Disc 2 - You Don’t Love Me / Hot ’Lanta / Whipping Post

There is a second version of this show however, which falls into a grey area with regards to tradability as it is a remastered soundboard recording that was prepared as part of the ABB Archive Release programme. The show was never issued, however copies of the show are known to exist in private trading circles with the following track list: Disc 1 - Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Hoochie Coochie Man / Dreams / You Don’t Love Me … Disc 2 - Hot ’Lanta / Whipping Post / One Way Out # / Mountain Jam #

# FillerTracks: “One Way Out” is from the 06/16/71 show at the Municipal Auditorium in Birmingham and “Mountain Jam” is from the 03/13/70 show at the Warehouse in New Orleans.








[Edited on 6/21/2019 by harvey]


Hi Colin!

I strongly suspect that was it is are the 1/28, 1/30 & 1/31 Fillmore shows. Those three shows but not on consecutive nights due to the one off at Winterland on the 29th.

 

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  posted on 6/21/2019 at 11:34 AM
I notice that the picture of the discs has them labeled 1/28/71, 1/29/71, and 1/31/71.


But the picture of the t-shirts lists the dates of 1/29/71, 1/30/71, and 1/31/71.

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  posted on 6/21/2019 at 11:49 AM
Just ordered via Big House website

 

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  posted on 6/21/2019 at 01:41 PM
Yay - Dig that shirt

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  posted on 6/21/2019 at 02:19 PM
Ordered mine today. More Duane and the greatest band in the land.
 

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  posted on 6/21/2019 at 04:07 PM
below is info I saw...
Disc 1, 1/29/1971
Statesboro Blues
Trouble No More
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
Midnight Rider
Dreams
You Don't Love Me
Whipping Post
 
Disc 2, 1/30/1971
Statesboro Blues
Trouble No More
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
Stormy Monday
You Don't Love Me
Whipping Post
 
Disc 3, 1/31/1971 Part I
Statesboro Blues
Trouble No More
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
Midnight Rider
Hoochie Coochie Man
Dreams
You Don't Love Me
 
Disc 4, 1/31/1971 Part II
Hot 'Lanta
Whipping Post
 
Bonus Track:
Mountain Jam Live At The Warehouse, New Orleans, LA 3/13/1970 (first release of this version)

 

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  posted on 6/22/2019 at 01:02 PM
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I notice that the picture of the discs has them labeled 1/28/71, 1/29/71, and 1/31/71.

But the picture of the t-shirts lists the dates of 1/29/71, 1/30/71, and 1/31/71.



What a complete effing shambles … I think that both the T shirts and the Discs are labelled wrongly and that the shows are 1/28, 1/30 and 1/31 …



Sooo...exactly WHO is going to provide the DEFINITIVE answer(s) to the questions around these shows and the recordings thereof: ABB roadies?...curators/producers of this set, i.e., Bill Levenson; Kirk West or other historians of the band...ALL OF THE ABOVE???...Or is this NOT meant to be a comprehensive package a la The Complete Fillmore East Recordings?---will that package come at the 75th anniversary of the band??...Inquiring minds, fans, purchasers and otherwise, would like to know...After all, this is not the proverbial rocket science: legitimate research should be able to determine what's what, down to the finest detail, and if some contradictions of info remain after such research, LET US ALL KNOW!?!?!?....don't just trot it out there like it's the Holy Grail (you know who you are in that respect!!?!!)

 

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  posted on 6/22/2019 at 04:18 PM
I'm just glad that this is being released. We can debate dates and what not until the truth be known, but in the meantime let's all just enjoy some more Duane and the boys.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2019 at 05:47 PM
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I'm just glad that this is being released. We can debate dates and what not until the truth be known, but in the meantime let's all just enjoy some more Duane and the boys.


I am with you brother. I am just happy they finally decided to release these shows. It would be interesting to know the real dates and if they are complete setlists but it won't stop me from enjoying the music.

If the powers to be are listening how about a Warehouse box set next! Butch (RIP) said the band has the tapes.

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  posted on 6/22/2019 at 07:01 PM
https://soundcloud.com/rollingstone/allman-brothers-trouble-no-more

A taste

 

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  posted on 6/23/2019 at 03:59 AM
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I notice that the picture of the discs has them labeled 1/28/71, 1/29/71, and 1/31/71.

But the picture of the t-shirts lists the dates of 1/29/71, 1/30/71, and 1/31/71.



Previous research suggests that both the T shirts and the Discs are labelled wrongly and that the recorded shows are 1/28, 1/30 and 1/31 … but it would be nice to know what info is available from the keepers of these master tapes … I was really hoping that this release would confirm the recording dates for us one way or another … but like all of us I am glad that the shows are finally being made available.


 

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  posted on 6/23/2019 at 07:00 AM
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?

 

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  posted on 6/23/2019 at 09:45 AM
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Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?



None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.

Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.

A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.

Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.

 

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Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?



None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.

Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.

A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.

Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.



I am not sure they really know what dates they have as during the original Sirius broadcast Scamardo said it was from the 29th but Duane said they enjoyed the first 3 night so someone is confused.

I have confidence one of the hardcore collectors here will sort it out once we get these CD's and they can compare them to what they have in their collections.

 

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  posted on 6/23/2019 at 01:43 PM
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Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?



None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.

Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.

A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.

Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.



Is it too much to ask for definitive information in the liner notes accompanying this set???...NO!!!!!....This seemingly half-assed mess reminds me...AGAIN!!!....the ABB organization needs to hire its own David Lemieux....Holman!?!?!?....Lehman!?!?!?----SPEND THE MONEY!?!?!?!

 

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  posted on 6/23/2019 at 02:31 PM
Have to say I'm somewhat surprised by that cover art....just Duane. That seems to
go against everything that the original band represented. Just sayin'. Having said that,
I am slobbering in anticipation of it's release.

 

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Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?



None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.

Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.

A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.

Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.



Doesn't the recording played on Sirius/XM call into question the dating of the circulating 1/31 audience tape? My copies of 1/31 don't appear to be cut following "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" and you hear "Turn up the organ a bit and the mic" then "This is a song off our new record." Unless the recording that Sirius/XM played was a compilation professionally constructed with songs & comments from different nights to appear to be all from the same night, doesn't it suggest that what is circulating as 1/31 can't be 1/31, because it is missing the "...last three nights...."comment?

In addition, the stage banter at the end of the sample that is up on the Rolling Stone site of "Trouble No More" matches the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" stage banter, "A little more vocal & a little more organ please through the monitor please." This could match the complete stage banter between "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" on the 1/28 audience but all of the copies I have has a cut after the 2nd "thank you" and before "this is off our 2nd album." So that could add to the premise that the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 is actually 1/28, but then where did the comment "... something will screw up on you every time. We pay our road managers $10 a week and everything they can steal...." after "Statesboro Blues" on the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 come from?

As stated by several others, hopefully the box set liner notes or booklet will have the answers.

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Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?



None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.

Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.

A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.


Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.



Doesn't the recording played on Sirius/XM call into question the dating of the circulating 1/31 audience tape? My copies of 1/31 don't appear to be cut following "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" and you hear "Turn up the organ a bit and the mic" then "This is a song off our new record." Unless the recording that Sirius/XM played was a compilation professionally constructed with songs & comments from different nights to appear to be all from the same night, doesn't it suggest that what is circulating as 1/31 can't be 1/31, because it is missing the "...last three nights...."comment?

In addition, the stage banter at the end of the sample that is up on the Rolling Stone site of "Trouble No More" matches the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" stage banter, "A little more vocal & a little more organ please through the monitor please." This could match the complete stage banter between "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" on the 1/28 audience but all of the copies I have has a cut after the 2nd "thank you" and before "this is off our 2nd album." So that could add to the premise that the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 is actually 1/28, but then where did the comment "... something will screw up on you every time. We pay our road managers $10 a week and everything they can steal...." after "Statesboro Blues" on the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 come from?

As stated by several others, hopefully the box set liner notes or booklet will have the answers.

[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]

[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]


If only for the sake of those purchasers who are serious fans, perhaps the producers of the set--or individuals with equal or even greater credibility--can state unequivocally exactly what is in this set BEFORE it comes out!? Or are there too many involved too eager to just get it out rather than get it out right?

 

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  posted on 6/24/2019 at 10:36 AM
Since none of this has been officially soundboard source released, I'll buy it as a great addition. While date correctness would be really nice, I can't see how it will impact me one way or another. This stuff is from another era. Stuff scribbled on tape boxes. Tapes being passed around and held by different people over time. Maybe tapes got put in wrong boxes. Factor in a couple to few reels per show. Not sure why tape trading dates should be trusted over any other. I would take all with a grain of salt.

I didn't glean that anything analog pure was being released. Still happy with any sonic release.

 

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