Don't click or your IP will be banned


Hittin' The Web with the Allman Brothers Band Forum
You are not logged in

< Last Thread   Next Thread ><<  3    4    5    6  >>Ascending sortDescending sorting  
Author: Subject: Alabama outlaws abortion

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 19618
(20084 all sites)
Registered: 1/19/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 6/10/2019 at 06:16 PM
A hotel owner decided to do something for the women from southern states who want an abortion but cannot get one in their home states. Give them a free hotel stay, and transportation to and from the place where they will get an abortion.

https://www.kmov.com/news/a-michigan-hotel-is-offering-free-accommodations- for-anyone-traveling/article_9c2d9b05-6e6b-58f6-b4eb-d96e9e95223c.html

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/yale-hotel-michigan-abortion_n_5cfd0675e4b02 ee347789213


So Shelley O'Brien, manager of The Yale Hotel in the tiny Michigan town of Yale, made an offer to anyone traveling out of their state for the procedure: Come to Michigan and stay at her hotel for free.

"Dear sisters that live in Alabama, Ohio, Georgia, Arkansas, Missouri, or any of the other states that follow with similar laws restricting access, We cannot do anything about the way you are being treated in your home-state," the post reads.

"But, if you can make it to Michigan, we will support you with several nights lodging, and transportation to and from your appointment," the post reads.

It was a bold stance for the mother of three to take in her largely conservative town that's home to fewer than 2,000 people. But O'Brien said she felt it was important.

"Women should have autonomy over their own bodies," she said. "If we do not have control over our own bodies, then this is not a free world."

The debate goes on.

[Edited on 6/10/2019 by gina]

 

____________________
"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 19618
(20084 all sites)
Registered: 1/19/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 6/10/2019 at 06:21 PM
And this man wants to pay for the abortions for any women who need them.

"And in the wake of all this news, one unsuspecting ally has come forward: the founder and CEO of SeekingArrangement, Brandon Wade. SeekingArrangement is a popular (and controversial) site that describes itself as connecting "Sugar Babies" to "Sugar Daddies or Mommas" in order to create "mutually beneficial relationships."

Wade said he learned that these types of laws are designed to hurt "the weakest and the poorest" among us. "If lawmakers will not step in and help these desperate women, then I will," he said. "Although Alabama’s law has yet to take effect, I’m working proactively with Zoe to launch a charity, Fight Against Poverty, so that when any state makes the decision to deny women the right to make choices about her body, we can help. We will provide women and families, who cannot afford to provide for themselves, travel out of their home state to access proper healthcare and to exercise their right, their choice."

https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a27748656/brandon-wade-seeking arrangement-abortion-charity/


 

____________________
"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4009
(4015 all sites)
Registered: 10/5/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 6/10/2019 at 06:29 PM
You wonder how many of those who are anti choice are also anti Medicaid expansion. Think about it. They are pro birth but really not pro life. Make sure that in many cases the baby is born but the heck with the medical care after the fact.

Maybe these anti people should step up to the plate and be the first to adopt. It's great to be judged by someone who doesn't know you nor your socio-economic background than for them to adopt the baby. Better to force political and religious beliefs on strangers than to adopt.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 19748
(19808 all sites)
Registered: 2/9/2006
Status: Online

  posted on 6/11/2019 at 11:41 AM
quote:
Maybe these anti people should step up to the plate and be the first to adopt.


Absolutely spot on.

 

____________________

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 19618
(20084 all sites)
Registered: 1/19/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 6/15/2019 at 02:29 PM
quote:
You wonder how many of those who are anti choice are also anti Medicaid expansion. Think about it. They are pro birth but really not pro life. Make sure that in many cases the baby is born but the heck with the medical care after the fact.

Maybe these anti people should step up to the plate and be the first to adopt. It's great to be judged by someone who doesn't know you nor your socio-economic background than for them to adopt the baby. Better to force political and religious beliefs on strangers than to adopt.


Nobody should be forcing anything on anybody, but there are many issues involved.
1) Should the govt. and or insurance companies pay for the procedures?
2) Should there be criminal penalties levied on the Doctors and/or women who get them?
3) Is it right to force a woman to carry a child she does not want and has no way to take care of?
4) Would it lead to the govt. instituting eugenics on poor women or just denying them funds for the procedure?
5) Should states just take care of it themselves without any Supreme Court intervention like the Roe v Wade legislation, what role should the federal govt. have in it?


https://news.yahoo.com/illinois-governor-signs-bill-scrapping-192503045.htm l;_ylt=A2KLfSvPRAVdgBcAPSxXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEycHBtMWNzBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBH Z0aWQDQjY4MzNfMQRzZWMDc2M-

The Reproductive Health Act states that “a fertilized egg, embryo, or fetus does not have independent rights under the laws of this state” and that an individual has a “fundamental right” to abortion.

“If you believe in standing up for women’s fundamental rights, Illinois is a beacon of hope in the heart of this nation,” Pritzker said before signing the law. “We trust women.”

The bill scraps a requirement that a second physician sign off on an abortion performed after viability (around 24 weeks) and permits the procedure for the “health of the patient,” which includes “all factors that are relevant to the patient’s health and well-being, including, but not limited to, physical, emotional, psychological, and familial health and age.”

The law also repeals Illinois’s Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act, although that procedure, usually performed extremely late in a pregnancy, is still prohibited by federal law. Certain non-doctor medical professionals would be permitted to perform abortions under the law, and all health insurers would be required to cover the procedure.

The Thomas More Society, a Chicago-based pro-life law firm, accused the state of “legalizing the death penalty, with no possibility of appeal, for viable unborn preemies” in passing the law. The group’s vice president, Peter Breen, a former Illinois representative, called the bill “the most radical sweeping pro-abortion measure in America” and said it “makes Illinois an abortion destination for the country.”

Remarks: The way the Governor of Illinois wrote the legislation, that the egg, embryo, or fetus does not have INDEPENDENT rights under the legislation in the state of Illinois, means that it is not a separate entity entitled to any Constitutional right because it is part of the Mother and the “health of the patient,” which includes “all factors that are relevant to the patient’s health and well-being, including, but not limited to, physical, emotional, psychological, and familial health and age.” He includes ALL factors of the Mother's health including emotional, psychological. It seems like he pretty much covers all the bases, whereas others who drafted legislation focused on abortion only if the Mother's life/health was in jeopardy. He is not separating the physical health of the woman from the rest of her.

It will continue to be an issue of contention and dissention. Medical issues are best decided between a patient and their Doctor rather than an insurance review board. In any case I do not think anyone should be charged with felonies for performing or getting an abortion; but women need to know there are alternatives, and adoption gives the child a chance to have a life that would otherwise be snuffed out. She should not be shamed for feeling 'I cannot deal with this', two people can make a mistake, accidents happen, but the child should have a chance to live if communities can provide the services for this.

 

____________________
"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 19618
(20084 all sites)
Registered: 1/19/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 6/15/2019 at 02:33 PM
quote:
You wonder how many of those who are anti choice are also anti Medicaid expansion. Think about it. They are pro birth but really not pro life. Make sure that in many cases the baby is born but the heck with the medical care after the fact.

Maybe these anti people should step up to the plate and be the first to adopt. It's great to be judged by someone who doesn't know you nor your socio-economic background than for them to adopt the baby. Better to force political and religious beliefs on strangers than to adopt.


What do you mean by Medicaid expansion? California recently passed legislation to provide Medicaid for undocumented people, ie. those crossing our borders illegally, who want to stay and live here. They will receive Medicaid, and free education in California, even though they are not citizens. The non-citizenship becomes a techicality, and it is nice being called 'undocumented' than an illegal alien, which sounds like someone from outer space.

With the insurance crisis in our country, should we be providing undocumented citizens with medical care beyond the vaccinations/immunizations necessary at border crossings? What is our responsibility in this regard?

 

____________________
"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4009
(4015 all sites)
Registered: 10/5/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 6/16/2019 at 05:16 PM
quote:
quote:
You wonder how many of those who are anti choice are also anti Medicaid expansion. Think about it. They are pro birth but really not pro life. Make sure that in many cases the baby is born but the heck with the medical care after the fact.

Maybe these anti people should step up to the plate and be the first to adopt. It's great to be judged by someone who doesn't know you nor your socio-economic background than for them to adopt the baby. Better to force political and religious beliefs on strangers than to adopt.


What do you mean by Medicaid expansion? California recently passed legislation to provide Medicaid for undocumented people, ie. those crossing our borders illegally, who want to stay and live here. They will receive Medicaid, and free education in California, even though they are not citizens. The non-citizenship becomes a techicality, and it is nice being called 'undocumented' than an illegal alien, which sounds like someone from outer space.

With the insurance crisis in our country, should we be providing undocumented citizens with medical care beyond the vaccinations/immunizations necessary at border crossings? What is our responsibility in this regard?


Medicaid expansion - You list one of fifty states as an example. That's statistically significant? Why don't you expand the discussion into states who have shut down expansion or are attempting to not expand.

Your paragraph 2 - Who is talking about undocumented citizens? Oh...it's you. The original post never mentioned nor implied that.

 

Sublime Peach



Karma:
Posts: 7375
(7375 all sites)
Registered: 7/18/2010
Status: Offline

  posted on 6/16/2019 at 05:48 PM
quote:
someone from outer space



 
<<  3    4    5    6  >>  


Powered by XForum 1.81.1 by Trollix Software

Privacy | Terms of Service | Report Infringement | Personal Data Management | Contact Us
The ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND name, The ALLMAN BROTHERS name, likenesses, logos, mushroom design and peach truck are all registered trademarks of THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. whose rights are specifically reserved. Any artwork, visual, or audio representations used on this web site CONTAINING ANY REGISTERED TRADEMARKS are under license from The ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. A REVOCABLE, GRATIS LICENSE IS GRANTED TO ALL REGISTERED PEACH CORP MEMBERS FOR The DOWNLOADING OF ONE COPY FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY. ANY DISTRIBUTION OR REPRODUCTION OF THE TRADEMARKS CONTAINED HEREIN ARE PROHIBITED AND ARE SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO.,INC.
site by Hittin' the Web Group with www.experiencewasabi3d.com