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  posted on 5/16/2019 at 04:59 PM
Its that "she got drunk" stuff, man you are blaming them.
 

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  posted on 5/16/2019 at 05:01 PM
I am right there with you Brer on the consequences for the mans choices. 99.9999% of our countries problems can be traced back to a MAN that made bad choices.

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Its that "she got drunk" stuff, man you are blaming them.
It's an example. Maybe she wasn't drunk maybe she was just horny. Or maybe she was pressured. The dude is definitely 50% responsible no doubt. Point is MOST of the time is poor choices.

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  posted on 5/16/2019 at 05:01 PM
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Exactly and why should a woman who get's drunk, isn't careful, makes bad choices have a choice that terminates a life in order to avoid the consequences? The drunk driver sure doesn't have that choice. Nor does the rapist, the murderer or the embezzler. Life is full of choices and they all have consequences.

You're comparing unprotected sex with violent felony crimes. Then it's a crystal-clear yes, she gets a do-over.

 

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So choices have consequences unless you are a female that got pregnant by mistake?

 

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  posted on 5/16/2019 at 05:17 PM
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You been watching the news? The Governor of VA explained it so even I could understand.


Well, you don't understand it then. Northam was referring to exactly the type of case I mentioned:
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in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus thatís non-viable


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-northam-abortion-execute/

Trump (and others) then went on to bizarrely mischaracterize this situation as infanticide. I know someone who went through this, the baby's organs were growing outside of it's own body and could not survive, possibly to term. For the mother's health, the baby was terminated before it could die inside of her. They wanted a child, it was not what they desired or a decision that was made lightly (they name her and celebrate her birthday even after two healthy kids). But it was a choice they made. And it's complete bull **** the way it has been falsely characterized.

 

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  posted on 5/16/2019 at 05:40 PM
Hmmmmm, not a single female comment in this thread.

 

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  posted on 5/16/2019 at 05:49 PM
Well Hemp, you asked. I think adoption is better than abortion. If the ladies find themselves pregnant and do not want to be, or are unable to take care of a child, they can allow others who really want one to adopt the child. If the mass of protoplasm would become a child if they did not abort it, then it already is one, so they need to think differently about it. In abortion, they rip the parts off the fetus it is gross, and they put a bucket at the bottom the table where the woman's body drains into. They do not just go in with a medical dust buster vacuum suction device and take it out all nicely.

Some of the legislation would put women in prison for having abortions. I don't think that is the answer either. I think Georgia just passed or is trying to pass something like that. Adoption hurts no one. Isn't that a better alternative to this problem? The women who are having abortions are killing something that is alive inside them, they do not have a right to kill, if they killed a regular person who was walking around, it would be considered murder. Just because the fetus doesn't talk, walk doesn't mean it is nothing or has no right. If it doesn't want to come into this world, it will miscarry or God has mercy on it and says okay you don't have to go there into that cold, cruel world. The decision should rest with God, not pharmaceutical companies making abortion pills for women who need one. IF THEY DON"T WANT THE CHILD, ADOPTION WILL TAKE CARE OF IT AND HARM NO ONE. BETTER SOLUTION.

 

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  posted on 5/16/2019 at 06:11 PM
Thank you Gina

 

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  posted on 5/16/2019 at 06:19 PM
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So choices have consequences unless you are a female that got pregnant by mistake?

I'm not sure why are equating "mistakenly" getting pregnant, which is not a crime, with VIOLENT FELONEY CRIME. Rape and murder are not "mistakes".

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  posted on 5/16/2019 at 07:05 PM
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Hmmmmm, not a single female comment in this thread.


You hadn't noticed the WP has been a sausage fest for maybe the last three or four years by now? We are like those POWs who have to play both roles when we put on plays.

 

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  posted on 5/16/2019 at 07:55 PM
pretty cool , three pages in on a highly charged subject and no flaming. good work folks
 

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  posted on 5/16/2019 at 08:54 PM
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Well Hemp, you asked. I think adoption is better than abortion. If the ladies find themselves pregnant and do not want to be, or are unable to take care of a child, they can allow others who really want one to adopt the child. If the mass of protoplasm would become a child if they did not abort it, then it already is one, so they need to think differently about it. In abortion, they rip the parts off the fetus it is gross, and they put a bucket at the bottom the table where the woman's body drains into. They do not just go in with a medical dust buster vacuum suction device and take it out all nicely.

Some of the legislation would put women in prison for having abortions. I don't think that is the answer either. I think Georgia just passed or is trying to pass something like that. Adoption hurts no one. Isn't that a better alternative to this problem? The women who are having abortions are killing something that is alive inside them, they do not have a right to kill, if they killed a regular person who was walking around, it would be considered murder. Just because the fetus doesn't talk, walk doesn't mean it is nothing or has no right. If it doesn't want to come into this world, it will miscarry or God has mercy on it and says okay you don't have to go there into that cold, cruel world. The decision should rest with God, not pharmaceutical companies making abortion pills for women who need one. IF THEY DON"T WANT THE CHILD, ADOPTION WILL TAKE CARE OF IT AND HARM NO ONE. BETTER SOLUTION.



"The women who are having abortions are killing something that is alive inside them, they do not have a right to kill, if they killed a regular person who was walking around, it would be considered murder."

Yes they do have that right, it was decided in our lifetime that they have that right. A regular person walking around, no, illegal. An unborn living thing inside of them, yes, legal the court has said.

Why do so many people, the pro life group, think they should have influence over somebody else's decisions and life? The baby isn't theirs, why care? Why can't they just mind their own business?

 

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  posted on 5/17/2019 at 03:24 PM
There are many issues surrounding the controversy. Firstly how is abortion a Constitutional right as some claim? It has been said that it is covered under privacy laws of the Constitution.

The states are having their own statewide debates and enacting legislation in their own state regarding the issue, what right do they have to do this, if doing that is unconstitutional?

As someone pointed out today, birth control is widely available, pregnancy can be prevented. If it occurs then options should be made to the pregnant woman, adoption is the one which harms no one. Of course there are other issues, heavily pregnant women could have a hard time working full time jobs, states or the fed would have to grant them paid leave when they need it, ie. the first three months with morning sickness, if they are throwing up a lot, it would be hard to work most jobs. Either disability laws would have to be expanded so they could collect as necessary or something else would need to be done.

I believe people do need to have choices.

But they already do,

1) They can abstain from sex till marriage - then there is no worry because most pregnant wives do not have abortions.

2) They can use birth control preventing most pregnancies. Pick whatever form you like. Become educated and do not have sex during the 3 days a month when you can become (14-17 days of their cycle).

3) Enjoy their life and not worry about it, and if they become pregnant and are unable to take on the responsibility of raising a child, let someone else adopt it.

Those are choices already available. There ARE choices. No one is even trying to tell them what their moral code has to be. That is up to them.


This is a true story, a friend of mine's sister had this boyfriend we considered to be a jerk, she said he wanted to have sex with her but she did not want to become pregnant, and it came down to since the free clinic was too far away and she had no way to get there, if I would drive her there for birth control, then she would have sex, otherwise she would abstain. Even though I thought the boyfriend was a jerk, my friend and I drove her there so that she would be able to have a choice. Taking her there did not mean she would have to have sex with him, but if she did, she could at least be protected. She did have sex with him and later on dumped him. Now has a good husband, life, etc.

We should at least make contraception available to all women/girls who want it, without requiring parental consent.


https://www.fastcompany.com/90350385/this-map-shows-abortion-bans-by-u-s-st ate-in-2019?ref=hvper.com

https://www.al.com/news/2019/05/alabama-abortion-ban-passes-read-the-bill.h tml

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/19/18412384/georgia-abortion -heartbeat-bill-ohio-2019-iowa

https://news.yahoo.com/rnc-chairwoman-ronna-mcdaniel-says-194224694.html;_y lt=A0geKecHFt9c9QoA.hVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyZGs5bDRnBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aW QDQjc2NzZfMQRzZWMDc2M-


I do not agree with imprisoning any women or Doctors. Just charge the doctors a fine so that it is not financially worth it to them to be performing the procedures. Withhold insurance company financing for it.

With regards to pregnancies resultant from rapes, if they are unable to love the child as an innocent, the child knows nothing, then give it up for adoption. I would support the paternal father (rapist) having NO parental rights whatsoever in regards to the child.

We as a nation have to provide alternatives to what we are doing now. There can be places set up for the women to live in safety until they deliver their children where they can continue their education and get supportive counseling because any person who is considering an abortion is basically on their own, their boyfriend is not willing to make a long term relationship with them and help raise the child, if they are young they have family trauma/drama that they are unprepared to deal with, if they are trying to work they will need paid time off and supportive services. With the money reimbursed to hospitals and Dr.'s we could use that money to provide services for the women.








[Edited on 5/17/2019 by gina]

 

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  posted on 5/17/2019 at 04:20 PM
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They can use birth control preventing most pregnancies. Pick whatever form you like. Become educated and do not have sex during the 3 days a month when you can become (14-17 days of their cycle)


Is there still a way to blame men with this theory?

 

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  posted on 5/18/2019 at 10:00 AM
Is there still a way to blame men if you are pro-choice?
 

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  posted on 5/18/2019 at 10:27 AM
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When does life begin?


Life as a separate entity begins with the spermatozoa. A sperm is an independent mobile carbon based life form, with a programmed rudimentary intelligence to carry out its mission. it even has a spine, while the egg is a passive and inactive element of the female reproductive system.

Every sperm is sacred. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bzVHjg3AqIQ


 

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  posted on 5/18/2019 at 09:28 PM
It's mind-boggling that abortion is a single issue vote for some people in 2019. Aren't there about 10 other issues one can name that are more important to the security & stability of the US?

Abortion is legal. The law in Alabama is unconstitutional & will be struck down in the lowest federal court.



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  posted on 5/18/2019 at 09:56 PM
Glad I got to read the unredacted version. Well said.

Any man who has ever given himself a "dishonorable discharge" is guilty of the termination of hundreds of millions of potential human lives - and should be executed for genocide.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2019 at 01:53 AM
Fascinating thread with a lot of (mostly) intelligent male views.
There are so many factors/reasons why abortion might be someone's choice.
Sure Gina, you gave a few options one could consider instead however, there is a situation that stands out to me in which abortion would be the obvious choice.
If you became pregnant (by choice), but your health took a turn for to the worse and the medical advice was "If you continue this pregnancy you may not survive" would you continue with it? Or would you save your life? I know what I'd choose.

Us women should all gather and pass laws where all males get a vasectomy (but its reversible !) until the woman is ready for that male to reproduce. Solves a lot of issues. Dont agree? How dare a woman make such a choice for the male body? Right. Back off and let women make the choice for ourselves

 

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It's mind-boggling that abortion is a single issue vote for some people in 2019. Aren't there about 10 other issues one can name that are more important to the security & stability of the US?





In a nutshell, the most profound statement in this thread.

 

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When does life begin?


Life as a separate entity begins with the spermatozoa. A sperm is an independent mobile carbon based life form, with a programmed rudimentary intelligence to carry out its mission. it even has a spine, while the egg is a passive and inactive element of the female reproductive system.

Every sperm is sacred. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bzVHjg3AqIQ




Scientific experiment it is!

 

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  posted on 5/19/2019 at 07:43 AM
Not to get into the middle of this debate, which is pointless in my opinion. Is anyone going to change someone else's opinion on this?

But something kind of related. When I was in high school when a girl got pregnant she was shipped to a special school for girls that were "that way". Even even I thought is was really wrong.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2019 at 09:15 AM
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It's mind-boggling that abortion is a single issue vote for some people in 2019.


What's "mind boggling" about it?...At least they are going to the Polls and participating in the process. What is mind boggling is the number of citizens who don't Vote at all.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2019 at 10:07 AM
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Us women should all gather and pass laws where all males get a vasectomy (but its reversible !) until the woman is ready for that male to reproduce. Solves a lot of issues. Dont agree? How dare a woman make such a choice for the male body? Right. Back off and let women make the choice for ourselves


Great to hear a female perspective for once around here. About time, on a topic that impacts women so severely.

If laws were passed controlling anything on the male side, even some little thing like say mandatory condom use, there would be mass noncompliance, probably riots and war.




 

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Us women should all gather and pass laws where all males get a vasectomy (but its reversible !) until the woman is ready for that male to reproduce. Solves a lot of issues. Dont agree? How dare a woman make such a choice for the male body? Right. Back off and let women make the choice for ourselves


Great to hear a female perspective for once around here. About time, on a topic that impacts women so severely.

If laws were passed controlling anything on the male side, even some little thing like say mandatory condom use, there would be mass noncompliance, probably riots and war.


This will have validity the moment Men can give birth, until that time, women have the power to control the choice concerning the responsibility of becoming pregnant.

 

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