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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 12:07 PM
hahaha - gotta love this, egghead posts about Miles, Coltrane, Mtn Jam, a one word post "Kiss" appears. lol, man you just gotta put on those headphones and keep spinnin that Kiss until you UNDERSTAND.
 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 12:57 PM
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For some weird reason despite the audio assault Coltrane beckons.


Here's a really great video that breaks down "Giant Steps". Not trying to change anyone's mind or tastes - I'm not always in the mood for Coltrane or a huge fan either - but helps to understand, or at least appreciate, just what Coltrane was doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62tIvfP9A2w

And here is Coltrane's "circle of 5ths" which diagrams his changes, which might sound random but are almost mathematical.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 01:38 PM
Giant Steps is within reach, 1960, A Love Supreme, what '65, was still on our plane of existence. I was talking about his last couple years before he died, 66-67 starting with Ascension, then even further out -his music alienated his fans, it is extremely demanding . Folks were walking out of his shows in droves by then. You have to engage and actively listen.
 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 03:54 PM
Forgot the biggest mystery to me - Buffett.
 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 05:20 PM
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And here is Coltrane's "circle of 5ths" which diagrams his changes, which might sound random but are almost mathematical.



Enlightening. Thanks.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 05:25 PM
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Giant Steps is within reach, 1960, A Love Supreme, what '65, was still on our plane of existence. I was talking about his last couple years before he died, 66-67 starting with Ascension, then even further out -his music alienated his fans, it is extremely demanding . Folks were walking out of his shows in droves by then. You have to engage and actively listen.


It took me a while to "get" him, but now I love Coltrane. Coltrane's Sound, Giant Steps, A Love Supreme, among others from that era are staples. Live at the Vanguard is a great box set, but Chasin the Trane is beyond me.
His later stuff is still beyond me and I don't listen

The 1st Miles record I bought was Kind of Blue - as soon as I dropped the needle on it I went nuts over it. I love that era and the Quintet that followed. It took me longer to get into his fusion stuff - some I really like, some I dont.

Bird, Monk - loved immediately

Oddly enough, it took me a little while to fully get my favorite rock bands, except the Beatles. I liked the ABB AFE album when I bought it (especially Stormy Monday - part of my screen name), but it took a few listens to fully appreciate WP.
Same for the Dead - some tunes I liked right away (I Know You Rider - the rest of my screen name) but the longer jams took more time to get into. Same is true for Phish
Now I love pretty much everything by all of those bands, ESPECIALLY the long jams

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 05:38 PM
ELO
Dave Mathews Band
Guns & Roses
Rush
Bon Jovi
Hair & Metal Bands

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 05:45 PM
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Forgot the biggest mystery to me - Buffett.


One of a small handful of shows I've walked out on before the show was anywhere near finished.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 06:15 PM
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Forgot the biggest mystery to me - Buffett.
parrot heads are a cult.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 09:16 PM
<< I don't think you should have to work to "get" music. >>

I half agree with this. Many of my favorite songs entered my heart instantly.

I'll offer two "howevers":

1. Some songs that are instantly pleasing do not have staying power. Sometimes it is not the song's fault; the darned thing just gets overplayed. But sometimes the same catchiness that made it instantly appealing becomes cloying, or does not reward repeated listening.

2. Some of what become my favorite songs do take me a while to get used to. Sometimes the song is just far out or outside of my expectations. It could be that a band keeps changing (King Crimson, Miles Davis, Wilco) so it takes me a while to appreciate the new sound and not merely miss the old sound.

Sometimes the song has odd or dissonant qualities that just take a while to wrap your head around. I liken this to certain flavors, like broccoli rabe or hoppy IPAs; they might just be too bitter or too SOMETHING at first, but once you get the taste, you crave it.

Music, literature, food, movies, human beings - sometimes the strange stuff that takes some getting used to becomes your favorites.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 09:37 PM
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Giant Steps is within reach, 1960, A Love Supreme, what '65, was still on our plane of existence. I was talking about his last couple years before he died, 66-67 starting with Ascension, then even further out -his music alienated his fans, it is extremely demanding . Folks were walking out of his shows in droves by then. You have to engage and actively listen.


It took me a while to "get" him, but now I love Coltrane. Coltrane's Sound, Giant Steps, A Love Supreme, among others from that era are staples. Live at the Vanguard is a great box set, but Chasin the Trane is beyond me.
His later stuff is still beyond me and I don't listen

The 1st Miles record I bought was Kind of Blue - as soon as I dropped the needle on it I went nuts over it. I love that era and the Quintet that followed. It took me longer to get into his fusion stuff - some I really like, some I dont.

Bird, Monk - loved immediately

Oddly enough, it took me a little while to fully get my favorite rock bands, except the Beatles. I liked the ABB AFE album when I bought it (especially Stormy Monday - part of my screen name), but it took a few listens to fully appreciate WP.
Same for the Dead - some tunes I liked right away (I Know You Rider - the rest of my screen name) but the longer jams took more time to get into. Same is true for Phish
Now I love pretty much everything by all of those bands, ESPECIALLY the long jams


Coltrane's first "Live at The Village Vanguard" which i heard when I was 13 changed my life and musical tastes forever. Agree with the progression of being out there. His later work with Pharoh Sanders sounded like birds ripping the flesh off each other.

Coltrane; then the Doors then ABB (which led me to the blues. had to be the only kid in my school who owned a Willie McTell record

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 09:38 PM
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Steely Dan is another one.



Onlt concert my sona and I walked out at the end and both shrugged

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 09:39 PM
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Forgot the biggest mystery to me - Buffett.


Quite simple. People like to drink and party too much. The man is a genius; parlayed one song into a billion dollar empire.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 12:17 AM
I absolutely don't get Phish

https://youtu.be/aNHIFM0Y87c

And yes, this ^ is what I hear

 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 08:39 AM
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Forgot the biggest mystery to me - Buffett.


Quite simple. People like to drink and party too much. The man is a genius; parlayed one song into a billion dollar empire.



he has a few big well known tunes
cheeseburger in paradise
it's 5 o' clock somewhere
margaritaville
come monday (imo his best song)

 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 09:24 AM
ELP. Talented musicians but boring. Same way I feel about Clapton.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 11:28 AM
Bloody hell, i forgot to mention KISS. Good call Pops42! How could i have forgotten to mention them.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 11:28 AM
Bloody hell, i forgot to mention KISS. Good call Pops42! How could i have forgotten to mention them.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 11:42 AM
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I absolutely don't get Phish

https://youtu.be/aNHIFM0Y87c

And yes, this ^ is what I hear


That vid is too hilarious - a friend sent it to me, it had me in tears, almost choked I was at a diner, had to shut it off.

So yeah, never got Phish myself. Didn't grab me enough to try. Gotta be some draw at first, with Phish, it was a pushaway. Just seemed kind of contrived. Changed my mind some recently - very much dug a recent live of the Anastasio Band, 2016 Red Rocks however, solid, very tight, great horns, good god the trombone girl was as hot as her chops.


 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 12:00 PM
I challenge anyone to get this - Mick Jagger and David Bowie Dancin In the Street:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BHkhIjG0DKc


 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 12:28 PM
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<< I don't think you should have to work to "get" music. >>

I half agree with this. Many of my favorite songs entered my heart instantly.

I'll offer two "howevers":

1. Some songs that are instantly pleasing do not have staying power. Sometimes it is not the song's fault; the darned thing just gets overplayed. But sometimes the same catchiness that made it instantly appealing becomes cloying, or does not reward repeated listening.

2. Some of what become my favorite songs do take me a while to get used to. Sometimes the song is just far out or outside of my expectations. It could be that a band keeps changing (King Crimson, Miles Davis, Wilco) so it takes me a while to appreciate the new sound and not merely miss the old sound.

Sometimes the song has odd or dissonant qualities that just take a while to wrap your head around. I liken this to certain flavors, like broccoli rabe or hoppy IPAs; they might just be too bitter or too SOMETHING at first, but once you get the taste, you crave it.

Music, literature, food, movies, human beings - sometimes the strange stuff that takes some getting used to becomes your favorites.


Agree! Agree! Agree! Good stuff can eventually get through, even if strange or just different at first. Love the mention of of the other categories of the arts and people too. To extend it a bit further I'd like to add cultures. Been fortunate enough to visit and even live in other countries. Viva la difference! Wish everyone had the opportunity. Can add so many more colors to your palette.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 01:47 PM
Absolutely - could start a new thread on what you didn't get at first but ended up into. I am always searching for new sounds.
 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 03:35 PM
Arcade Fire
1980's and on Aerosmith

 

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  posted on 5/10/2019 at 02:51 PM
Sorry people, Derek and Susan, in one ear and out the other.

 

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  posted on 5/10/2019 at 03:06 PM
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Forgot the biggest mystery to me - Buffett.


Quite simple. People like to drink and party too much. The man is a genius; parlayed one song into a billion dollar empire.



he has a few big well known tunes
cheeseburger in paradise
it's 5 o' clock somewhere
margaritaville
come monday (imo his best song)


Come Monday is a beautiful tune. But come on, we all you he made his fortune off of one song.

 

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