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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 11:32 AM
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I think Clapton got out of the gate like a thoroughbred in the 60s and was then caught and passed by quite a few players. His career was dead in the water 'til his appearance on MTV's "Unplugged". Jeff Beck is an absolute beast but never received the kudos because he was never a radio star....Imho, he is waaaay "better" than EC. Derek Trucks is more proficient than EC ...But. once again. most have a difficult time separating a "Grammy" award winner and record sales from "True" ability....


I don’t know where to begin here. Other than, if you’re not a Clapton fan that all good. But, don’t lose credibility by completely trashing him. He’s not everyone’s cup of tea - nobody is - but he’s damn damn good, and IMHO deserves the pedestal upon which he’s often put.

I can’t quite figure out how someone could, with intellectual integrity, challenge Clapton’s skill/chops/whatever.


I like EC, seen him in every decade, going to Phx in Sept to catch him again.....The man is a legend and there is no questioning his skills; don't see him as the best ever.


Im a big EC and Jeff Beck fan, but am not sure how this thread devolved into an EC bash.
I thought it had to do with Duane/Dickey Betts.....

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 11:36 AM
Man if a thread on my guitar playing turned into anything mentioning Clapton positive or negative I would be honored that my name was on the same page!
 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 12:44 PM
The thing with all of the guitarist mentioned is that when they are ( have been) at their best is comes with a high level of confidence in their ability.

For whatever reason I think the switch finally went on for Duane. I first noticed it on the videos surrounding Gregg's funeral jam at the big house... seemed to me that Duane was leading the various groups playing that afternoon...

Have also seen videos of him playing with Warren, Ronnie Earl, Jimmy Vivino and JD Simo recently... seems to be very comfortable.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 01:57 PM
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The thing with all of the guitarist mentioned is that when they are ( have been) at their best is comes with a high level of confidence in their ability.

For whatever reason I think the switch finally went on for Duane. I first noticed it on the videos surrounding Gregg's funeral jam at the big house... seemed to me that Duane was leading the various groups playing that afternoon...

Have also seen videos of him playing with Warren, Ronnie Earl, Jimmy Vivino and JD Simo recently... seems to be very comfortable.


That is what I am seeing. Oddly never saw it in the DB and GS but only after. Was playing in his Dad's band too ominous a shadow? Whatever the case may be, he does seem confident and comfortable. There is a video, and i don't recall where, of Duane playing with Warren in Jamaica i think, and the Mule is playing Mountain Jam. Duane really went off on that one and it really surprised the heck out of me. I remember thinking "wow, he really has the feel now"

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 09:28 PM
Duane Betts' switch was flipped when he was invited Dawes. After a few tours he left Dawes but Duane said he was still good friends with Dawes.

During Duane's last year with Dawes and afterwards his playing improved 10 times over.

When I read Duane was joining Dawes, I was surprised. Duane Betts was an average guitar player who seemed the same to me for 20 years of seeing him sit in with the ABB in the 90s and GS in the 2000s. Something really clicked when he got with Dawes and away from Dickey. But I don't know specifically what caused Duane to have this rebirth if you will.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 08:38 AM
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Duane Betts' switch was flipped when he was invited Dawes. After a few tours he left Dawes but Duane said he was still good friends with Dawes.

During Duane's last year with Dawes and afterwards his playing improved 10 times over.

When I read Duane was joining Dawes, I was surprised. Duane Betts was an average guitar player who seemed the same to me for 20 years of seeing him sit in with the ABB in the 90s and GS in the 2000s. Something really clicked when he got with Dawes and away from Dickey. But I don't know specifically what caused Duane to have this rebirth if you will.


This is an easy one. Experience and constant playing. Just because Dickey stopped touring and playing, didn't mean Duane did. I recall seeing Derek Trucks with his band in early 2000. Thought he was good! But every year I saw him after with either his group or the ABB he got better and better. After his tour with EC, Derek's playing was off the charts good. It's just plain old hard work and experience if you ask me.

Also, Duane and Johnny really capture the ABB sound and vibe more so than any of the other "family" bands. Can't wait to catch them by me in July!!



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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 09:02 AM
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Devon is all facial expressions and no feel.
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Bingo! Always thought he tried too hard as well. Saw him with the Royal Southern Brotherhood and thought Mike Zito outplayed him.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 04:24 PM
So I found the Mountain Jam with Govt Mule and Duane Betts sitting in (Ron Holloway too). This is a smoking sequence of Melissa>Mountain Jam>Melissa. You think Duane was hanging with Warren? Watch Warren give Duane the nod at 13:42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU6XZv3YGT8

 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 04:44 PM
When I was young I used to imagine the ABB covering some of my faves. I once dreamed of ABB playing Layla and it happened. I thought of other songs like Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad. It happened. There were others that didn't make as much sense as there really was no ABB connection, I just liked the songs, Night They Drove Dixie Down, etc. There were so many It got weird when it started happening. BUT I NEVER EVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE ANYONE DO THIS...

Melissa>Mountain Jam>Melissa

But it worked!. I thought Duane did good on Melissa too. Sounded a lot like his dad. I do miss the ABB

 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 04:54 PM
KC Jimmy, Duane sat in on Jessica with the Mule from the same show. Very strange watching Duane and Warren on this tune but Warren seems to smile at times when Duane hits the note.

Duane's tone is so pure and so much like Dickey its scary. I dig watching this stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kAxr-DUWts

 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 05:11 PM
I am very happy to see them doing this. They need a Trucks to sit in. How many little Johnsons are there? Just the daughter if I recall. Wonder if she can sing or play anything?

 

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  posted on 5/13/2019 at 07:29 PM
I guess I was way wrong when I used to think if you were going to be very good it would show up by age 25 or so. I always thought Duane was just average but something happened in the last few years and he has taken off like a rocket. I also thought Derek was just average without a slide on his finger but again something happened and for me his straight lead stuff has just exploded. Of course with a slide he was great in 1st grade.

 

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  posted on 5/13/2019 at 09:51 PM
I finally watched this video! Good stuff indeed.

I'll throw down a few ideas:

1. At a live show where you see the players, some body language matters. One of my guitar heroes is Mick Taylor. Gorgeous player, amazing tone, vibrato, note selection, melodic sense. However, live, at times, especially if the conditions are right, he has looked so painfully uncomfortable that it makes the audience uncomfortable. I remember seeing him at The Wetlands where he was NOT getting the sound he wanted, and he looked like he was in agony, gesticulating at the soundman, frowning, shaking his head, all throughout the sound. Everyone there felt his discomfort and absorbed it, and called it an off night for Mick.

However, the recording of the show sounded just fine. No better or worse than many other shows that tour. My eyes had fooled my ears at that show, in a way.

Our eyes are sensory organs, as are our ears. I'm not saying that every player who dances or plays behind his head sounds great suddenly, but some players do effectively broadcast their notes with their bodies. In an odd way, I learned this when I saw my daughter do ballet; she was illustrating the music with her body.

I think a confident attack on the guitar matters in the snap of the notes - Tommy Bolin had it, Angus Young has it, etc - and we hear that percussive SNAP with our ears - but sometimes our eyes bring that information to us also. It's actually an awful dilemma for me personally, because I do play guitar in a band, and I am a very awkward human being, and I know that I do not sell my solos with my body. I look sheepish at best. I have the facial expression of a middle-aged man holding his kid's Barbie doll at the mall while she goes the bathroom. It's not good.

So it IS good that Duane has gotten that confidence in his body language. He is not doing a Jimi Hendrix humping the guitar in this video, but he has at least reached the David Gilmour body language level.

There is the uber extreme, the Johnny Thunders thing where you play terribly but look confident, and sell it that way, and a certain audience does dig that. I can grok. It is rock'n'roll. I am certainly uneasy with posers who oversell the emphasis on Kool Stage Movezzz. Hair metal had some rough moments, boy. I'm looking at you, JayJay French from Twisted Sister.

2. Confidence in your playing means you can work with what Dickey Betts and a lot of blues players use to perfection: space; holding a note; repetition for effect; tension and release. A great speaker is so confident that he can pause after a line and give "wait time"; he doesn't need to rush to the next words out of a fear of dead air. This is key in a classroom also; a good teacher can ask a question and wait confidently without immediately saying "Bueller? Bueller?" to hasten the answer. A great speaker might repeat the same line a few times to really milk it.
PETITION THE LORD WITH PRAYER? is a classic.
Some guitarists rush to fill the space with different notes, with more notes. They get squirrel fingers. Duane's comfortable, confident sense of knowing he can just do some repetition of the right notes with the right tone without desperately needing to jump into the next thing really works well, and it does take some confidence and knowledge to do that right.

3. Big V, I will be a douche and quibble a little with semantics. It's why I get paid the big bucks. You said "Imho, you want to have a discussion about "Real players"? Let's start with Tommy Emmanuel and go from there..." I would argue that you END with Tommy Emmanuel. He is such a wizard, like a Steve Howe or Danny Gatton or other absolute mutant master of guitar, Joe Pass maybe, atop the pantheon of astonishing jaw-dropping technique meets melody that he is almost incomparable.

I'd say "Let's start with George Harrison or Mike Campbell." Even that is wrong. Those are two guys whose taste, tone, touch, and melodic sensibilities are so amazing that they played guitar lines that the world is STILL SINGING them.

Maybe I'd say "Let's start with George Thoroughgood or the guy from Eddie Money's band who played the solo on 'Two Tickets to Paradise.'"
Thoroughgood ain't no Derek Trucks. I despised him the 80s when I worshipped Lifeson. However - he has mastered his tone, he gets the notes he wants, and they rock the room. We ask the philosophical question "If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, does it make a sound?" Well, we can also ask, "If George Thoroughgood plays a solo at a club and everyone gets up and shakes their tails, how can it not be good?" There is something to recognize there.
That solo in "Two Tickets to Paradise," like the one in "Baker Street" or "So Caught Up In You" or a zillion other FM hits that are by guitarists I cannot name (OK the guy in 38 Special is named Jeff Carlisi I think) are good examples of memorable playing by guys who names we don't remember. They did SOMETHING right. They are not in my pantheon, yet they are embedded in the collective consciousness .....

I'm rambling, and you know the IPA is to blame. I hope you take no offense. I love talking music and guitar. Duane Betts is getting there. He has nailed his tone and his attack. I hope to hear him craft the solo that I remember as distinctly his.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2019 at 02:41 AM
Wow, so many things I want to respond to. First to the person who posted Duane became a better player when he joined Dawes. I agree wholeheartedly. I remember seeing Duane with Dickey when Dickey and just thought he was in the band because he was Dickey’s son. Nothing stood out and it was just a perfunctory performance.

I have friends who are huge Dawes fans. I never got into them until I saw them at the Christmas Jam in 2015. Killer set. They ended up doing “Shine On You Crazy Diamond” as an encore. Taylor Goldsmith is a vastly underrated guitar player and Duane pushed him to play. Taylor did the same with Duane. You could see the confidence grow with Duane. I saw them 8 months later In Cincinnati at the Taft Theater and you could tell something was going on with the band. Duane looked bored on stage and soon afterwards he left the band. I saw Dawes a couple of months afterwards without Duane and thought they missed him. Most Dawes fans would disagree with me, but he was the reason I went to see them live.

I saw the Allman Betts band in Florida in March. Stachela might be the best player of the bunch. He really impressed me as he did when I saw him in the band when they opened up for Dickey. Duane played like he did not have a care in the world and I mean that as a compliment. Just went up and did his thing and sounded great. My problem was with Devon. Not a big fan of his showboating and I don’t think he plays as well as the other guys.

Regarding the first Eddie Money album, I love that album and one major reason is the guitarist. Yes, I know the name. Jimmy Lyons. I love the guitar playing and tone on the album. He was also able to cut it live. He played on the first two albums.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2019 at 10:36 AM
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So I found the Mountain Jam with Govt Mule and Duane Betts sitting in (Ron Holloway too). This is a smoking sequence of Melissa>Mountain Jam>Melissa. You think Duane was hanging with Warren? Watch Warren give Duane the nod at 13:42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU6XZv3YGT8


This is terrific! Thanks for posting

I always wanted the brothers to stretch out Melissa. Such a beautiful melody to jam on

 

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  posted on 5/17/2019 at 01:29 PM
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So it IS good that Duane has gotten that confidence in his body language. He is not doing a Jimi Hendrix humping the guitar in this video, but he has at least reached the David Gilmour body language level.

Some guitarists rush to fill the space with different notes, with more notes. They get squirrel fingers. Duane's comfortable, confident sense of knowing he can just do some repetition of the right notes with the right tone without desperately needing to jump into the next thing really works well, and it does take some confidence and knowledge to do that right.

3 I love talking music and guitar. Duane Betts is getting there. He has nailed his tone and his attack. I hope to hear him craft the solo that I remember as distinctly his.


Following up on what Jim said (I paraphrased his post)--check out Duane on this Jessica from last week. Watch how his confidence has grown. In particular watch how he puts the band through paces and takes control starting with the break in Jessica before the piano solo. Very interesting, pretty cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdJM7quvSY

 

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  posted on 5/21/2019 at 03:39 PM
Here's another blistering Jessica. In particular check out Oakley Jr. He is a monster!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GyixAd-yqc

 
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