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Author: Subject: Do You Trust William Barr To be fair, just and honest?

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 09:09 PM
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The fact that socialism is a dirty word

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There it is. Well call it something else if it makes you feel better about your public schooling, your freeway system, your cleaner air, water, social security (wow, that one even has "social" right there up front! We should just call it Kommie Kash) and all the other socialistic aspects of the USA you have benefitted from.

Nebish, I agree that Trump could outflank the Repubs on infrastructure. What needs to be done is so sweeping and massive in scale whoever pushes hard for it will take a lot of heat, given the national sacrifice it will entail. It might take a populist radical like Trump to damn the torpedoes and make it happen. He wants to leave a legacy, the Wall, he is a builder - screw the politics, infrastucture could be just the thing to keep him busy and out of trouble. He might be just the sort of person to bring it about. Rename a bunch of freeways and bridges after him once they are all fixed up, he will love that and pull out all the stops to get that recognition. Which he will deserve.


 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 10:07 PM
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Call it what you will; far from Socialism

 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 09:02 AM
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just as Democrats have already discussed policy other than Trump.

For example?

Do you choose to not look these things up? There's a big world out there if you choose to be curious rather than obtuse.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/
https://elizabethwarren.com/issues/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-does-pete-buttigieg-believe-wher e-the-candidate-stands-on-7-issues
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-does-kamala-harris-believe-where -the-candidate-stands-on-9-issues
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-does-kirsten-gillibrand-believe- where-the-candidate-stands-on-11-issues

 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 09:06 AM
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Call it what you will; far from Socialism


Certainly not "Socialism," as a political system - no argument there.

Try "Corporate Socialism." The USA fits that description.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 09:17 AM
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Call it what you will; far from Socialism


Certainly not "Socialism," as a political system - no argument there.

Try "Corporate Socialism." The USA fits that description.



No thanks, I'll stick with "Democracy"....

 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 09:33 AM
It's corpocracy really. In some ways that is good and has been beneficial to our country and in other ways it hasn't and has gone too far with corporate control of our government. If we were to debate democracy vs socialism, I think we would find there are redeeming qualities on both sides of those systems, but neither is especially good when taken too far unchecked. As it is with any political position or debate, how far should any ideal swing one way or the other and where is the balance?

If we get back to Barr and lying, there may be other instances (or in the minds of some, many instances) where he potentially has lied under oath - I think this is the one that strikes closest to me although I personally still think it falls short of perjury. I can see the argument though and admit that my opinion may not in fact be legally correct.

April 9th Charlie Crist full Q & A (5-1/2 minutes):
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4795192/charlie-crist-questions-ag-barr-apri l-9-2019

Barr's assertion is that he did not know the objections or concerns of Mueller's "team". This is all in light of Mueller's letter, which Barr had received and he had spoken to Bob Mueller personally prior to April 9th hearing before the House...so one could say that Barr was aware of the objections. Barr says this week, he knows of Mueller's objections, but not that of his "team". Technically that wouldn't be a lie. But, well isn't Mueller a member of his own team? And then Barr says he thinks that a staffer wrote the letter (probably incorrect). Would that staffer not be a member of the "team" too? As I already did say though, definitely Barr was not as forthcoming and truthful as he should've been. Did he lie? Maybe I should just defer judgement.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 09:41 AM
Weighing in on other related opinions, I think Barr should have to appear before committees he is requested to testify for. If that has to take the form of a subpoena so be it. If he can be held in contempt for not appearing, so be it. As head of a government agency he has a responsibility to Congress to make himself available. As for Don Mcgahn, I think executive privilege could be used and would be valid, although it is a bad look. I personally would like to see Mcgahn testify, but also think the President can exercise privilege in that case. Did Mcgahn lie to Mueller or was the truthful? Were his words and the situation misrepresented by Mueller, or did the President in fact tell him to fire Mueller or what were the exact details of that situation? Really, I still feel the same way, getting Barr or getting Mcgahn doesn't mean much - Mueller's testimony is the be all end all. The sooner it can happen the better.
 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 09:50 AM
Re Corporate Socialism: big bank bailouts. Nuf said.

Back to thread, sorry: As I mentioned before, and got a good explanation for, it still strikes me as off balance, that a massive team effort supported by millions of taxpayers should bottleneck at one individual. How democratic is that?

 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 01:17 PM
I can’t be the only liberal who thinks that chicken stunt was about the one dumbest way they could have dealt with this. High school kids do that for pep rallies. It’s starting to get into the “can this get any dang worse” territory.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 01:28 PM
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just as Democrats have already discussed policy other than Trump.

For example?

Do you choose to not look these things up? There's a big world out there if you choose to be curious rather than obtuse.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/
https://elizabethwarren.com/issues/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-does-pete-buttigieg-believe-wher e-the-candidate-stands-on-7-issues
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-does-kamala-harris-believe-where -the-candidate-stands-on-9-issues
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-does-kirsten-gillibrand-believe- where-the-candidate-stands-on-11-issues


Forgive me for not being more clear in my request. I was curious as to what was in the Democratic Platform that made YOU think "Hey, that appeals to me"...Not, what individual Candidates think.

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 01:41 PM
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Missed that one, sounds mighty lame.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 03:42 PM
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Forgive me for not being more clear in my request. I was curious as to what was in the Democratic Platform that made YOU think "Hey, that appeals to me"...Not, what individual Candidates think.

Ha, ok, yeah that's not what you said at all, but you're forgiven for your ret-con if you like.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 04:52 PM
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Call it what you will; far from Socialism


Certainly not "Socialism," as a political system - no argument there.

Try "Corporate Socialism." The USA fits that description.



No thanks, I'll stick with "Democracy"....


You say that here, but if we had Democracy Hillary would be president right now.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 06:01 PM
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Call it what you will; far from Socialism


Certainly not "Socialism," as a political system - no argument there.

Try "Corporate Socialism." The USA fits that description.



No thanks, I'll stick with "Democracy"....


You say that here, but if we had Democracy Hillary would be president right now.


True dat, but what's wrong with a dictatorship where a president dismisses the Constitution and leaders within the gov't are protectors of the dictator out of fear of the dictator primarying them via tweet?

 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 07:22 PM
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Call it what you will; far from Socialism


Certainly not "Socialism," as a political system - no argument there.

Try "Corporate Socialism." The USA fits that description.



No thanks, I'll stick with "Democracy"....


You say that here, but if we had Democracy Hillary would be president right now.


OMG. More whining? lol. For only the 5th time in the History of this Republic the EC performed its function as defined by our Forefathers....

 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 07:34 PM

 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 09:37 PM
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Call it what you will; far from Socialism


Certainly not "Socialism," as a political system - no argument there.

Try "Corporate Socialism." The USA fits that description.



No thanks, I'll stick with "Democracy"....


You say that here, but if we had Democracy Hillary would be president right now.


OMG. More whining? lol. For only the 5th time in the History of this Republic the EC performed its function as defined by our Forefathers....


What you really meant to say is you'll stick with Democracy, as long as we can we can minimize the votes from populous states who don't vote the way I like.

 

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Call it what you will; far from Socialism


Certainly not "Socialism," as a political system - no argument there.

Try "Corporate Socialism." The USA fits that description.



No thanks, I'll stick with "Democracy"....


You say that here, but if we had Democracy Hillary would be president right now.


OMG. More whining? lol. For only the 5th time in the History of this Republic the EC performed its function as defined by our Forefathers....


What you really meant to say is you'll stick with Democracy, as long as we can we can minimize the votes from populous states who don't vote the way I like.


See it, say it anyway you please. I think the system works just the way it was intended to function.....

 

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  posted on 5/3/2019 at 11:08 PM
Reposting this classic, "the loser one!" hahaha even though Obama took both popular and electoral in 2008 and 2012. Duh!


 

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  posted on 5/4/2019 at 08:19 AM
The Forefathers totally would have been down with a foreign country interfering with a Presidential election. Like, duh.

 

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  posted on 5/5/2019 at 08:55 PM
Interference in foreign elections? No country even comes close to the USA in that regard and nobody ever seemed concerned. We patented the process, and had Clinton won they still wouldn't be concerned...

NOW everybody is supposed to care. Why now all of the sudden?

Perhaps the Russians made yet another miscalculation. They're pretty good at that. A weaker USA under Trump? Guess again, Yortug. There's some really nice prizes in the consolation round though, and thanks for playing!
















[Edited on 5/6/2019 by alloak41]

 

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  posted on 5/6/2019 at 12:14 PM
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Interference in foreign elections? No country even comes close to the USA in that regard and nobody ever seemed concerned. We patented the process, and had Clinton won they still wouldn't be concerned...

NOW everybody is supposed to care. Why now all of the sudden?

Perhaps the Russians made yet another miscalculation. They're pretty good at that. A weaker USA under Trump? Guess again, Yortug. There's some really nice prizes in the consolation round though, and thanks for playing!

[Edited on 5/6/2019 by alloak41]


You are right, the USA has been guilty of meddling in other countries elections. The funny thing is that in most of those cases, the people of those countries were pissed when they found out.

And the USA is weak now that a wedge has been placed between the USA and our European allies. That is exactly what Putin wanted. NATO has been weakened as a direct result of Trump, and that is Putin's wet dream. Not sure how much Putin spent to meddle in the election, but it has paid off beyond his wildest dreams.

 

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  posted on 5/6/2019 at 12:33 PM
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And the USA is weak now that a wedge has been placed between the USA and our European allies.


Any "wedge" is there because some of these countries are not used to the USA standing up saying "Enough is enough" you will contribute equally just like everyone else.....

 

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  posted on 5/6/2019 at 01:23 PM
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You are right, the USA has been guilty of meddling in other countries elections


I agree, this is a solid point - gotta say "meddlng" is a huge understatement. Corporate strongarming, CIA backing military coups, engaging in dark ops, assassinations, all out invasions, undeclared warfare . . . there has to be a more appropriate term than "meddling."

[Edited on 5/6/2019 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 5/6/2019 at 05:30 PM
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And the USA is weak now that a wedge has been placed between the USA and our European allies.


Any "wedge" is there because some of these countries are not used to the USA standing up saying "Enough is enough" you will contribute equally just like everyone else.....


Yeah, that's it. I'm sure it has nothing to do with being rude to our allies at every opportunity and never criticising Putin no matter what he does. Reagan must be rolling in his grave seeing an American president worshiping a Russian dictator like Putin. I never thought I would see the day that Republicans especially would be ok with this.

 
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