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Author: Subject: Do You Trust William Barr To be fair, just and honest?

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 03:15 PM
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I'm personally embarrassed by a Nation that voted in Maxine Waters, Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler, Omar Ilhan, Rashida Talib, AOC, and a whole cast of clowns. They're the living arguments against Democracy.


I'm personally embarrassed by every Republican in America that supports Trump. So there you go.


Seems to be the Liberal/Leftist/Democratic mantra, no matter what the hatred of the President "trumps" all else.

Pretty sad and if the left hopes to gain the WH in 2020 there better be more to your platform than embarrassment.


How is it any different than your own rationalizations re:your own hatred of the left? That trumps all else for you, no?

Come 2020, I’ll vote for anyone except Trump. You can certainly look forward to canceling my vote out.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 03:21 PM
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How is it any different than your own rationalizations re:your own hatred of the left?


It’s not any different at all. He just lacks self-awareness and needs a scapegoat.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 03:23 PM
I reiterate.... Only a fool argues with fools. Sometimes scrabble tiles dropped on the floor make more sense than people do. People see what they want to see no matter what they see. A perceived false reality suites some folks. I'll not waddle in this stupidity again. You can lead a horse to common sense, but you can't make them think it.



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[Edited on 5/2/2019 by Fretsman]

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 03:27 PM
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Seems to be the Liberal/Leftist/Democratic mantra, no matter what the hatred of the President "trumps" all else.

Pretty sad and if the left hopes to gain the WH in 2020 there better be more to your platform than embarrassment.


Considering the literal mantra for the 2016 Republican Convention was "anyone but her", and it actually worked, you either have a short memory or are being pretty hypocritical. And considering there are Republicans out there who have denounced or questioned Trump's actions and behavior, it's not just a "mantra" these days.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 04:06 PM
If the dishonorable mr. barr were trapped in a fully involved burning vehicle, I would not cross the street to urinate on him.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 04:10 PM
Hahaha! That was harsh. Moral of story: Don't light your farts if you are pickled in Stolichnaya.



[Edited on 5/2/2019 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 04:18 PM
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People see what they want to see no matter what they see. A perceived false reality suites some folks. I'll not waddle in this stupidity again. You can lead a horse to common sense, but you can't make them think it.


You trashed a former marine and decorated American war hero - that’s what we see from you. Why would you do that? And what makes you think you know better than he does?

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 04:21 PM
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you either have a short memory or are being pretty hypocritical. And considering there are Republicans out there who have denounced or questioned Trump's actions and behavior, it's not just a "mantra" these days.


Exactly. Well said.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 04:26 PM
Doubling down on the bluff - ruckin fussians.
 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 04:34 PM
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Barr is at the plate to bat for the President no doubt.


Death of the independent judiciary to own the libs!





And worse, going after citizens who might go cast a vote. Going after the candidate is one thing, but voters? Probably not the smoothest pathway to victory.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 05:09 PM
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We fail ourselves when we fail our elected President no matter if they dress in blue ties or red.


Presidents are not infallible and do not deserve blind loyalty.

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We're all Americans aren't we?


I've been told I hate my country for twenty years now by guys like you. You apparently don't think so.

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I reiterate.... Only a fool argues with fools. Sometimes scrabble tiles dropped on the floor make more sense than people do. People see what they want to see no matter what they see. A perceived false reality suites some folks. I'll not waddle in this stupidity again. You can lead a horse to common sense, but you can't make them think it.


Congrats on having all the answers for all us fools!

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 05:34 PM
“The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.” - William Shakespeare

Running like the wind and laugh at the crowd, the fool and me
Howl at the moon yeah out loud loud, the fool and me

And oh oh where ever we go
We keep the spirit free
Oh nobody knows
No one but the fool and me


Dewar/Trower

btw, the word "wallow" might work better than "waddle" in "I'll not waddle in this stupidity again."

[Edited on 5/2/2019 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 05:54 PM
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How is it any different than your own rationalizations re:your own hatred of the left? That trumps all else for you, no?


No different at all, you hate Trump and I despise almost everything the Left stands for. That being said, I will sleep just great this evening.

 

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Seems to be the Liberal/Leftist/Democratic mantra, no matter what the hatred of the President "trumps" all else.

Pretty sad and if the left hopes to gain the WH in 2020 there better be more to your platform than embarrassment.


Considering the literal mantra for the 2016 Republican Convention was "anyone but her", and it actually worked, you either have a short memory or are being pretty hypocritical.


Actually in 2016 Trump campaigned on a number of things that had nothing to do with Hillary, withdrawing from NAFTA, Tariffs on China, Illegal immigration and the return of manufacturing jobs to the USA. You can't blame the other side because your Candidate took Victory for granted.

What is on the Democratic Platform now beside hatred for the President?

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 06:39 PM
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Actually in 2016 Trump campaigned on a number of things that had nothing to do with Hillary, withdrawing from NAFTA, Tariffs on China, Illegal immigration and the return of manufacturing jobs to the USA. You can't blame the other side because your Candidate took Victory for granted.


Blah blah blah Just because I didn't mention Trump's entire campaign platform and other factors doesn't negate that fact that the GOP stoked hatred of the opposing candidate, even as a literal mantra (see Scott Walker's speech) through out the convention, and Trump won. That's a fact. I did not say it was the only factor, just as Democrats have already discussed policy other than Trump. So, again, what you said doesn't hold any water.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 06:46 PM
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just as Democrats have already discussed policy other than Trump.


For example?

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 07:03 PM
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For example?


To interject, some kind of health care reform or different options really need offered by either party. The Republicans have had 2+ years now and can't come up with anything and don't seem likely to do so anytime soon. The Democrats have their ideas. No matter if you or I agree with them all, but that issue or policy would be the most glaring from my view that would have good appeal across party lines.

 

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And really to be fair, with that illustration, I do not know how seriously the Republicans can be taken on infrastructure being part of their platform. Their proposal from the 2018 budget was not a serious effort. If the meeting between Trump and Democrat leaders this week means anything, I'd say the issue could certainly be put in both party platforms, and not solely the Republican side. If one party were to actually be more likely to move the issue forward in a real way I would say that would be the Democrats. Maybe something bipartisan can happen (doubt it)...otherwise we will have to wait until the Democrats control atleast 2 of the 3 branches before something happens.
 

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How is it any different than your own rationalizations re:your own hatred of the left? That trumps all else for you, no?


No different at all, you hate Trump and I despise almost everything the Left stands for. That being said, I will sleep just great this evening.


Hey, at least you acknowledge it. We all gotta be who we gotta be.

 

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Seems to be the Liberal/Leftist/Democratic mantra, no matter what the hatred of the President "trumps" all else.

Pretty sad and if the left hopes to gain the WH in 2020 there better be more to your platform than embarrassment.


Considering the literal mantra for the 2016 Republican Convention was "anyone but her", and it actually worked, you either have a short memory or are being pretty hypocritical.


Actually in 2016 Trump campaigned on a number of things that had nothing to do with Hillary, withdrawing from NAFTA, Tariffs on China, Illegal immigration and the return of manufacturing jobs to the USA. You can't blame the other side because your Candidate took Victory for granted.

What is on the Democratic Platform now beside hatred for the President?


Well, if you put it in that context, it looks similar to the governance of the Boehner-Ryan-McConnell Congress for eight years.

 

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And really to be fair, with that illustration, I do not know how seriously the Republicans can be taken on infrastructure being part of their platform. Their proposal from the 2018 budget was not a serious effort. If the meeting between Trump and Democrat leaders this week means anything, I'd say the issue could certainly be put in both party platforms, and not solely the Republican side. If one party were to actually be more likely to move the issue forward in a real way I would say that would be the Democrats. Maybe something bipartisan can happen (doubt it)...otherwise we will have to wait until the Democrats control atleast 2 of the 3 branches before something happens.


The refusal to address the infrastructure baffles me. The business and job growth potential is insane, and the safety of the public is strengthened. Baffling.

 

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Republicans are not likely to follow through on infrastructure. The fact that socialism is a dirty word aside, massive public works are an essentially socialist phenomenon. Democrats certainly have historically shown socialistic tendencies on this front. The New Deal was the largest public works push in history:

from that left wing corrupt liberal rag Smithsonian, 2014:

“This spring marks the 80th anniversary of the Works Progress Administration (WPA), the biggest and most ambitious of more than a dozen New Deal agencies created by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Designed to give millions of unemployed Americans jobs during the Great Depression, the WPA remains the largest public works program in the nation's history. It provided 8 million jobs in communities large and small. And what those workers put up has never been matched.

The WPA built, improved or renovated 39,370 schools; 2,550 hospitals; 1,074 libraries; 2,700 firehouses; 15,100 auditoriums, gymnasiums and recreational buildings; 1,050 airports, 500 water treatment plants, 12,800 playgrounds, 900 swimming pools; 1,200 skating rinks, plus many other structures. It also dug more than 1,000 tunnels; surfaced 639,000 miles of roads and installed nearly 1 million miles of sidewalks, curbs and street lighting, in addition to tens of thousands of viaducts, culverts and roadside drainage ditches.

A vast amount of our physical and cultural infrastructure went up between 1933 and 1940," said Robert Leighninger, author of Long-range Public Investment: The Forgotten Legacy of the New Deal. "To paraphrase Winston Churchill, never in our history has so much been built for so many in so little time and been so thoroughly forgotten."







 

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Whether it is a higher gas tax, or user fees, or whatever, I do think there needs to be some real payback in the investment for some of it. And the other gets paid back in other ways, not measurable like we might like, but with increased productivity and boost to the overall economy.

It needs to get done.

I incorrectly said if Democrats get 2 of 3 branches, obviously I meant 2 of 3 houses. I do think that if Trump could get a spine and do something that is unpopular with his party in Congress, if the Democrats controlled the House and the Senate and if Trump somehow were to still be in the White House at that point I think he would sign a Democrat written and mostly party-line passed infrastructure bill even at the protest of his own party.

Infrastructure is in the Democrats wheelhouse. Trump says he wants to do it (and I think he probably does), Republicans might say they want to do it (they actually don't unless it is all or pretty much all private projects), but the Democrats both want to do it and are ready willing and waiting to do it. Definitely would have to be part of their platform.

Regarding the WPA, extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. They certainly did some amazing things and it hard to argue that our country wasn't better off for it.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 08:16 PM
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Indeed

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 08:31 PM
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No different at all, you hate Trump and I despise almost everything the Left stands for.


One directs his ire at a belligerent bully for his unprofessional and dirty behavior. The other admits to “despising” half the country’s entire set of values (after claiming hate was a strong word earlier in the day).

Character has spoken. It’s obvious which one is the better and stronger person. Enjoy the gutter.

 
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