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  posted on 3/10/2019 at 12:12 PM
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Since I live about an hour from the Canadian border in upstate, NY, I often ask the Trump supporters in and around my community who believe there's a national crisis on the southern border why they seem to have a lack of concern with the fact that we have no wall between us and Canada. Especially since we're so close to that actual border.

Their reply is often that since we have drones galore monitoring the air space, sensors in and around the St. Lawrence River, a rather sizable presence of border patrol agents and all their various SUV's patrolling up and down the main roads between Watertown, NY and Plattsburgh, NY, and a rather lethal and sizable Border patrol fleet presence on the St. Lawrence, that there's no need for a wall......

Of course I usually reply to this response with the very obvious question of, "So wouldn't such an approach prove effective at protecting the southern border? You know, rather than building an ineffective wall?"

To which they answer something to the effect of "Trump knows more about what's really going on down there than you!!!" In other words they have no real answer to my question.

 

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963 apprehensions from the Canadian border last year.

66,450 apprehensions from the Mexican border last month.

Tell me, where do you think the focus should be based on those numbers?

 

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963 apprehensions from the Canadian border last year.

66,450 apprehensions from the Mexican border last month.

Tell me, where do you think the focus should be based on those numbers?
A $300 plane ticket from mexico to canada and its as easy as crossing a street to come t0 the US. they are not getting caught.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2019 at 01:05 PM
Hell, let them all in, use a wall to keep em in, and we can go relax in Acapulco without all those pesky Mexicans around.
 

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Since I live about an hour from the Canadian border in upstate, NY, I often ask the Trump supporters in and around my community who believe there's a national crisis on the southern border why they seem to have a lack of concern with the fact that we have no wall between us and Canada. Especially since we're so close to that actual border.

Their reply is often that since we have drones galore monitoring the air space, sensors in and around the St. Lawrence River, a rather sizable presence of border patrol agents and all their various SUV's patrolling up and down the main roads between Watertown, NY and Plattsburgh, NY, and a rather lethal and sizable Border patrol fleet presence on the St. Lawrence, that there's no need for a wall......

Of course I usually reply to this response with the very obvious question of, "So wouldn't such an approach prove effective at protecting the southern border? You know, rather than building an ineffective wall?"

To which they answer something to the effect of "Trump knows more about what's really going on down there than you!!!" In other words they have no real answer to my question.


Interesting in that former All Knowing Donnie campaigned on the wall yet his former Secretary Of Homeland Security & later Chief Of Staff, General John Kelly thinks the wall is a waste of money. Keep in mind how much Trump loves the generals although 2 of them (Kelly & Mattis) both left Trump. Guess the generals also love & agree with Trump policies.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/433078-john-kelly-trumps-border -wall-would-be-waste-of-money


 

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963 apprehensions from the Canadian border last year.

66,450 apprehensions from the Mexican border last month.

Tell me, where do you think the focus should be based on those numbers?
A $300 plane ticket from mexico to canada and its as easy as crossing a street to come t0 the US. they are not getting caught.


They don't catch all the ones from the southwest border either. I'm not saying illegal crossings from the northern border should be ignored, but very clearly the southern border has a historic, persistent and growing problem and it makes sense to focus the majority of resources there.


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Interesting in that former All Knowing Donnie campaigned on the wall yet his former Secretary Of Homeland Security & later Chief Of Staff, General John Kelly thinks the wall is a waste of money. Keep in mind how much Trump loves the generals although 2 of them (Kelly & Mattis) both left Trump. Guess the generals also love & agree with Trump policies.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/433078-john-kelly-trumps-border -wall-would-be-waste-of-money


He is right, as the article states, "structure spanning the entire US-Mexico border would be a 'waste of money'" and "we don't need a wall from sea to shining sea". I agree with those comments all while also desiring additional physical barriers and improvements to our existing barrier with Mexico. I wonder what John Kelly's opinion would be if the question was instead: "how do you feel about wall/fence/barrier construction in select areas of the border encompassing a couple hundred additional miles?" I think he would have a different answer.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2019 at 05:00 PM
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"structure spanning the entire US-Mexico border would be a 'waste of money'"


We are dealing with a culture that has no respect for our Laws....

 

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  posted on 3/10/2019 at 07:37 PM
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We are dealing with a culture that has no respect for our Laws....


But enough about the Trumps and Republicans in Washington.

Generalizing an entire group is bigoted. Remember how you hate when liberals claim all Trump supporters are racists? Well, youíre doing the same thing. If you donít rise above it, you are no better than they are. You sound conflicted.




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  posted on 3/10/2019 at 07:39 PM
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963 apprehensions from the Canadian border last year.

66,450 apprehensions from the Mexican border last month.

Tell me, where do you think the focus should be based on those numbers?


One of the reason apprehensions are so much higher at the southern border is that there are 100 times the resources focused there. But let's be honest, most people care more about illegal poor brown people coming from the south than white socialists coming from the north. And besides, why would Canadians leave free healthcare and safe communities to join the insanity here.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2019 at 08:20 PM
Because Canada is bloody boring?
 

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But let's be honest, most people care more about illegal poor brown people coming from the south than white socialists coming from the north.


What does skin color have to do with it?

 

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  posted on 3/10/2019 at 09:26 PM
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What does skin color have to do with it?

Have to do have to do with it. . . What's race but a cheap old fascist notion?
Who needs a wall when a wall can be broken?




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What does skin color have to do with it?

Have to do have to do with it. . . What's race but a cheap old fascist notion?
Who needs a wall when a wall can be broken?




[Edited on 3/11/2019 by BrerRabbit]


I am just curious here. What solution to the Border problem have the Democrats introduced? They consistently vote for Sanctuary States... against Deportment, the end the Dream Act & more Border guards...For Driver's Licences....against Voter I.D...against the denial of Social Services.

What is their answer?

 

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What does skin color have to do with it?


I can answer that. Our President has called white supremists "very fine people", said black people have nothing to lose, had a Muslim ban overturned by federal courts, wants to build a sybmolic hate wall instead of going after visa overstays, pardoned Joe Araipo who was convicted of racial harrassment and discrimination, and called peaceful black protestors unamerican.....and yet he still has a chance to win the next election because almost haf the country is ok with it in exchange for a "good economy", that all Presidents can claim. So why don't you answer your own question? I guess it's sheer coincidence that all the people you criticize here are either black, hispanic, or part of a group that supports minorities. Please, get outta here.

Does anyone here believe for a second that BIGV doesn't see color? LOL!

 

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I am just curious here. What solution to the Border problem have the Democrats introduced? They consistently vote for Sanctuary States... against Deportment, the end the Dream Act & more Border guards...For Driver's Licences....against Voter I.D...against the denial of Social Services.

What is their answer?


They fund the border when they are in charge too. As for me, I am rocksolid Libertarian on this matter.


 

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I am just curious here. What solution to the Border problem have the Democrats introduced? They consistently vote for Sanctuary States... against Deportment, the end the Dream Act & more Border guards...For Driver's Licences....against Voter I.D...against the denial of Social Services.

What is their answer?


They fund the border when they are in charge too. As for me, I am rocksolid Libertarian on this matter.




Merely Funding the border does not seem to be putting an end to this problem, what solution do the Dems offer?

 

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If you are angling for a defense of Dems, it won't come from me. It is good that the Wall is being slowed down, it is a huge investment, it would be stupid to sign off halfcocked on it until effective measures, including targeted Wall areas, are drawn up. reasonable compromise will happen. The gears of government move slowly and grind and squeal a lot.

Again, I stand Libertarian to the letter on this.

 

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I am just curious here. What solution to the Border problem have the Democrats introduced? They consistently vote for Sanctuary States... against Deportment, the end the Dream Act & more Border guards...For Driver's Licences....against Voter I.D...against the denial of Social Services.

What is their answer?


They fund the border when they are in charge too. As for me, I am rocksolid Libertarian on this matter.




Merely Funding the border does not seem to be putting an end to this problem, what solution do the Dems offer?


I would say that since illegal immigration decreased each year under Obama, and since there are over a million fewer illegals in the US today than a decade ago, I would say the Dems didn't do a bad job at all. You're going to have to define how you will define when the problem is fixed. Sorry, but the US is never going to be devoid of those with Latino heritage.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2019 at 03:22 PM
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963 apprehensions from the Canadian border last year.

66,450 apprehensions from the Mexican border last month.

Tell me, where do you think the focus should be based on those numbers?


You missed my point, Neb...Obviously the numbers suggest more focus on the Canadian border, but not by building a wall, but more of the resources that are actually effective. Some fencing, more border patrol, technology, etc...

Also part of my point is that we're no more capable of building an actual wall across the southern border than we are the entire length of the St. Lawrence River, which is basically the entire border across upstate, NY between the two cities I mentioned. Due in part because we face the same issues of property rights, law suites, topography, effectiveness, etc....

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  posted on 3/12/2019 at 10:55 PM
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963 apprehensions from the Canadian border last year.

66,450 apprehensions from the Mexican border last month.

Tell me, where do you think the focus should be based on those numbers?


You missed my point, Neb...Obviously the numbers suggest more focus on the Canadian border, but not by building a wall, but more of the resources that are actually effective. Some fencing, more border patrol, technology, etc...

Also part of my point is that we're no more capable of building an actual wall across the southern border than we are the entire length of the St. Lawrence River, which is basically the entire border across upstate, NY between the two cities I mentioned. Due in part because we face the same issues of property rights, law suites, topography, effectiveness, etc....

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Do the numbers suggest more focus on the Canadian border?

Less than 1000 apprehensions all of last fiscal year compared to over 2000 a day on the Mexican border.

I get that 2112 is right, the resources are on the southwest border and therefor the apprehension numbers are going to be what they are. But if we put the exact same focus and resources on the Canadian border, what would you guess the apprehension figures might be? I would guess they would pale in comparison to the southern border numbers, dramatically so.

I might hope our Canadian allies to the north can do what they can to monitor the air travelers entering their country to limit those going there just to come here. It is their border to enforce as well as ours and I think our friends up north can be more effective at doing so than our neighbors to the south.

Meanwhile we are catching tens of thousand of illegal immigrants at the southern border per month. When the situation dictates more resources at the northern border I will advocate for increased enforcement there. That would include a range of enforcement options, including barriers where necessary.


 

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  posted on 3/13/2019 at 03:06 PM
The tin-foil hat people who can see into the future STILL say that the borders between Mexico, America and the U.S. will be done away with and this will become one big union. Some politicians tried to float that idea awhile ago calling it the North American Union but people balked and rejected that. What will cause them to change their minds and go along with the idea?

Climate change. There will be areas of all the countries that are so awful weather wise, it will be hot as hell in Mexico, they will not be able to grow anything, and while my probiotic use can go down due to less of those foodstuffs coming here to NY for us to eat, people will be starving and dieing. The only thing they will be able to do is migrate to the US or die. Since we still have some humanity left, we will let them in.

Canada - parts of that will be so cold people will have to move from there. Where can they go? South, to the US or border areas of Canada and the US.

I do not need to remind anyone of the weather issues we faced in this country over the last couple of months.

It is all due to a mini-ice age coming upon us, as well as the magnetic pole shift, the ozone problems, the atmospheric problems with solar flares and plasma emissions coming thru the atmosphere. All of it. All of it will be the reason.

All the people many of you regarded as tin foil hat people who made predictions about increased fires, floods, volcanoes, tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes etc.etc. only saw the effects of these changes. It will be very apparent to the rest of the world by 2024, it will begin to be more apparent within just two years in 2021.



[Edited on 3/13/2019 by gina]

[Edited on 3/13/2019 by gina]

 

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  posted on 3/13/2019 at 03:48 PM
And you will be the one wandering around the FEMA camp mumbling "I told you so".
 

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  posted on 3/13/2019 at 04:55 PM
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Because Canada is bloody boring?


Say's you. Coming from the country that thinks Golf and Baseball are sports.

 

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  posted on 3/13/2019 at 05:02 PM
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Because Canada is bloody boring?


Say's you. Coming from the country that thinks Golf and Baseball are sports.


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