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  posted on 2/22/2019 at 12:02 PM
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  posted on 2/22/2019 at 12:23 PM
That ought to deflate his balls for a while.
 

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  posted on 2/22/2019 at 12:57 PM
No idea. Guess I could search instead of just posting no idea, but I'm not going to.

I do laugh at his two-tone shirts, with the cuffs and colors being white and the shirt another color. Never liked that look, but he sure does.

OK, I suppose I will go see what is so funny now.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2019 at 12:58 PM
Oh hookers!

Shouldn't even be a crime to solicit it or to sell it.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2019 at 01:04 PM
OK actually reading into the story, see that is why you should post the story Hemp.

If they legalized sex then there wouldn't be these type of operations and these people in the sex trade against their will. Sex trafficing, just another horrible horrible thing for people to be put through.

If I paid for sex with someone that was doing it willingly, that is one thing. But I would feel awful if I engaged with someone who was being forced. That is bad **** .

 

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  posted on 2/22/2019 at 01:34 PM
Good points Nebish. I thought of a few things after hearing this story. Why on Earth would a billionairre frequent a place that cheap???

Secondly, I agree that there is nothing wrong with prostitution if it's between two free independent willing people. But nobody should frequent these types of places where most of it is a result of trafficking. Kraft should know this.



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  posted on 2/22/2019 at 01:45 PM

So I've learned Bob Kraft is pretty freakin cheap

 

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  posted on 2/22/2019 at 02:00 PM
Probably get bailed out by the Rub & Tug rule.

 

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  posted on 2/23/2019 at 12:57 PM
For those who don't know.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/patriots-owner-robert-krafts-charged-183648445.h tml

You can almost hear 'what? I got a massage, I paid for it, what's the problem?'

The girls are providing services. The clients pay for the services. It's a business transaction. Don't these cops have anything better to do, or did they want a free gratuity like they get from their local donut shop?

 

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  posted on 2/23/2019 at 01:04 PM
You tell em, bro!
 

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  posted on 2/23/2019 at 02:11 PM
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For those who don't know.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/patriots-owner-robert-krafts-charged-183648445.h tml

You can almost hear 'what? I got a massage, I paid for it, what's the problem?'

The girls are providing services. The clients pay for the services. It's a business transaction. Don't these cops have anything better to do, or did they want a free gratuity like they get from their local donut shop?


Well, just one problem here is that these girls happen to be SLAVES, they have no choice on wether to provide these "services". The true perpetrator's are the slave owner/pimps they are experts in control and intimidation and in administering fear, punishment, control and violence!!!! This is FAR from some innocent hanky panky IMO!!!....... Now if this fella had been photographed coming out of a legal brothel in Vegas, I don't think much could be said, probably still in bad taste, but obviously not criminal........Peace......joe

 

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  posted on 2/23/2019 at 03:30 PM
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You can almost hear 'what? I got a massage, I paid for it, what's the problem?'

The girls are providing services. The clients pay for the services. It's a business transaction. Don't these cops have anything better to do, or did they want a free gratuity like they get from their local donut shop?


I'm sorry, but this simply does not sound like anything a woman would ever say. Or most men, for that matter. Sounds more like a beerfarting skoaldrooling slobjock with buffalo wing sauce on his chin blowing hot air at the local tavern.

 

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  posted on 2/23/2019 at 03:46 PM
Not gonna lie, I've been jerked off at massage parlors on several occasions, always without even asking for it..........and no, I SURE was not going to stop them.......it was very good, every time.

I am quite astonished at what Kraft did though.

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So I've learned Bob Kraft is pretty freakin cheap


YEAH. With Bob Kraft's $$$ to frequent a "house of ill repute"? REALLY? Bob, Bob, Bob..........you can afford a room at the most elaborate 5 star hotel..............get a private room............find an escort service which provides the most expensive hot looking females who will come there and service you, if that's what you are looking for.........in privacy, who's gonna know?......JUST WHAT IN THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING DUDE??

 

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  posted on 2/23/2019 at 04:04 PM
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Not gonna lie, I've been jerked off at massage parlors on several occasions, always without even asking for it..........and no, I SURE was not going to stop them.......it was very good, every time.

I am quite astonished at what Kraft did though.

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So I've learned Bob Kraft is pretty freakin cheap


YEAH. With Bob Kraft's $$$ to frequent a "house of ill repute"? REALLY? Bob, Bob, Bob..........you can afford a room at the most elaborate 5 star hotel..............get a private room............find an escort service which provides the most expensive hot looking females who will come there and service you, if that's what you are looking for.........in privacy, who's gonna know?......JUST WHAT IN THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING DUDE??


What's Kraft supposed to do with all those rings on his fingers...

 

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  posted on 2/23/2019 at 07:37 PM
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What's Kraft supposed to do with all those rings on his fingers...


AHAHAHAHAHA

 

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  posted on 2/23/2019 at 09:14 PM
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Well, just one problem here is that these girls happen to be SLAVES, they have no choice on wether to provide these "services".


Exactly, this isn’t the Mustang Ranch, these girls are unfortunately here illegally living in strip malls and getting shuffled up and down the East coast. Normally no one would care about a widower getting a hand job, but cops are trying to free some sex slaves. Funny when and how people pick and choose to support the boys in blue and the fight against illegal immigration, because this isnt something solved by a wall.

 

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  posted on 2/24/2019 at 10:32 AM
Prostitution should have been legalized and regulated decades ago as far as I'm concerned. However, like many issues in this country to do so requires a nuanced discussion and debate. Which is why it never seems to happen....

Consider the amount of money the mafia, police departments, prosecutors, sex traffickers, independent pimps, etc. make from the prohibition and the morality crusaders in local, state, and federal government, and it's no wonder we can't move beyond the current failed system.

 

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  posted on 2/24/2019 at 10:46 AM
The good news, I suppose, is that the existence of a cheapo place in spitting distance of Mar-A-Lago raised suspicion re trafficking. A wall wouldn't help these enslaved women.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/23/us/robert-kraft-trafficking-florida.html
JUPITER, Fla. — Something was amiss at a massage parlor near one of the wealthiest barrier islands in Florida.

First, a health inspector spotted several suitcases. Then she noticed an unusual stash of clothing, food and bedding. A young woman who was supposed to be a massage therapist spoke little English and seemed unusually nervous.

The inspector reported her findings to police. They would eventually learn that her suspicions were right: The women were not just employees: They were living in the day spa, sleeping on massage tables and cooking meals on hot plates in the back. Some of them had had their passports confiscated.

The inspector’s suspicions prompted a sprawling investigation across four Florida counties and two states — Florida and New York — over nearly eight months, resulting in the disruption of what authorities say was a multimillion-dollar human-trafficking and prostitution operation.

The sweep led to criminal charges last week against several rich, prominent men, including Robert K. Kraft, the billionaire owner of the New England Patriots; John Havens, former president and chief operating officer of Citigroup; and John Childs, founder of the private equity firm J.W. Childs Associates.

Beyond the lurid celebrity connection, however, lies the wretched story of women who police believe were brought from China under false promises of new lives and legitimate spa jobs. Instead, they found themselves trapped in the austere back rooms of strip-mall brothels — trafficking victims trapped among South Florida’s rich and famous.

“I don’t believe they were told they were going to work in massage parlors seven days a week, having unprotected sex with up to 1,000 men a year,” said Sheriff William D. Snyder of Martin County, whose office opened the investigation. “We saw them eating on hot plates in the back. There were no washing machines. They were sleeping on the massage tables.”

The women were shuttled from place to place — not only to nearby parlors but also across the state, said Sheriff Snyder. Sheriff’s deputies in Orange County, Fla., became involved in the investigation when women from the state’s Treasure Coast region were traced back to the Orlando area.

Sheriff Snyder said he believed at least some of the women were working to pay off debt owed for what it cost to bring them to the United States. In some cases, the women’s passports were taken away. Traffickers cycled women in and out of parlors every 10 or 20 days, Sheriff Snyder estimated.

Yet making a trafficking case remains difficult, in part because the women who were victims may not want to cooperate with police. Only one has been talking to deputies, Sheriff Snyder said. He had lined up about a dozen Mandarin interpreters, but many other women refused to speak and were let go with an offer of assistance.

“I would never consider them prostitutes — it was really a rescue operation,” the sheriff said, training his anger at the men whose demand for sex kept the massage parlors in business. “The monsters are the men,” he added.

In addition to arresting men ranging in age from their 30s to at least one in his 80s, police charged several women who appeared to be overseeing the operation with racketeering, money laundering and prostitution.

Sheriff Snyder said investigators, who worked with Immigration and Customs Enforcement, estimated the trafficking ring to be a $20 million international operation. Men paid between $100 and $200 for sex, the sheriff said; between $2 million and $3 million have been seized in Florida, he said, including a safe stuffed with Rolex watches.

State Attorney Dave Aronberg of Palm Beach County, whose office leads a human trafficking task force with the F.B.I., said trafficking foreigners to work in places like massage parlors can be more difficult to root out than trafficking, for example, American girls who are recruited in person or online.

“They come from countries where the police are part of the problem, and they’re smuggled into the country,” Mr. Aronberg said.

Laura Cusack, a social worker in charge of the human trafficking prevention and education program at Place of Hope, an agency for foster children and trafficking victims in Boca Raton, said foreign victims were often threatened by traffickers in their home countries.

“They’re told by traffickers, ‘I’ve got people waiting for you,’” she said. When social workers urge victims like that to come forward to police, they say, “‘No, you don’t understand. They’re trying to find my little sister back home. They’re trying to find my daughter,’” Ms. Cusack said.

Mr. Havens, the former Citigroup executive, was elevated to the post in 2011 by his longtime confidant, Vikram Pandit, Citi’s chief executive. The two became friends as senior executives at Morgan Stanley before they both left in 2005 to start Old Lane Partners, a hedge fund that was acquired by Citigroup two years later for $800 million. Both resigned from Citi on the same day in 2012, after the Federal Reserve indicated Citi was not healthy enough after the financial crisis to start paying more money back to shareholders.

Through a spokesman, Mr. Kraft, 77, denied engaging in illegal activity, and Mr. Childs in a statement to Bloomberg also denied the charges.

That such a lucrative trafficking network existed near the ritzy enclaves of Jupiter Island, home to the likes of golfer Tiger Woods, and Palm Beach, home to President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, seemed unfathomable to some of the gawkers who posed for selfies — and in some cases cracked off-color jokes — on Friday outside the Orchids of Asia massage parlor in Jupiter, the enterprise that officials said Mr. Kraft had visited.

But Palm Beach was also the place where a well-connected billionaire financier from New York, Jeffrey E. Epstein, was accused a decade ago of molesting dozens of underage girls — some of them runaways or foster children who are vulnerable to sex trafficking. A federal judge ruled on Thursday that prosecutors violated Mr. Epstein’s victims by failing to inform them of a plea deal that would protect him from sex-trafficking charges.

The massage-parlor investigation began farther north, in Hobe Sound, a strip of mainland in Martin County where on July 6 the health inspector reported the signs of potential trafficking at the Bridge Day Spa, according to the arrest affidavit for one of the men. Sheriff’s deputies identified the spa’s owner and another nearby property under her name. They searched online forums where users posted about sex acts performed at the massage parlors. Based on the evidence they collected, they obtained a warrant to conduct surveillance.

That approach was far more labor-intensive than past investigations, in which undercover deputies would go into the parlors and arrest women for prostitution, said Sheriff Snyder, a former Republican state representative who helped write Florida’s law against human trafficking.

“I made this decision that we had enough of that: Let’s go after the traffickers,” he said. “I feel, on some level, extremely dissatisfied that I can’t do more. I know that we don’t even make a dent.”

In the case of the Orchids of Asia parlor in Jupiter, where services were listed for $59 for half an hour or $79 for an hour, an arrest affidavit for the women managing the spa detailed a similar investigative approach. Police watched men going into the spa for 30 to 45 minutes at a time.

Once they left, officers followed the men, pulled them over for traffic violations and confronted them about paying for sex. That evidence led to warrants for surveillance cameras, which police secretly installed inside the massage parlors — apparently under the ruse of a possible bomb threat.

All of the men arrested in Jupiter were filmed paying for manual or oral sexual stimulation, according to police. Sheriff Snyder said the sex acts his deputies recorded in Martin County included sexual intercourse.

Law enforcement spent several weeks identifying the clients, and the women managing the trafficking victims, as well as tracing their finances. Police and prosecutors wrote up their criminal charges and raided the massage parlors on Tuesday.

By then, however, some of the women they had identified as victims had been moved elsewhere. New women had taken their place.



 

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  posted on 2/24/2019 at 10:55 AM
There is really no direct link between the proximity of this ring to Mar A Lago and border security.

And I don't think we know how these ladies entered; or the status of the owners

 

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There is really no direct link between the proximity of this ring to Mar A Lago and border security.

And I don't think we know how these ladies entered; or the status of the owners

 

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  posted on 2/24/2019 at 01:00 PM
No direct link to Mar A Lago Thanks for rushing to clarify that. Out of the whole sad sordid affair that is the ONE thing you react to. LOL.

This indentured servitude happens a lot at restaurants too - one Thai place was busted here just recently. Now when I go to restaurants I leave cash tip hidden under the plate, as I doubt the workers get anything from the gratuity added to card payment. Some of these places I doubt the workers are making anything at all.

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  posted on 2/24/2019 at 01:35 PM
There's a connection to Mar-a-Lago. If Kraft had wanted a legit sports massage, he could've gone to the spa at Mar-A-Lago where he's a member. The article clearly states that the very existence of this cheapo place in the Mar-a-Lago/Hobe Sound/Jupiter/Palm Beach area - one of the wealthiest whitest (sorry Tiger) places in the US - being patronized by guys w/drivers indicated something wasn't right to the authorities.

Mr. Rabbit, your point that trafficked people are forced to live/work as slave labor, including factory and farming, is important. However, IMO, nothing's worse than be being forced to have sexual contact w/1,000 strangers a year w/the threat that their sister/mother left behind in China will be found & punished if they don't comply.

I don't know how these particular women from China got in, but my guess is that it wasn't via the southern border. Mine wasn't the first post to mention a wall wouldn't have prevented their entry.

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  posted on 2/24/2019 at 06:01 PM
Caterers are notorious for charging 20% service fees that workers never get.

And yes; I am sure they didn't cross the Rio Grande. However they got in if it was illegal that is a serious problem in our nation (and global trafficing is equall so for the world)

 

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  posted on 2/28/2019 at 03:07 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/robert-kraft-prostitution-case-see-2009 46133.html

Why are they trying to make such an example of Mr. Kraft? Couldn't they have just sent vice squad officers in there with audio recording equipment concealed and then got warrants?

"Patriots owner Robert Kraft was formally charged with two counts of soliciting prostitution in Jupiter, Florida this week and court records show he’s entered a plea on those charges. Kraft is accused of visiting the Orchids of Asia day spa on January 19 and 20 and paying to engage in sexual activity on both visits.

Both charges are misdemeanors. If convicted, Kraft can be sentenced to up to one year in prison along with a fine, community service and mandatory attendance in a class about the impact of human trafficking."

A madam not linked to the place Kraft was alleged to have had sex in, said this regarding why men do this.

"They do it because it’s sex. They do it because it’s convenient. They do it because it’s fast. They do it because it’s hassle-free. At least, until you’re caught."

"Given that there always has been and always will be a demand for sexual services, we need to decide: At what cost are we making transactional sex illegal?

When you make something that is in demand illegal, you create an opportunity for people who live outside the code of law to make money out of it. Some choose to do this by subjugating others.

For those who are against prostitution, just like those who are against pornography, it’s fine to hold that opinion. Just don’t participate in it or pay for it. But don’t impose your rules and values on the rest of us. There are 7 billion people on this planet. And a certain percentage of them are always going to be willing to pay for sex.

So the reason why Robert Kraft went to a Florida massage parlor allegedly for sex is because he wanted to. It was there. Sometimes you want to eat a nice steak, and sometimes you want fast food. It was the fast-food equivalent of sex. "



REMARKS: This behavior, by the men and the women will not change. States can legalize it, put in in red light districts etc. To make it a cheap commodity and separate it from it's original purpose to be part of an intimate relationship and also to use it to continue the species via having children is something mankind has done. Just getting off is the cheapo version of it. God did not intend it to be that way. People are degraded, emotionally ruined by rape so legalizing it is not really the answer.

If you outlaw and eliminate pornography and people want this to occur, realizing the damage it does to people and society the trafficking can stop. But here in America land of the free, nobody really wants it to stop. Women are used for commercial purposes in advertising and sex sells things. It is big business.

People can be sympathetic about the conditions the women are living in, but what solutions do people have to the trafficking problem? People seem to think that if women just became empowered and self employed prostitutes without someone pulling the strings from behind it will all be okay. It won't. People were not made to portion out parts of their body in that manner.





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  posted on 3/10/2019 at 03:02 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/massage-parlor-magnate-helped-steer -chinese-to-trump-nyc-fundraiser-attendee-says/ar-BBUzQHO

Not good. Yes the woman was/is the owner of the same spa that Mr. Kraft went to.

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