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  posted on 1/20/2019 at 09:42 AM
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  posted on 1/21/2019 at 08:18 AM
They haven't focus grouped their positions yet to see what will appeal to the targeted voter base.

Too many times they like to put their finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing before deciding where they stand on an issue. Par for politicians.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2019 at 04:07 PM
Nobody wants to keep fighting a never ending war. There are other things going on over there right now, including Gulbuddin Hekmatyar running for the Presidency in the Afghan elections. He was an ally to the Taliban and Osama and Al Qaida and has sway with certain factions of people. We cannot keep controlling who is leading Afghanistan as we did when Karzai was selected to take office. There are large numbers of people who want the freedoms that democracy promises, and then there are those that prefer a stricter kind of law and order, and while they may not have agreed with the Taliban in all respects, they did recognize that at least they restored law and order there. There is a lot going on over there, including the Taliban trying to broker peace deals with Saudi Arabia, Iran (for border security) with the support of Qatar. They will not however, recognize the current Afghan government as the leaders of the Afghan people.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2019 at 10:06 AM
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Nobody wants to keep fighting a never ending war. There are other things going on over there right now, including Gulbuddin Hekmatyar running for the Presidency in the Afghan elections. He was an ally to the Taliban and Osama and Al Qaida and has sway with certain factions of people. We cannot keep controlling who is leading Afghanistan as we did when Karzai was selected to take office. There are large numbers of people who want the freedoms that democracy promises, and then there are those that prefer a stricter kind of law and order, and while they may not have agreed with the Taliban in all respects, they did recognize that at least they restored law and order there. There is a lot going on over there, including the Taliban trying to broker peace deals with Saudi Arabia, Iran (for border security) with the support of Qatar. They will not however, recognize the current Afghan government as the leaders of the Afghan people.


The only people who want to fight never ending wars are probably the generals, who make warfare their living. If the enemy is not defeated, war can never end. Absent of military victory, elected politicians and leaders of nations end wars.

This is why listening to generals and military advisors is very important, but it can not be the only thing that goes into decisions.

The US trying to micro manage the entire world brings some benefit and also a host of problems leading me to question the net overall result.

Can the war against radical islamic terrorism ever be won? If the real answer to that question is no, we need to reconsider everything. If perpetual war is what it takes to minimize the terrorism risk for our country then that is something our nation will have to broadly accept and be honest about the overall impact of doing so.

Really, the world in total I think, is better off with strong men running these nations. Removing Hussein was a mistake, Gaddafi, doing the same with Assad would be the same. When one oppressor is gone, another one in a different form rises presenting new and bigger problems.

An extremely complicated tangled mess to unwind these things, but I do believe the right approach is less involvement, not more. Let them figure out their own affairs, in theory the less involvement we have, the less resentment we create towards ourselves by people that wish us ill.

Continuous war is normal now. Most Americans are so detached from the cost of it that we don't even know it is happening. Something very wrong about that.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2019 at 06:36 PM
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Nobody wants to keep fighting a never ending war. There are other things going on over there right now, including Gulbuddin Hekmatyar running for the Presidency in the Afghan elections. He was an ally to the Taliban and Osama and Al Qaida and has sway with certain factions of people. We cannot keep controlling who is leading Afghanistan as we did when Karzai was selected to take office. There are large numbers of people who want the freedoms that democracy promises, and then there are those that prefer a stricter kind of law and order, and while they may not have agreed with the Taliban in all respects, they did recognize that at least they restored law and order there. There is a lot going on over there, including the Taliban trying to broker peace deals with Saudi Arabia, Iran (for border security) with the support of Qatar. They will not however, recognize the current Afghan government as the leaders of the Afghan people.


The only people who want to fight never ending wars are probably the generals, who make warfare their living. If the enemy is not defeated, war can never end. Absent of military victory, elected politicians and leaders of nations end wars.

This is why listening to generals and military advisors is very important, but it can not be the only thing that goes into decisions.

The US trying to micro manage the entire world brings some benefit and also a host of problems leading me to question the net overall result.

Can the war against radical islamic terrorism ever be won? If the real answer to that question is no, we need to reconsider everything. If perpetual war is what it takes to minimize the terrorism risk for our country then that is something our nation will have to broadly accept and be honest about the overall impact of doing so.

Really, the world in total I think, is better off with strong men running these nations. Removing Hussein was a mistake, Gaddafi, doing the same with Assad would be the same. When one oppressor is gone, another one in a different form rises presenting new and bigger problems.

An extremely complicated tangled mess to unwind these things, but I do believe the right approach is less involvement, not more. Let them figure out their own affairs, in theory the less involvement we have, the less resentment we create towards ourselves by people that wish us ill.

Continuous war is normal now. Most Americans are so detached from the cost of it that we don't even know it is happening. Something very wrong about that.




I agree with a lot of what you said.

"Can the war against radical islamic terrorism ever be won? If the real answer to that question is no, we need to reconsider everything. If perpetual war is what it takes to minimize the terrorism risk for our country then that is something our nation will have to broadly accept and be honest about the overall impact of doing so."

The war against Islam cannot be won, whether it is the war against what we have defined as 'radical' Islam or any other Islam. Current Islam does not accept other religions. In addition to that there really is a HOLY WAR, but it is not so much Islam v. Christianity, it is the Satanists and their followers who live only for the pleasures of this world and either ignore or deny that there is a hereafter or a God at all. There are rightly guided among all of the groups and those that are rightly guided will eventually have to unite under one banner. When Jesus does actually fight the anti-Christ it will be groups of Arabs, Afghans, Syrians etc. who are with him they will recognize who he really is, while 80,000 troops from 10 or 12 different countries try to hunt him down to kill him. The world will be colossally deceived.

The Jews deny Jesus as the one God chose to preside over Judgment Day. God is a spirit or energy, which is why when the Jews needed an earthly flesh and blood messenger, he sent Jesus and put his spirit into him enabling him to correctly lead them. The Jews refused to be correctly guided. The Jews do not accept Christians, I remember asking one of the nuns when I was being educated 'well if the Jews are the chosen people, what about the rest of us, what do we get, why are we getting the short end of the stick? If he loves us why don't we count for anything, where will we be if it is only the Jews that will inherit the Kingdom" She really did not have an adequate answers for me other than God loves all people. Lucky for them I only had to go there once a week for class.

Muslims hate modern day Jews, there will be no real peace between these groups.

IF we abided by state sovereignty and did not take out the leaders of other countries under the premis of democracy or WMD's or whatever reason we say there is for us going there, then each land could remain intact, but for the anti-Christ to rise, all state sovereignty must be eliminated. There was a plan to do that here in this country, the North American Union, where Canada, the US and Mexico would be one big happy family, remember that?

Perpetual war is the way to break down the resolve of other nations. People get sick of fighting and being in constant war, and when you kill enough of their people, the rest of them will be more amenable to whatever plan you want to put in place.

Even Europe they want the European Union which will eventually get rid of the borders between those countries as they ban together for financial security.




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  posted on 1/25/2019 at 11:09 PM
Well, there just isn't any follow-up to that
 

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  posted on 1/26/2019 at 07:06 AM
During a recent visit to the library, I read Smithsonian Magazines latest issue, "America At War". Suffice to say, it gives one pause regardless of our nation's intentions to go to and fight war.

A few month's ago, a friend and I were chatting while running together and he mentioned that our children (some are teenagers) along with their friends and peers have known war all their lives. It made me sad thinking about it. What's worse, it won't be changing in the near future regardless of who's leading the country.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2019 at 10:54 PM
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Sounds like a pretty good answer to me!

 

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  posted on 1/31/2019 at 03:14 PM
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Well, there just isn't any follow-up to that


Well I learned something. The Afghans (those who long ago migrated to Afghanistan after originally going to places like India, Yemen, Egypt) were from the tribes of Bani Israel and Benjamin of the ORIGINAL tribes of Jews. They were the Sephardic Jews before Islam occurred.

The Jewish people who are in Israel today are from the Ashkenazi tribe, those were the European Jews.

The PROMISED land was promised to Jews from the original tribes, which would be those from the Sephardic tribe, some of which are modern day Taliban. The land rightfully belongs to them NOT the Ashkenazi Jews. In Ezekiel in the Bible it discusses the portions of the land, the divisions which are for evermore the inheritance of peoples from the original tribes. You will notice the tribe of Benjamin, who migrated to Afghanistan is guaranteed the land around the part guaranteed to THE PRINCE (which is Jesus). That is who God decreed and planned to surround Jesus's territory when he returns and slays the anti-Christ. God knows everything and he does not make mistakes. He knows what the rest of the world has not known.

 

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The Afghans (those who long ago migrated to Afghanistan after originally going to places like India, Yemen, Egypt) were from the tribes of Bani Israel and Benjamin of the ORIGINAL tribes of Jews. They were the Sephardic Jews before Islam occurred.

The Jewish people who are in Israel today are from the Ashkenazi tribe, those were the European Jews.

The PROMISED land was promised to Jews from the original tribes, which would be those from the Sephardic tribe, some of which are modern day Taliban. The land rightfully belongs to them NOT the Ashkenazi Jews.


Did those illegal Sephardic Afghans have green cards for their caravans to India, Yemen, Egypt?

You could say the same thing about indigenous people of the Americas having a right to freely migrate anywhere on a continent that the Creator gave them and then was stolen from them by the Europeans.




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  posted on 2/1/2019 at 04:30 PM
Back in the days of migrations due to wars and tribal conflicts they did not have an organized system of green cards or id cards. Nobody was considered illegal because everyone was migrating due to wars, weather etc. The forefathers of Afghans I mentioned(before they were Afghans) went to the area of Kashmir, India where the Deobondi sect of Islam was born. Others went to Egypt and Yemen. Yemen was originally a Christian country until it was converted to Islam. And the faith of Abraham came before Christianity.

You can read in your Bible the three people whom ALL of mankind was descended from. [the sons of Abraham]. it is in there.


Ever heard of Pangea?
https://mymodernmet.com/modern-pangea-map/

https://theculturetrip.com/africa/articles/this-map-shows-what-the-world-wo uld-look-like-if-pangea-still-existed/



[Edited on 2/1/2019 by gina]

 

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  posted on 2/1/2019 at 07:07 PM
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You can read in your Bible the three people whom ALL of mankind was descended from. [the sons of Abraham]. it is in there.


All three were African.

 

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  posted on 2/1/2019 at 09:49 PM
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Ever heard of Pangea?


Yes, in ninth grade Earth Science.

 
 


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