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  posted on 4/26/2019 at 12:36 PM
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I personally don't feel this is something "we need to have a conversation about", but rather something that shouldn't be looked into at all.


Why not? I won't lose sleep over it either way, and certain prisoners surely don't deserve the right, but if we restore the right to felons once released, what does the actual incarceration have to do with the right? I think it should be about the crime and conviction, not whether they are behind bars or not.


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I've noticed this as well. I didn't appreciate her response on that question.


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Now maybe Kamala has never thought of such a thing and therefore could offer nothing better than her vague answer. Sometimes that works and sometimes it is better for the candidates to show their depth on topics and be prepared to take a position. Seemed to me she wanted to leave it open ended for the appearance of supporting it, but in reality she doesn't want to turn off any would-be voters if she in fact has reservations about it.


I don't get the issue. I don't expect a candidate to have a direct answer for every single issue right on the spot, especially complicated ones. I find it refreshing that a candidate recognizes and respects that it's a complex issue that deserves time and thought. I don't see why an answer like that, especially this early in the game, is being viewed negatively.


 

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  posted on 4/26/2019 at 12:41 PM
You don't see it because you're a Democrat and she's a democrat and you tow the party line as hard as anyone.
 

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  posted on 4/26/2019 at 12:51 PM
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You don't see it because you're a Democrat and she's a democrat and you tow the party line as hard as anyone.


That's silly. I admire Reagan and the Bush family as much as anyone, and I pray to God every night that Trump would demonsrate that type of thoughtfulness when asked questions. Sorry man, but it's you that openly admits to towing the party line because of the nauseating liberal mindset. I respond to character and morals when picking a leader, not their political idealogy.

 

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  posted on 4/26/2019 at 01:12 PM
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You don't see it because you're a Democrat and she's a democrat and you tow the party line as hard as anyone.


That's silly. I admire Reagan and the Bush family as much as anyone, and I pray to God every night that Trump would demonsrate that type of thoughtfulness when asked questions. Sorry man, but it's you that openly admits to towing the party line because of the nauseating liberal mindset. I respond to character and morals when picking a leader, not their political idealogy.



As a Christian, no one casts their vote based on morals and character more than me. No one. And yes, some of the liberal agenda nauseates me, is that OK?

 

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You don't see it because you're a Democrat and she's a democrat and you tow the party line as hard as anyone.


That's silly. I admire Reagan and the Bush family as much as anyone, and I pray to God every night that Trump would demonsrate that type of thoughtfulness when asked questions. Sorry man, but it's you that openly admits to towing the party line because of the nauseating liberal mindset. I respond to character and morals when picking a leader, not their political idealogy.



As a Christian, no one casts their vote based on morals and character more than me. No one. And yes, some of the liberal agenda nauseates me, is that OK?


So what would a Christian think about Trump accepting the Saudi position when they murdered a Washington Post journalist and cut up his body into pieces?

Does the Christian position support Trump in his affairs with a porn star and a Playboy Bunny after his child was born? He's certainly a man of morals?

Do you consider Trump a man of character. We do realize he's not one of those with the liberal agenda. He has his own agenda, and I doubt it's a conservative agenda other than appointing judges to appease a certain segment of the base?

What is your position on Trump's speech at Liberty University when he showed his ignorance of the Bible when trying to spew a few lines laced with mispronunciations?

 

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  posted on 4/26/2019 at 01:57 PM
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If I were looking to a candidate on this issue I would've rather they took the position that when one is incarcerated they lose several of rights, the right to vote being just one.


If that's the case we should execute anyone who is incarcerated.

 

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  posted on 4/26/2019 at 02:13 PM
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As a Christian, no one casts their vote based on morals and character more than me. No one. And yes, some of the liberal agenda nauseates me, is that OK?


You can feel however you want, but would Jesus want you be nauseated by other people's values? And the liberal agenda included providing affordable healthcare for those less fortunate, which is as Christian as it gets. Obamacare is exactly what Jesus would've wanted, and he'd be disappointed at all the fellow right-wing Christians that not only oppose Jesus's main mission, but go even further as to hate the man (Obama) who proposed the idea. Strange times we live in I guess.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2019 at 09:42 AM
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I personally don't feel this is something "we need to have a conversation about", but rather something that shouldn't be looked into at all.


Why not? I won't lose sleep over it either way, and certain prisoners surely don't deserve the right, but if we restore the right to felons once released, what does the actual incarceration have to do with the right? I think it should be about the crime and conviction, not whether they are behind bars or not.


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I've noticed this as well. I didn't appreciate her response on that question.


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Now maybe Kamala has never thought of such a thing and therefore could offer nothing better than her vague answer. Sometimes that works and sometimes it is better for the candidates to show their depth on topics and be prepared to take a position. Seemed to me she wanted to leave it open ended for the appearance of supporting it, but in reality she doesn't want to turn off any would-be voters if she in fact has reservations about it.


I don't get the issue. I don't expect a candidate to have a direct answer for every single issue right on the spot, especially complicated ones. I find it refreshing that a candidate recognizes and respects that it's a complex issue that deserves time and thought. I don't see why an answer like that, especially this early in the game, is being viewed negatively.




I'm not losing any sleep, didn't think about this at all the last 24+ hours. I mean really, I could care or I could not care. At the moment I am choosing to care for the sake of conversation.

My opinion, and other people can have different ones of course, I'm not necessarily right and others aren't necessarily wrong, is that prisoners are not part of a normalized community or society and therefore do not need and should not have any influence on issues that take place outside the prison walls. And prisoners are often moved from facility to facility, county to county, state to state so their potential temporary status anywhere doesn't require them to be counted among a constituent base that local, state or federal representatives should have to answer to or cater to. I do not have any strong objection to allowing them to vote once they rejoin our communities and society upon their release - that is a more reasonable point to me.

For me, it is just a politician being a politician. Although I disagree with the position, I have more respect for Bernie to make his point and bear the consequences that a controversial position might create for him, but he speaks up and says what and why he believes in. Candidates that try and hide behind vague "maybes" on issues do not come across as very confident or knowledgeable to me. Rather they seem to not want to cross would-be supporters to maintain support among a certain base. Kamala expanded upon her thoughts the next day, had she offered that in the moment I wouldn't have given it much thought...other than I disagree with the position.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2019 at 09:49 AM
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. . . prisoners are not part of a normalized community or society and therefore do not need and should not have any influence on issues that take place outside the prison walls.


Then it follows that prisoners' income not be subject to taxation.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2019 at 11:40 AM
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but if we restore the right to felons once released, what does the actual incarceration have to do with the right? I think it should be about the crime and conviction, not whether they are behind bars or not.


"what does the actual incarceration have to do with the right"? EVERYTHING

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Seemed to me she wanted to leave it open ended for the appearance of supporting it, but in reality she doesn't want to turn off any would-be voters if she in fact has reservations about it.


Exactly. Take a stance, stand behind it and defend it. You wish people to follow?...Lead.


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I have more respect for Bernie to make his point and bear the consequences that a controversial position might create for him, but he speaks up and says what and why he believes in. Candidates that try and hide behind vague "maybes" on issues do not come across as very confident or knowledgeable to me.


BOOM! and Kamala does this a lot.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2019 at 12:15 PM

I'm happy to have my vote cancelled out by a violent criminal.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2019 at 12:18 PM
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I'm happy to have my vote cancelled out by a violent criminal.


"my vote cancelled out" - Mr. Drama Queen playing the victim card. So silly.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2019 at 12:22 PM
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"what does the actual incarceration have to do with the right"? EVERYTHING


What a profound analysis.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2019 at 01:04 PM
It would be good to hear forum members who belong to the majority of the US prison population doing time for dope or other lesser offenses, but I understand the reasons for not revealing that you are posting from behind bars, looking at the attitudes here .

Will just leave it at if you are inside for some lesser charge, particularly in the case of drugs, and more particularly for pot - I hope you get the right to vote for someone who might just change the bullsh!t law that put you there.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2019 at 02:48 PM
Looks like members of Trump's campaign and staff won't be able to vote for a while....
 

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  posted on 4/27/2019 at 03:57 PM
Every cloud has a silver lining.
 

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  posted on 4/27/2019 at 04:00 PM
It is really more of an "if you get caught you can't vote" deal. Unless the unjailed potsmokers in states where it is illegal decide not to vote out of respect for the law condemning their behavior.
 

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  posted on 4/30/2019 at 04:46 PM
Senate Bill 145 would prevent any candidates who will not release their tax returns from being able to run for the Presidency. 20 states have people who do not even want to allow him to run (The Democratic Party is behind this reportedly).

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nearly-20-blue-states-move-102042503.html



 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 12:24 PM
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Senate Bill 145 would prevent any candidates who will not release their tax returns from being able to run for the Presidency. 20 states have people who do not even want to allow him to run (The Democratic Party is behind this reportedly).

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nearly-20-blue-states-move-102042503.html




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Bills requiring prospective presidential candidates to disclose recent tax returns as a condition to appear on the ballot are currently pending in the following fourteen states: Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington. Similar legislation, introduced this year, failed in Maryland, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New Mexico and Virginia.



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Questions also remain whether states requiring presidential candidates to release their tax returns in order to appear on the ballot would be constitutional.


Not knowing myself the potential legality of their attempt; I would support such a requirement but would like to see it come at the national level so all states play by the same rules.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2019 at 12:29 PM
Michael Bennet (announced 5/2/19)
- 54, current US Senator from Colorado, former chief of staff to then Governor Hickenlooper, former Denver Public Schools Superintendent, businessman and lawyer.
http://michaelbennet.com/win

[Edited on 5/2/2019 by nebish]

 

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  posted on 5/5/2019 at 09:16 PM
Andrew Yang -Declared Candidate for the Democratic Party, office of the President of the United States

"Id start fining gun manufacturers $1 million for each person killed by their weapons. That would get more companies focused on how to keep guns out of the hands of those who would do others harm".

Genius!...Maybe we can fine the manufacturers of spoons too! (They make people fat)

 

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Andrew Yang -Declared Candidate for the Democratic Party, office of the President of the United States

"Id start fining gun manufacturers $1 million for each person killed by their weapons. That would get more companies focused on how to keep guns out of the hands of those who would do others harm".


I think Mr. Yang makes good sense. The most successful companies throughout our history have proven that the key to success is focusing on ways to keep people from buying their product.


 

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  posted on 5/6/2019 at 11:37 PM
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Andrew Yang -Declared Candidate for the Democratic Party, office of the President of the United States

"Id start fining gun manufacturers $1 million for each person killed by their weapons. That would get more companies focused on how to keep guns out of the hands of those who would do others harm".

Genius!...Maybe we can fine the manufacturers of spoons too! (They make people fat)


Absolutely ridiculous.

Republicans have mud on their face for doing nothing, something, anyt but this is pretty out there. So a civilian acts in self defense in an unfortunate situation to save their or their families' life and shoots and kills a perp. Lets say the state judicial process finds it was legitimate grounds of self defense and no charges are levied against the shooter. But the gun manufacturer would face a $1 million dollar fine. WTF? Crazy talk.

 

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  posted on 5/10/2019 at 08:37 AM
Boston Celtics Head Coach Brad Stevens or Mayor Pete Buttigieg?





 

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  posted on 5/10/2019 at 03:31 PM
And now that you mention it, has anyone ever seen the two of them at the same place at the same time?

 

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