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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 01:52 PM
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Sounds like the Obama admin was enforcing border security. Then why are you always screeching how Obama was against a secure border?


And why would Trump copy his most hated nemesis that he thinks is a horrible failure?


"Copy" is not an applicable term. It was the appropriate measure needed by both Administrations.

 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 02:53 PM
That's where you differ drastically from the hardliners who believe everything one administration does is successful, right and good, where another administration could only fail, err, and be bad. Until their idol needs his actions defended then they immediately point out similar actions done by their enemy, whom they suddenly agree with if it suits their agenda. Every time. Add up how many times this happens and you end up with resounding support of many the policies of their enemy, who they claim is 100% wrong on everything, 100% of the time. Horsesh!t.

 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 03:09 PM
I can’t imagine Obama doing this, with him hating America and all.

 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 03:20 PM
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That's where you differ drastically from the hardliners who believe everything one administration does is successful, right and good, where another administration could only fail, err, and be bad. Until their idol needs his actions defended then they immediately point out similar actions done by their enemy, whom they suddenly agree with if it suits their agenda. Every time. Add up how many times this happens and you end up with resounding support of many the policies of their enemy, who they claim is 100% wrong on everything, 100% of the time. Horsesh!t.


I can only speak for myself, period. Your statement above very clearly (at least to me) defines the "problem" with identifying as a "Democrat" or a "Republican". For a reason that has never been clear to me, politically speaking, one Party has to fit the other into a nice, little, Box. "Oh, you believe that!?...How could you?!...You must be a _________"! And conversely these same people have a tremendously challenging road ahead of them when confronted by anyone with views they can not categorize.

For example: "This administration took the steps it felt necessary to deal with the issue at hand"

It matters not to me who has executed these solutions before, but rather, "is this the process that has the best chance of success now"?

I do however find it incredibly hypocritical of any group to criticize an action they themselves had adopted in prior similar circumstances, regardless of who attempted it first. "Neener, neener" at its finest. And a perfect answer to why so little compromise is ever agreed upon.

 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 03:28 PM
Crying hypocrite at a party-liner is like yelling blue at the sky. Zero point in that noise.

Good this border mess hasn't erupted into shooting and fatalities so far.


 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 04:02 PM
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Crying hypocrite at a party-liner is like yelling blue at the sky. Zero point in that noise.


Yet both groups continue with this behavior.------ "hypocritical of any group"
Trust me it will be the other Parties "turn" soon enough.

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Good this border mess hasn't erupted into shooting and fatalities so far.


My sincere hope is that this will not transpire; the burden of a death is more on the refugees than it is on the Border patrol. They can choose to respect the LAW of the country they "desperately" want to enter. Climbing over fences and throwing stones while waving Flags that represent the Homeland that has tyrannized them does not accurately depict one seeking asylum.

If you don't want violence, do not try to cross the border Illegally.

 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 06:54 PM
Pretty dumb to show up at the border in a big crowd all after asylum at once. Guaranteed bureaucratic boondoggle. As well as the bullsh!t behavior BigV pointed out, foolish and offensive. If I was the judge reviewing the asylum application and saw notes the person was being a nuisance at the border I would not grant the request.

Under US law illegal crossing is a misdemeanor, although there is a penalty it does not bar you from applying for asylum once you are in the country, although it could affect the judge's ruling.

Can't blame them for trying, any one of us would do the same thing if forced by circumstance.


 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 07:56 PM
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It's off topic but it's the WP
Current Headline

"7 nooses found by Mississippi Capitol before Senate runoff"

60-something years on, the Phil Ochs song "Here's To The State of Mississippi" continues to be right -- racist slimeballs continue to grow out from under rocks, and fester there

why would immigrants want anything to do w/the USA with Hitler-like stuff like that, mass shootings etc, still devouring the soul of America

on topic, don't know why the immigration problem is so difficult


Stephen this deserves it's own thread. Please create one.

There is a lot going on with these statewide races. For those who are unaware significant changes have been made in different states. North Dakota amended their state Constitution to create an ethics commission. Massachusetts also created a Citizens Commission. Ohio passed legislation making abortion illegal and criminalizing it so that Dr.'s who help women get them can be sent to prison.

In this day and age for nooses to appear in Mississippi tells you how serious problems are in some of the states in this country.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/27/politics/mississippi-senate-what-to-watch/in dex.html



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  posted on 11/28/2018 at 12:17 AM
Gina that link is to CNN. Must be fake noose.
 

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The U.S. Border Patrol agents used non-lethal tear-gas on a large group of men that were attacking them with rocks and chunks of concrete.

The Democrats and lefties scream that “Trump is using chemical weapons against women and children” which is a gross misrepresentation of what happened.

When the same actions were taken by the Obama administration many times the Democrats and lefties said nothing.

The Democrats and lefties are hypocrites.



 

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  posted on 11/28/2018 at 04:23 PM
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The Democrats and lefties are hypocrites.





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  posted on 11/28/2018 at 04:50 PM
Democrat bad. Republican good.
 

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  posted on 11/28/2018 at 05:07 PM
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Democrat bad. Republican good.


The bad is inadequate immigration laws and the political game playing.

 

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  posted on 11/28/2018 at 06:56 PM
So who has been in charge of congress and the white house? What have they done about it, except make it worse?
 

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So who has been in charge of congress and the white house? What have they done about it, except make it worse?


President Trump made Chuck and Nancy a comprehensive offer that included many more dreamers than they had asked.

Schumer and Pelosi refused.

The Democrats walked away.



 

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  posted on 11/30/2018 at 02:34 PM
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The U.S. Border Patrol agents used non-lethal tear-gas on a large group of men that were attacking them with rocks and chunks of concrete.

The Democrats and lefties scream that “Trump is using chemical weapons against women and children” which is a gross misrepresentation of what happened.

When the same actions were taken by the Obama administration many times the Democrats and lefties said nothing.

The Democrats and lefties are hypocrites.


Sound Cannons would disperse a crowd and turn them away. It even worked on hardened Al Qaida fighters in Iraq. Nobody could bear the effects of those sound cannons.


 

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  posted on 1/18/2019 at 05:40 PM
All these people from the Caravan just used smuggling tunnels to come here. Makes you really think if the wall will stop them if it is build.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/largest-single-group-migrants-ever-tunnels-under- border-114208863--abc-news-topstories.html

 

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  posted on 1/18/2019 at 06:38 PM
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All these people from the Caravan just used smuggling tunnels to come here. Makes you really think if the wall will stop them if it is build.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/largest-single-group-migrants-ever-tunnels-under- border-114208863--abc-news-topstories.html


Now you're starting to understand.

 

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  posted on 1/18/2019 at 07:33 PM
There still needs to be some sort of barrier and then probably sensors with overhead surveillance.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2019 at 05:44 PM
While international law for asylum seekers is clear, that the seekers have to seek asylum in the first country they set foot on once they leave their own land (if they are refugees from a natural disaster or they are from a war torn country like Syria), this is interesting as to why Mexico does not qualify as a SAFE THIRD COUNTRY for Asylum seekers.

https://www.womensrefugeecommission.org/images/zdocs/SafeThirdCountries.pdf

"We don't have any bi-lateral or multilateral agreement in place with them." Oh boy.

Mexico has said they will not the asylum seekers to come back to Mexico once they are in the US (even illegally)

So we cannot just send them back there. There is a caravan (a new one) with 1800 people heading our way. This needs to be addressed.


AND YET the US plans to try to start sending some of them back today!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-administration -to-start-sending-asylum-seekers-back-to-mexico/2019/01/24/53961fb0-2022-11 e9-8e21-59a09ff1e2a1_story.html?utm_term=.86d7a689ba9c





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  posted on 1/25/2019 at 05:50 PM
To get around the idea of we are sending back for you to deal with, we do it nicely. We say we want to send them back there to wait for their cases to come up in the US courts.

https://www.wola.org/analysis/trump-asylum-seekers-wait-in-mexico-border-cr isis/

Under the announced “Migrant Protection Protocols,” individuals entering the United States at the official ports of entry without proper documentation, or who are apprehended between the ports of entry, will be returned to Mexico to wait out their immigration proceedings. Launched on January 25 as a pilot program at the San Ysidro port of entry, the program will initially apply to those who are requesting asylum at this port. This includes thousands of Central Americans and asylum seekers of other nationalities who have been waiting months in Tijuana for an appointment with U.S. officials. According to news reports, these individuals will not be screened for asylum; rather, they will be given a notice to appear before a U.S. immigration judge in 45 days.

"During fiscal year 2018, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) administered preliminary asylum screenings, known as “credible fear interviews,” for 92,959 migrants seeking protection in the United States who arrived at the southwest border."

"Because the U.S. Justice Department employs only 395 immigration judges, the current backlog in U.S. immigration courts has reached over 800,000 cases. As a result, those who enter into the U.S. asylum system are now usually being given initial hearing dates in late 2021 at the earliest, and often for 2022 or 2023."


COMMENT: Does anyone of the Democrats in Congress NOT realize there is a problem with the influx of illegals coming into this country and that border security needs to be dealt with? One of Trumps proposals that the Democrats did not like was to appropriate more money for Judges to deal with the backlog of cases. They did not think that was important. There are 800,000 backlogged cases, the hearings cannot even be held for 2, 3 or 4 years from now and that is just with the people already waiting, and the caravans keep coming.

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  posted on 1/26/2019 at 08:06 AM
No one's mentioned that our southern border neighbor is rotten with corruption to the core, reaching the highest levels. There is no way that mutual border cooperation can be trusted when the past President is crooked.

Former Mexican President Peña Nieto Took $100 Million Bribe, Witness at El Chapo Trial Says

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/nyregion/el-chapo-trial.html

One effective solution is a wall with technology that cant be paid off by the cartel.

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  posted on 1/26/2019 at 01:28 PM
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No one's mentioned that our southern border neighbor is rotten with corruption to the core, reaching the highest levels. There is no way that mutual border cooperation can be trusted when the past President is crooked.


Agreed. This is the root of the problem. All Latino countries in Central America and the Caribbean have corrupt leadership that pocket the funds that could build infrastructure and economies. If they would build up their countries, there wouldn’t be a need for the people to flee. I’d fully support American efforts to replace the leadership in Mexico with one that is interested in building up the country, and give the people safety, food, shelter, healthcare, and work.

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One effective solution is a wall with technology that cant be paid off by the cartel.


Is this an accusation against our border agents?

 

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  posted on 1/26/2019 at 01:39 PM
I don't think anybody has considered El Chapo, I have read excerpts from his trial. If they are true then he operates like a Mexican Mafia Don.

Right now Trump says 8,000 more people are heading for the U.S. in a caravan.

"We have turned away, at great expense, two major Caravans, but a big one has now formed and is coming. At least 8000 people! If we had a powerful Wall, they wouldn’t even try to make the long and dangerous journey. Build the Wall and Crime will Fall!"

@realDonaldTrump
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At this point with the sheer numbers of people who are trying to come into America, the Democrats have to realize:

1) We cannot afford to have another shutdown, because then the negotiations in Congress stop (as I understand it) and the President has to act on his own to solve the problems.

2) We do not want to end up with martial law on any street in America which could happen if another shutdown occurs and goes on long enough.

3) I mentioned last time those 800,000 workers not being paid, who could not pay their mortgages and what that does to the banking sector. We do not need another banking bailout in this country.

A solution is partial funding for part of the wall. Continue working on asylum and immigration reform with both houses of Congress taking part and coming forth with meaningful reforms. We cannot have unrestrained invasion of our country by ANY groups of people, it becomes a free for all, people get shot, bad things happen.

Not that I agree with it, but US military forces have held Talibs at bay in Afghanistan, is this what is necessary on our southern border, to have ground troops and then "air support" (choppers shooting people breaching the border). Right now, for the last five days there have been peace negotiations going on in Qatar between the Taliban and the US Representative, Zalmay Khalizad, yet in Sangin District in Helmand Province there were two mass shootings of women and children from US forces. The US denies they were US forces (shooting from choppers in the sky) but the United Nations affirms there is "credible evidence" that this is what happened. This was reported in the New York Times today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/world/asia/afghanistan-airstrikes-taliba n.html?action=click&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=Article®ion=Footer& amp;contentCollection=Asia%20Pacific

UNAMA is following up on credible reports of civilian casualties, including children, from an aerial operation in #Sangin district of #Helmand.

https://twitter.com/UNAMAnews
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These scenes which are always somewhere else can become commonplace at our southern border if unruly, unrestrained people continue, yes CONTINUE, to breach our border. The news can place nice and not report on it, but it will happen IF nothing is done to secure the border.

What is Pelosi's point? Let them all in, and register them as Democrats to try to take back the 2020 election?
She said yesterday she will not approve "one dime" that is 10 cents to build the wall. This must change.




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