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  posted on 10/11/2018 at 02:13 PM
1. I'm really enjoying it - it's a bit easier on the ears than his prior stuff

2. several of the songs themselves, and Marcus' guitar tone, sound an awfully lot like the TTB and DT.


 
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  posted on 10/12/2018 at 11:57 AM
I need to listen some more the first album grabbed my by the juju right away. This one not so much. I miss the rough guitar edge but maybe I just haven't found it yet.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2018 at 12:00 PM
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1. I'm really enjoying it - it's a bit easier on the ears than his prior stuff

2. several of the songs themselves, and Marcus' guitar tone, sound an awfully lot like the TTB and DT.




Thanks I wasn't aware he had one out. Going to check it out.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2018 at 01:36 PM
I like it a lot. I know he was using Tele's more in the studio on this one. It's got a good "feel" to it. Dave Cobb is a master.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2018 at 05:51 PM
Boring, unoriginal, derivative. He sounds like a Warren wannabe.
 

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  posted on 10/13/2018 at 10:17 PM
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1. I'm really enjoying it - it's a bit easier on the ears than his prior stuff

2. several of the songs themselves, and Marcus' guitar tone, sound an awfully lot like the TTB and DT.




And when he doesn’t sound like DT he sounds like Warren.

He’s definitely good but he definitely needs to get comfortable on his own skin

But, if I gave up on a young Kenny Wayne Shepherd for being derivative, I would’ve missed seeing a fantastic guitar player growing into what he is today. So, l stick around.

But yeah, he needs his own style.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2018 at 06:37 AM
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Boring, unoriginal, derivative. He sounds like a Warren wannabe.


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  posted on 10/14/2018 at 09:59 AM
I think he sounds a lot lik ehmself, especially in his singing and songwriting, which is very personal and very strong.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2018 at 10:14 AM
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I think he sounds a lot lik ehmself, especially in his singing and songwriting, which is very personal and very strong.


exactly

I don't think anyone sounds like Marcus vocally especially for his age. I do hear influences of Derek and Warren but it isn't like he's copying their chops. The MKB is another branch of the ABB that music needs right now.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2018 at 01:19 PM
I just listened to it.

He's GREAT!

 

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  posted on 10/15/2018 at 10:13 AM
Like it. Heard him with Lesh in Mobile, great.
 

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  posted on 10/15/2018 at 12:22 PM
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Boring, unoriginal, derivative. He sounds like a Warren wannabe.

I agree. I also can't stand his voice he makes JB of WSP actually sound like a great singer.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2018 at 01:36 PM
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I think he sounds a lot lik ehmself, especially in his singing and songwriting, which is very personal and very strong.


+1


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  posted on 10/15/2018 at 02:31 PM
Just got it yesterday - listened twice today and I like it.
 

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  posted on 10/16/2018 at 04:16 PM
Heard live versions of many of the tunes and liked them. New disc is on the way.
I like him and the band
I agree with those that say he has his own sound
He borrows from others, including Derek and Warren, but who doesn't?

Looking forward to seeing him again in November

 

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  posted on 10/17/2018 at 02:19 AM


He is a monster guitar player.

The new record is good, “Goodbye Carolina” got stuck in my head so badly that I had to stop listening to it for a bit.

 

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  posted on 10/18/2018 at 04:03 PM
I've listened to it a couple of times. The playing and arrangements are excellent but the writing to me is the weak point.

Almost everybody these days has to write their own material, it seems, and some just aren't that great writers. It used to be that an album might contain a couple of fillers - weak songs to make up the time. The ratio these days seems much higher.

Maybe all the great ideas, lyrics, riffs, hooks etc have been used over and over to the point that very little sounds fresh and inventive.

Even Warren Haynes, for all the great songs he has written, has penned an awful lot of average material to my ears.

I still love the MKB live where jams and covers augment their own songs.

 

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  posted on 10/18/2018 at 05:52 PM
Every musician borrows from their influences and Marcus IMO has a lot more influences than just Haynes and Trucks. He has plenty of his own sound in their and I love his male version of Janis Joplin vocals. Love the new record as well as their first two and look forward to their further progression. Live is by far the best way to experience this band though.

 

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  posted on 10/19/2018 at 08:43 AM
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Maybe all the great ideas, lyrics, riffs, hooks etc have been used over and over to the point that very little sounds fresh and inventive.

Even Warren Haynes, for all the great songs he has written, has penned an awful lot of average material to my ears.


This is an interesting take on it. Honestly, there's only 12 notes....style/voice/feel....all of it, if you're trying to develop your own sound or sometimes, you just sound like you, has to do with your interpretation of those 12 notes. People have been doing it throughout all of history. So there's always fresh to be found, it's just a matter of the creative aspect. And it's HARD, don't get me wrong, but it's there.

In terms of songwriting and songwriters, I can only speak for myself, but we all right average material. I used to sit and wait on inspiration, but since I moved to Nashville to dive into writing more, I've learned the trick is to write when you're uninspired. You have to exercise it just like any other muscle....it's definitely a craft. We all write stuff that winds up in the trash bin, but we're writing. If you have that skill, and are willing to learn the craft behind it, you're going to write sh*t songs....but at that point it's almost a numbers game. It's really kinda hard to explain, hopefully that helped a little?

 

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  posted on 10/19/2018 at 09:00 AM
i wish i could be good enough to be a DT and WH wannabe!

 

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  posted on 10/19/2018 at 12:03 PM
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Maybe all the great ideas, lyrics, riffs, hooks etc have been used over and over to the point that very little sounds fresh and inventive.

Even Warren Haynes, for all the great songs he has written, has penned an awful lot of average material to my ears.


This is an interesting take on it. Honestly, there's only 12 notes....style/voice/feel....all of it, if you're trying to develop your own sound or sometimes, you just sound like you, has to do with your interpretation of those 12 notes. People have been doing it throughout all of history. So there's always fresh to be found, it's just a matter of the creative aspect. And it's HARD, don't get me wrong, but it's there.

In terms of songwriting and songwriters, I can only speak for myself, but we all right average material. I used to sit and wait on inspiration, but since I moved to Nashville to dive into writing more, I've learned the trick is to write when you're uninspired. You have to exercise it just like any other muscle....it's definitely a craft. We all write stuff that winds up in the trash bin, but we're writing. If you have that skill, and are willing to learn the craft behind it, you're going to write sh*t songs....but at that point it's almost a numbers game. It's really kinda hard to explain, hopefully that helped a little?


Great information.

I read an interview of Derek several years back that compared slide to electric guitar in terms of undiscovered sound. His opinion that since the slide guitar was not nearly as popular as electric it was "relatively easier" to create new sounds. (I may be using "sounds improperly but am not a musician)


A question:

Hasn't it become almost impossible to make a living as a songwriter with the advent of digital music?

Sorry if I'm hijacking the intent of the thread. As I noted above I really like the new album by Marcus.

 

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  posted on 10/19/2018 at 12:24 PM
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Maybe all the great ideas, lyrics, riffs, hooks etc have been used over and over to the point that very little sounds fresh and inventive.

Even Warren Haynes, for all the great songs he has written, has penned an awful lot of average material to my ears.


This is an interesting take on it. Honestly, there's only 12 notes....style/voice/feel....all of it, if you're trying to develop your own sound or sometimes, you just sound like you, has to do with your interpretation of those 12 notes. People have been doing it throughout all of history. So there's always fresh to be found, it's just a matter of the creative aspect. And it's HARD, don't get me wrong, but it's there.

In terms of songwriting and songwriters, I can only speak for myself, but we all right average material. I used to sit and wait on inspiration, but since I moved to Nashville to dive into writing more, I've learned the trick is to write when you're uninspired. You have to exercise it just like any other muscle....it's definitely a craft. We all write stuff that winds up in the trash bin, but we're writing. If you have that skill, and are willing to learn the craft behind it, you're going to write sh*t songs....but at that point it's almost a numbers game. It's really kinda hard to explain, hopefully that helped a little?


Agree with this post.

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  posted on 10/19/2018 at 01:27 PM
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Hasn't it become almost impossible to make a living as a songwriter with the advent of digital music?


Yes, and no. Some aspects have become easier (demoing your music is now doable at your own home and with, generally speaking....depending on your own knack for production/engineering, very good quality.

The only aspect that is harder is getting radio or album cuts. But that's always been tough, and you gotta have the goods. There's tricks to it, but yes it's hard. So really, the hard part is still hard. Haha.

[Edited on 10/19/2018 by jparadise]

 

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  posted on 10/20/2018 at 04:22 AM
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And it's HARD, don't get me wrong, but it's there.


Thanks for the response.

Maybe I didn't express myself very well. I know that song writing is a difficult art, that there are only so many notes and keys to deploy. If it was easy we - including me - would all be knocking out half a dozen classics before lunch!

My point was that every band and artist these days seems to rely on self-written material and in a lot of, if not most, cases it's not really strong enough. Not everyone can be a Lennon and McCartney, Carole King, Paul Simon, Pete Townsend, Jimmy Webb or Burt Bacharach.

Would it not benefit these artists to perform more songs written by specialist songwriters or to cover classics?

I'm thinking of the days when people such as Bernie Taupin (Elton John), Pete Sinfield (King Crimson), Keith Reid (Procol Harum), Robert Hunter (Dead), Clive James (Pete Atkin) etc worked with artists in a purely song writing capacity.

One of my favourite albums is Diamonds and Rust by Joan Baez. Aside from the brilliant title track and three others which Baez wrote the rest are covers, mostly very successful: Blue Sky, Fountain Of Sorrow by Jackson Browne, Dylan's Simple Twist Of Fate, John Prine's Hello In There, Jesse by Janis Ian and so on. And it all makes for a very satisfying album.

A lot of GA's later work was mainly covers too.

Now there might well be an issue with paying royalties but am I more likely to buy a great album containing arrangements of other writers' songs, or an indifferent effort which is totally comprised of the artists' own weak material? The ideal is a great album of the artists' own strong material but I'm finding that rare these days.

I don't think there's much doubt that the number of great new songs being written these days is much reduced from previous decades, which suggests that song writing is a dying art or, as I originally said, it has all been said before.

Even the great writers seem to dry up eventually.



[Edited on 10/20/2018 by Shavian]

 

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  posted on 10/20/2018 at 08:52 AM
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Honestly, there's only 12 notes....style/voice/feel....all of it, if you're trying to develop your own sound or sometimes, you just sound like you, has to do with your interpretation of those 12 notes. People have been doing it throughout all of history. So there's always fresh to be found, it's just a matter of the creative aspect. And it's HARD, don't get me wrong, but it's there.


"Music is essentially 12 notes between any octave. Twelve notes, and the octave repeats. It's the same story, told over and over, forever. All any artist can offer the world is how they see those 12 notes. That's it. He loved how you see them." -- "12 Notes" from A Star is Born (movie & soundtrack)


[Edited on 10/20/2018 by cyclone88]

 
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