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  posted on 10/5/2018 at 04:17 PM
Kavanaugh wasn't toast.

 

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  posted on 10/5/2018 at 07:52 PM
Doesn't matter. What does matter is unlike a certain ugly here, you are able to say "I was wrong." Which makes you all right in my book.
 

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  posted on 10/5/2018 at 08:16 PM
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Doesn't matter. What does matter is unlike a certain ugly here, you are able to say "I was wrong." Which makes you all right in my book.


I agree. It is impossible to have any reasonable discourse around here when a certain misanthrope comes around. Kudos to you, sir.

 

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  posted on 10/5/2018 at 08:36 PM
Win some, lose some and keep on riding.

 

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  posted on 10/5/2018 at 08:49 PM
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But I'll live on and I'll be strong
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  posted on 10/5/2018 at 09:43 PM
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Kavanaugh wasn't toast.


Woops.
Not to worry, the sun will rise tomorrow and the lefties will try some other manufactured crisis.

After losing the last ones some creative thinking may be in order.
Y'all might want to start with getting some new leadership.


[Edited on 10/6/2018 by Muleman1994]

 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 10:58 AM
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Kavanaugh wasn't toast.


Many of us were hopeful and it's too bad we were wrong.

When a former SCOTUS justice, 1500+ law professors, and the ABA think a nominee should be disqualified for lying under oath and his display of temper and partisanship before the senate judiciary committee, rational people can believe that the senate will reject him. It's not as though Trump doesn't have other candidates who might be a little less hysterical & entitled. The ideology wouldn't be different, but the character might be.


 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 12:15 PM
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Kavanaugh wasn't toast.


Many of us were hopeful and it's too bad we were wrong.

When a former SCOTUS justice, 1500+ law professors, and the ABA think a nominee should be disqualified for lying under oath and his display of temper and partisanship before the senate judiciary committee, rational people can believe that the senate will reject him. It's not as though Trump doesn't have other candidates who might be a little less hysterical & entitled. The ideology wouldn't be different, but the character might be.





A few ABA liberal mouth pieces came out against Judge Kavanaugh. They were not speaking for the ABA.

The ABA gave Judge Kavanaugh its highest possible rating.

Judge Kavanaugh did not lie under oath. That lie came from the Democrats and Fake News.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 03:04 PM
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A few ABA liberal mouth pieces came out against Judge Kavanaugh. They were not speaking for the ABA.

The ABA gave Judge Kavanaugh its highest possible rating.

Judge Kavanaugh did not lie under oath. That lie came from the Democrats and Fake News.



I am a member of the ABA. The rating was amended to read that its evaluation of Judge Kav's "temperament" changed after his appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Questions regarding the application of sanctions for lying to the SJC were communicated to ABA members.

The topic of this thread is an admission that those of us who predicted or believed that Kav wouldn't be approved were proven wrong. That's an expression of surrender and disappointment. Piling on serves no purpose.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 03:42 PM
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Piling on serves no purpose.



 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 03:58 PM
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Kavanaugh wasn't toast.


Many of us were hopeful and it's too bad we were wrong.

When a former SCOTUS justice, 1500+ law professors, and the ABA think a nominee should be disqualified for lying under oath and his display of temper and partisanship before the senate judiciary committee, rational people can believe that the senate will reject him. It's not as though Trump doesn't have other candidates who might be a little less hysterical & entitled. The ideology wouldn't be different, but the character might be.





A few ABA liberal mouth pieces came out against Judge Kavanaugh. They were not speaking for the ABA.

The ABA gave Judge Kavanaugh its highest possible rating.

Judge Kavanaugh did not lie under oath. That lie came from the Democrats and Fake News.



Kavanaugh absolutely did lie under oath. The fact that you and the Republican party don't care says a lot about you and your party.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 04:34 PM
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Kavanaugh wasn't toast.


Hemp, by now you should have learned never to underestimate the sheer lack of morality and common decency to be found in a Republican politician.

 

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Kavanaugh wasn't toast.


Many of us were hopeful and it's too bad we were wrong.

When a former SCOTUS justice, 1500+ law professors, and the ABA think a nominee should be disqualified for lying under oath and his display of temper and partisanship before the senate judiciary committee, rational people can believe that the senate will reject him. It's not as though Trump doesn't have other candidates who might be a little less hysterical & entitled. The ideology wouldn't be different, but the character might be.





A few ABA liberal mouth pieces came out against Judge Kavanaugh. They were not speaking for the ABA.

The ABA gave Judge Kavanaugh its highest possible rating.

Judge Kavanaugh did not lie under oath. That lie came from the Democrats and Fake News.



Kavanaugh absolutely did lie under oath. The fact that you and the Republican party don't care says a lot about you and your party.



You are a liar.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 04:52 PM
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Kavanaugh wasn't toast.


Many of us were hopeful and it's too bad we were wrong.

When a former SCOTUS justice, 1500+ law professors, and the ABA think a nominee should be disqualified for lying under oath and his display of temper and partisanship before the senate judiciary committee, rational people can believe that the senate will reject him. It's not as though Trump doesn't have other candidates who might be a little less hysterical & entitled. The ideology wouldn't be different, but the character might be.





A few ABA liberal mouth pieces came out against Judge Kavanaugh. They were not speaking for the ABA.

The ABA gave Judge Kavanaugh its highest possible rating.

Judge Kavanaugh did not lie under oath. That lie came from the Democrats and Fake News.



Kavanaugh absolutely did lie under oath. The fact that you and the Republican party don't care says a lot about you and your party.



You are a liar.



You are delusional.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 05:21 PM
Why are the lefties so afraid of a now Supreme Court Justice with a proven track record of ruling based on the law?

 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 06:47 PM
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I am a member of the ABA. The rating was amended to read that its evaluation of Judge Kav's "temperament" changed after his appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Questions regarding the application of sanctions for lying to the SJC were communicated to ABA members.


@cyclone: Am curious as to the specifics of your ABA communique.

I personally found the 'drinking age' statement disturbing, not because of the underage drinking, which is normal enough, but because it was flat out false.

Even if you grant Kavanaugh 'ignorance under pressure' re this detail, a perfectly understandable mistake, how could his battery of elite lawyers have missed this and not briefed him? There is simply no way they could have overlooked this, they had to have been going over every detail. I found the legislation in the Maryland State Archives in 20 minutes online.

I cannot believe they were unaware of it. The only conclusion is that they simply did not care, and the whole business was a charade with a foregone outcome.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 08:03 PM
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I am a member of the ABA. The rating was amended to read that its evaluation of Judge Kav's "temperament" changed after his appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Questions regarding the application of sanctions for lying to the SJC were communicated to ABA members.


@cyclone: Am curious as to the specifics of your ABA communique.

I personally found the 'drinking age' statement disturbing, not because of the underage drinking, which is normal enough, but because it was flat out false.

Even if you grant Kavanaugh 'ignorance under pressure' re this detail, a perfectly understandable mistake, how could his battery of elite lawyers have missed this and not briefed him? There is simply no way they could have overlooked this, they had to have been going over every detail. I found the legislation in the Maryland State Archives in 20 minutes online.

I cannot believe they were unaware of it. The only conclusion is that they simply did not care, and the whole business was a charade with a foregone outcome.


It appears that perjury doesn't matter anymore. At least if it is a Republican evaluating another Republican. I guess it's just a sign of the times in Trump's America. The truth no longer matters, as long as you support the guy.

 

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@cyclone: Am curious as to the specifics of your ABA communique.

I personally found the 'drinking age' statement disturbing, not because of the underage drinking, which is normal enough, but because it was flat out false.

Even if you grant Kavanaugh 'ignorance under pressure' re this detail, a perfectly understandable mistake, how could his battery of elite lawyers have missed this and not briefed him? There is simply no way they could have overlooked this, they had to have been going over every detail. I found the legislation in the Maryland State Archives in 20 minutes online.

I cannot believe they were unaware of it. The only conclusion is that they simply did not care, and the whole business was a charade with a foregone outcome.


@BR: I'll answer you directly & exclusively. The ABA is not a regulatory body; it's a policy organization comprised of lawyers. Its rules of conduct for both lawyers and judges are models adopted & enforced by each state and the federal circuits. It doesn't prep nominees for SJC hearings. It provides information to the SJC for hearings.

A standing committee is charged with evaluating the LEGAL PROFESSIONAL qualifications of a judicial nominee. For SCOTUS nominees, a committee of pre-existing members provides the SJC 1 of 3 ratings - Well Qualified, Qualified, and Not Qualified based on its findings from within their circuits. Essentially, expert law professors examine the soundness & quality of writings (opinions, journal articles), former law clerks of the judge are interviewed, and well-regarded peers of the nominee are questioned about qualifications. The committee relies on information provided by these lawyers. Any ethical violations on record would be brought to the attention of the committee. Teams of interviewers report to the committee who then provides a rating to the SJC. The FBI conducts background checks.

The short answer is, unless there was an overwhelming number of lawyers, many of whom were former law clerks of the nominee who presumably know him best, who said "He has a reputation for lying, is often so drunk that he blacks out, and sobs & angrily shouts at lawyers & other judges during hearings so we question his mental state," the ABA isn't going to know. There's no conspiracy & the evaluation isn't worthless, but it's limited to what its members reveal to the committee well in advance of the actual hearings. Its evaluation to the SJC is advisory on professional qualifications only.

What caught the ABA by surprise was the unstable temperament & disrespect to senators who are constitutionally obligated to question him that Kav displayed in the weeks prior to and during the 9/27 SJC hearing. The appearance of integrity is paramount to the ABA for judges. His behavior is what prompted the amended evaluation & the ABA informed the SJC of that reason.

As to your specific question about underage drinking, that wouldn't have been something the ABA would've known. The FBI would presumably be checking things like underage drinking. The supplemental FBI investigation's mission was unclear. Most of us thought it meant the FBI would be fact-checking Kav's statements against police reports, Maryland laws, and witness accounts for discrepancies such as what you noted.






 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 08:35 PM
Why would he perjure himself on such a trivial misdemeanor? It wasn't even the issue. I think it came at him out of the sun and he didn't know. Where was his team? They could have told him and he could have shrugged off the matter as a normal peccadillo that many young people do. Instead he gave false info and came off appearing uninformed and unprofessional.

(sry cyclone, leapfrogged your post, reading it now)

[Edited on 10/7/2018 by BrerRabbit]

[Edited on 10/7/2018 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 08:52 PM
Thx 'clone. Yeah, something just real weird about the whole show . Now with all the backlash. I just don't get why the martyr drama, he easily could have been gracious and sympathetic, and bowed out with "you are simply mistaken, madam."
 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 09:10 PM
Grace, empathy, and manners dont come easily to them.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 09:11 PM
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Thx 'clone. he easily could have been gracious and sympathetic, and bowed out with "you are simply mistaken, madam."


Absolutely. Based on everything that was known at the time, his reaction seemed foolish. He & his private legal advisers knew he wasn't being accused of a crime - he was being interviewed for a job. A 1st year law student would know that the statute of limitations would've run on any assault allegations decades ago. All he had to do was keep his cool.

Maybe he feared DJT would withdraw his nomination so he did a DJT imitation of pointing fingers, crying partisanship, and generally appearing unhinged. He may have gotten the position, but he's going to have a lifetime of being asked to recuse himself based on his blatant partiality.


 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 10:11 PM
As he well should. He screamed his views loud and clear.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2018 at 10:40 PM
Yeah - well appreciate the clarification and insight. I think you guys are barking up the right tree. There was and is a scripted theatrical aspect to this - on both sides of course. Looks like someone was yanking pretty hard on BK's nose ring. Like, jump boy, show em who's yer daddy. Now it's all this bs about some crank calls, whether agent provocateur or not, to create a fog of war around the midterms. Feels like the election system is getting pretty stressed.
 

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  posted on 10/7/2018 at 04:37 PM
Why did the FBI interview Ms. Rodriguez who said that Kavanaugh pulled out and put his penis in her face with 4-5 witnesses being present, not interview those 4-5 people who she says saw him DO THAT?

DRAIN THE SWAMP!

 

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