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  posted on 8/8/2018 at 03:45 PM
since people are already going there on another thread....others may have experienced it at one time.

religous,Political... I know I experienced it mildly at Peachfest of all places-the year Peach started to change. Santana was onstage & brought his son up mid-show who started onto his hip-hop but that wasn't enough, then Carlos started preaching his sermon to the crowd. The place half emptied within 20 minutes and we promptly moved upfront from the cheapseats to 2nd row centre.Didn't bother us much but obviously for some it did,

I can only imagine being at a Roger Waters show or a Ted Nugent concert (or somebody like these),paying big $$, and being on the opposite side of them politically,& having to listen to their political views for 20 minutes. $200 or $1000 is a lot to pay to get preached to!

Years ago I remember people doing it a lot-Mahavishnu,Country Joe,Krishna but seems to me maybe its a lot more lately. Seemed pretty mild back then.

maybe some wouldn't care,but I'd appreciate knowing ahead of time if a performers show was a lot of talk about something else rather than the music & decide if paying the big $ for his shows' worth it.

(was at a Music festival just last week and the band brought up Bernie Sanders to speak for awhile to the audience-at least they got the actual politician to speak rather than them. We thought it was kinda funny.)




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  posted on 8/8/2018 at 04:03 PM
Never heard a pontification at a show. Ever. Been to tons of shows too. Most pontification I ever heard from the Dead was Weir saying "Ok now everybody take one step back". If it is so common, I must have an instinct for avoiding musicians who abuse their stage privilege.

 

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  posted on 8/8/2018 at 06:17 PM
I've seen Roger Waters six times and don't recall any preaching or lectures ever just great music , seen Santana 10 times and never saw him preach , has done a two minutes talking about how we should be good to one another and respect one another not a bad thing IMHO ,
Did meet Ted Nugent at the opening of a gun range in Edmonton, after he started carving Canada because Canadians don't walk the streets packing guns the wife and I left , he did sign my Tooth Fang Claw album lol .

 

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  posted on 8/8/2018 at 06:46 PM
Ha,I imagine Nugent talks about that sorta stuff at his shows. Surprised about Waters-didn't see his recent tour but read somewhere that he had a lot of political stuff going on at his show with some video or something,maybe mixed him up with another artist.
 

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  posted on 8/8/2018 at 07:44 PM
Ted is mentioned in the opening post. He has only gotten worse with it over the years.

 

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  posted on 8/8/2018 at 08:29 PM
Last year at the Electric Hot Tuna show at the Fillmore Jorma said, "Make the guitar great again". Didn't bother me because as a guitarist myself I agreed with him. Can't say how it went over with the keys, horns, and percussion players in the house tho, could have come off as kind of discriminatory seems like. Particularly for drummers. Drummers Lives Matter.

 

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  posted on 8/8/2018 at 08:50 PM
Jazz player Christian Scott this summer went on for about twenty minutes total, intro'ing his band, then giving his NOLA family history when he might better have just let his band play (he's not that original himself!).
 

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  posted on 8/8/2018 at 11:12 PM
Years back Steve Earle was one of the worst for this. Ultra-liberal and a big promoter of Unions. Last time I saw him though which must have been six years ago, he seemed to have shed that stuff and at least that night he just played.............and I mean he was GREAT. I've seen him several times and he's always been good but the first time I was really wishing he'd "shut up and play his guitar." Plenty of folks around me felt the same way.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2018 at 05:56 AM
Bo Diddley spent most of a show preaching about how the white man stole the chicken out of his pot. Maybe played 4 or 5 songs. Even his pickup backing band seemed annoyed. I saw Bo a few times, that was the only time anything like that happened. Assume something really pissed him off that day.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2018 at 06:39 AM
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Years back Steve Earle was one of the worst for this. Ultra-liberal and a big promoter of Unions. Last time I saw him though which must have been six years ago, he seemed to have shed that stuff and at least that night he just played.............and I mean he was GREAT. I've seen him several times and he's always been good but the first time I was really wishing he'd "shut up and play his guitar." Plenty of folks around me felt the same way.


Saw him a few months ago in Milwaukee. NOTHING has changed. I love his music but I use his diatribes as a reason to go to the bathroom and get a beer.

Going to see him in a few weeks in Chicago. Part of the LSD tour; Lucinda Williams, Steve and Dwight Yoakam. Hopefully he won't have time to rant.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2018 at 08:46 AM
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  posted on 8/9/2018 at 11:39 AM
First thing that came to my mind is Santana on that 2008 tour with TTB. Carlos went on a ramble about needing a change and openly advocating for either the Dems or maybe it was Obama, or just anti-Bush. There was visible negative reaction and mutterances in the crowd. Probably didn't go over too well in this ruby red state of Georgia. I wasn't offended by the politics of it, but I just didn't want to hear anything about the election. It was the middle of primary season with 24/7 coverage in the news, so it was good to get away from it all and enjoy a night of music.

That being said, our beloved ABB got involved in politics once upon a time too. Not just the quote aiq posted, but also the '76 election and Jimmy Carter. There's that widely circulated show with Geraldo Rivera introducing him to introduce the band. Perhaps a different time though.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2018 at 01:50 PM
2004 Yes at MSG. Band hitting on all cylinders, just completed a stellar performance of "And You and I" which brought a roaring standing ovation. Then shortly after before the end of the show Jon brings out his "spiritual advisor" or whatever he called her who rambled on for way too long and goaded the crowd into a reluctant "oommmmmm". Talk about crash landing a show from the highest heights. Thankfully a killer Starship Trooper closes the show and all is forgiven.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2018 at 09:01 PM
Anything political longer than 10 seconds. I hate all politicians and both parties with a passion and don't need a lecture. They have a right to say whatever they want and I have a right to not buy a concert ticket and their CD's.


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  posted on 8/10/2018 at 01:24 PM
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Bo Diddley spent most of a show preaching about how the white man stole the chicken out of his pot. Maybe played 4 or 5 songs. Even his pickup backing band seemed annoyed. I saw Bo a few times, that was the only time anything like that happened. Assume something really pissed him off that day.


Life highlight: Sandia Mountains..... 1975 Bo played a small bar in the mountains NE of Albuquerque, middle of nowhere (then). I think he lived up there somewhere. We were townies up having fun and just ran into this small gig of less than a hundred people. He just had fun and was relaxed. So seeing him in a wild west atmosphere was large fun.

 

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  posted on 8/10/2018 at 01:55 PM
Well he was a gunslinger after all

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The crowd was 100% white folks who paid good money to put a chicken in his pot.

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  posted on 8/11/2018 at 08:36 AM
Back in the late 80's and early 90's the metal bands all seemed to do it at every show I attended. Guns n' Roses and Skid Row jump to mind immediately. Axl was always mad about something. Chris Robinson also would 'vent' back in the early days.

Most bands (outside of Bro Coutry) lean left. I lean libertarian/right. You can't assume everyone who shares your taste in entertainment also shares your political/religious views. Financially, it would be wise for an artist to not preach during a performance either way.

[Edited on 8/11/2018 by Buckeye]

 

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  posted on 8/11/2018 at 10:01 AM
"beloved ABB got involved in politics once upon a time too. Not just the quote aiq posted, but also the '76 election and Jimmy Carter"

Penn State at the Obama rally.



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Back in the late 80's and early 90's the metal bands all seemed to do it at every show I attended. Guns n' Roses and Skid Row jump to mind immediately. Axl was always mad about something. Chris Robinson also would 'vent' back in the early days.

Most bands (outside of Bro Coutry) lean left. I lean libertarian/right. You can't assume everyone who shares your taste in entertainment also shares your political/religious views. Financially, it would be wise for an artist to not preach during a performance either way.




Highly questionable that such rants have an adverse effect on ticket sales.

 

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Back in the late 80's and early 90's the metal bands all seemed to do it at every show I attended. Guns n' Roses and Skid Row jump to mind immediately. Axl was always mad about something. Chris Robinson also would 'vent' back in the early days.

Most bands (outside of Bro Coutry) lean left. I lean libertarian/right. You can't assume everyone who shares your taste in entertainment also shares your political/religious views. Financially, it would be wise for an artist to not preach during a performance either way.




Highly questionable that such rants have an adverse effect on ticket sales.


If you are referring to my second paragraph, I'd respond, ask the NFL or Dixie Chicks about the adverse effects of insulting at least half the population.

 
 


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