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  posted on 7/9/2018 at 05:58 PM
some of the finest tone from Carlos i've heard in 20 years.

can it be the beaten up strat?

anyone know anything about that guitar?

Is it Eric's?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUGgRSXXzBA

 
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  posted on 7/9/2018 at 07:31 PM
Looks like something John Mayer would own. the strat definitely forced Carlos to play differently then he is used to, which can be a great thing.
 

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  posted on 7/10/2018 at 03:49 PM
That Strat is Carlos' Strat, not EC's. He purchased it at Chicago Music Exchange sometime in the past 2 years. I don't remember exactly the specs on whether it was vintage or Custom Shop. I'll try to find it.

 

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  posted on 7/10/2018 at 06:19 PM
That strat looks totally silly, so beat with a new pickguard. You would have to wear sharp metal long sleeve shirts to wear one like that. And the wear isn't even cool mojo. Give it to a thrasher Carlos!

 

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  posted on 7/10/2018 at 06:30 PM
Ridiculous lookin' relic strat sounds good!

Rory G had the first and best.

 

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  posted on 7/10/2018 at 09:38 PM
I use to feel a Les Paul was THE guitar for rock and blues. And an SG and ES-335 were close second and thirds. I wasn't that impressed with Clapton's tone with Brownie when he switched from an SG post Cream. And a Strat was for playing like Hendrix and the whammy bar. That began to change when I saw Stevie Ray Vaughn live.

Now to me, for most songs a darn good sounding Strat is the guitar that has the mojo which beats them all. But it's got to be a good one. Some Strats just don't have it. And it seems the old worn and beat up Strats usually have that big mojo I don't hear with other guitars.

And Carlos had a nice looking Yamaha first time I saw him and the last time he was playing the prettiest Paul Reed Smith I've seen with killer tone. So this is like seeing Carlos in an old beat up car but it runs like hell.

 

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  posted on 7/11/2018 at 07:45 AM
I found it.....was February 2015. I only remember it because I played that same guitar in the shop about a week before I saw them post that Carlos bought it. It wasn't the prettiest Strat in the shop, but it was probably the best at the time. It was a Fender Custom Shop "Master Built" Strat.....so, it was likely either a Wilson or Cruz build.

 

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  posted on 7/11/2018 at 02:48 PM
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I found it.....was February 2015. I only remember it because I played that same guitar in the shop about a week before I saw them post that Carlos bought it. It wasn't the prettiest Strat in the shop, but it was probably the best at the time. It was a Fender Custom Shop "Master Built" Strat.....so, it was likely either a Wilson or Cruz build.


Cool...thanks

 

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  posted on 7/11/2018 at 02:55 PM
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I found it.....was February 2015. I only remember it because I played that same guitar in the shop about a week before I saw them post that Carlos bought it. It wasn't the prettiest Strat in the shop, but it was probably the best at the time. It was a Fender Custom Shop "Master Built" Strat.....so, it was likely either a Wilson or Cruz build.


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  posted on 7/12/2018 at 11:11 AM
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Now to me, for most songs a darn good sounding Strat is the guitar that has the mojo which beats them all. But it's got to be a good one. Some Strats just don't have it. And it seems the old worn and beat up Strats usually have that big mojo I don't hear with other guitars.


Well, it's all subjective, but Strats are probably my least favorite major make of guitar. Everyone, except for maybe Dickey Betts and Jack Pearson (I know, I know, he plays Squires and off-brand Fenders), sound the same on a Strat - that same thin, stringing single coil tone. It's why I've never been a very big Clapton or SRV fan. Even Teles are a little more dynamic, Cornell Dupree could tear it up on one. But, I've always been a Gibson fan, I've always been more drawn to that warmer sound. There's a reason the 3 Kings all played big bold-sounding Gibsons, they could make them sing.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2018 at 03:49 PM
Hi pork chop Bob. I agree a lot of Strat's have a thin single coil tone. But the really good Strat's have heavy, gritty tones and the really good players get amazing sounds out of them. Most of those guitars have been modified. Squares generally not that good. But Jack Pearson likes looking for them and some he said sound as good as Fenders more expensive line. Squire is used because they don't want the Fender name on their cheap line. Jeff Beck's Strats are souped up. Warren Haynes had a great sounding Strat with red headstock that he used almost as much as a Les Paul but it was stolen in the early 90s. It also sounded fantastic with a slide. Check out Blue Sky Germany 1991 on You Tube. Of course Dickey's tone with his old 57 Les Paul is real fine.

Joe Bonamassa uses Les Paul's a lot. He was just in my area and indeed he played a Les Paul on 60% of the songs. But on those gritty, smoky blues tunes he had his old 1956 Strat. And he kicked butt with a Tele on one song.

Joe said he borrowed much for his playbook from the late Gary Moore. And Gary favored Les Pauls. But check out Texas Strut on YouTube by Moore and see if you agree he couldn't have gotten that kind of tone and sounds from a Les Paul. And Moore uses his old 61 red Strat on Red house on YouTube. I remember when Jeff Beck played a black Les Paul. It could be he is mostly Strat now because he has incorporated so much whammy bar into his playing. I have a Beck DVD and Les Paul the man comes out and when Jeff starts to play his solo, Les unplugs Jeff's guitar and tells him to get a real guitar.

But as I said, I didn't really appreciate what a good sounding Strat could do until I heard SRV live. No way a Paul could have done what I heard that night.

Jimmy Herring said he likes a Strat best except he digs the humbuckers in a Paul. Last time I saw him he mostly played a Strat but it was modified with big silver humbuckers.

But I do and always will love the thick tone Duane and Dickey got with their Les Pauls. Jimmy Herring said the tone Dickey gets on his live solo on One Way Out on Eat A Peach was the best tone he had ever heard. After that was widely reported in the early 2000s in jam band publications, someone asked Dickey about it and to my surprise he was quoted as saying he couldn't remember what he did on that song on Eat A Peach.

I think if I were a hotshot guitar player playing before big crowds, I would play both like Bonamassa and the late Gary Moore. Apparently Carlos Santana has discovered the way a good Strat just stomps on certain songs.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2018 at 04:21 PM
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Hi pork chop Bob. I agree a lot of Strat's have a thin single coil tone. But the really good Strat's have heavy, gritty tones and the really good players get amazing sounds out of them.

Hi blackey - love to chat guitars with ya. Yeah I just don't like the Strat tone. I just don't think they are very dynamic. Granted, the player is a bigger factor, but Strats just don't do much more me. Just personal taste.

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Warren Haynes had a great sounding Strat with red headstock that he used almost as much as a Les Paul but it was stolen in the early 90s. It also sounded fantastic with a slide. Check out Blue Sky Germany 1991 on You Tube.

Warren played it on the Great Woods video as well and I never liked it. I much preferred Warren's Les Paul on the "Blue Sky" on An Evening With. Warren's Les Paul tone has changed over the years with Mule, it's gotten more compressed as he's gone heavier than the Allmans.

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Joe Bonamassa uses Les Paul's a lot.

I don't like Bonamassa on any guitar. I know he has his fans, but he's a little generic to my ears. Nothing new. There is a certain over-compressed, dirty, walkie talkie tone some players insist on dialing in on a Les Paul which always seems like a waste to me.

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Joe said he borrowed much for his playbook from the late Gary Moore.

Not a fan, so that makes sense about Bonamassa.

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Jimmy Herring said he likes a Strat best except he digs the humbuckers in a Paul. Last time I saw him he mostly played a Strat but it was modified with big silver humbuckers.

Jimmy mostly plays Paul Reed Smiths, which have humbuckers, but also have a single-coil sound. Although Jimmy absolutely has played Strats, you might be confused because Jimmy lately plays PRS that has a Strat-like body, but the headstock is PRS.



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  posted on 7/13/2018 at 05:46 PM
Pork chop. Yes I see Jimmy playing a Strat like body with a PRS neck. But that is not the guitar I saw Jimmy playing. Right now I only have a smart phone working and I don't know how to link a video or picture to this site with this phone.

If you would, go to YouTube and type in "Jimmy Herring within you without you (G. Harrison)" and you'll see the guitar I saw Jimmy playing a Strat with Humbuckers. And I discovered he has another Strat with Humbuckers. Type in " Since I Been Loving You instrumental guitar led Zepplin cover by Jimmy." I can't see what is on the headstock here but by shape it has to be a Strat. The Superstrat by Charvel has a headstock like a Fender but the guitarist I recently saw with one told me the reason Charvel doesn't get sued is because Charvel is owned by Fender.

Also Bonamassa sold most of the seats at the civic center in my town in May and it wasn't cheap. I thought the tickets were too high. But he must be a millionaire now and he is popular in Europe. He is somewhat a shredder but I like him on the blues.

Also on YouTube is "Gary Moore The Messiah Will Come Again snefyllan" I submit to you what Moore does on this instrumental is not only above Joe Bonamassa's pay grade, but after you view this I'm sure you would agree nobody that played in the Allman Brothers or the 3 Kings or Clapton or Hendrix could touch what Gary does. You may not like Gary but you will agree after viewing that technically Gary Moore was a monster! I'm not sure any other player could have played what Moore played on that video but no question the my favorite band the ABB never had a player that could do what Moore does on this video.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2018 at 06:05 PM
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Also on YouTube is "Gary Moore The Messiah Will Come Again snefyllan" I submit to you what Moore does on this instrumental is not only above Joe Bonamassa's pay grade, but after you view this I'm sure you would agree nobody that played in the Allman Brothers or the 3 Kings or Clapton or Hendrix could touch what Gary does. You may not like Gary but you will agree after viewing that technically Gary Moore was a monster! I'm not sure any other player could have played what Moore played on that video but no question the my favorite band the ABB never had a player that could do what Moore does on this video.


Yeah, I've heard that before. I just don't like shredders. Not my bag, just personal taste. I'll take one Albert King note over a zillion Gary Moore notes. Less is more.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2018 at 10:38 PM
As a guitar player I play a 1973 Les Paul. But I have said that if you had to have only one guitar it might have to be a Strat. I want to add this, with the modern electronics the guitar it self is not as important as it once was. If the guitar plays well you can get about any tone with modern electronics. Now 40 years ago the guitar itself was very important for tone ans sustain. I don't know many people if any who do not like Rory Galligar's or Buddy Guy's tone, all Strat players.
 

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  posted on 7/14/2018 at 07:34 AM
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I don't know many people if any who do not like Rory Galligar's or Buddy Guy's tone, all Strat players.


I'm one. I like Buddy Guy, he's freaking Buddy Guy but his Strat tone is too thin for my taste.

 

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There is a Strat player I've been digging lately, the guitarist from Khruangbin. They're a trio out of Austin, mostly instrumentals. Bass player is super smooth, and drummer is total "in the pocket". The guitarist carries it beautifully with a really smooth, full, warm Strat tone.

https://khruangbin.bandcamp.com/

 

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I saw Albert King live and he played a Flying V . Got to shake his hand and he was real friendly. Just watched a video of Gary Moore playing a Les Paul and Albert on a Flying V. Moore did employ a lot of heavy metal type fast runs and that peel off harmonics, that thing some guitarist do with their pick on the string to make a squeal sound which made Albert jump back with a look on his face that a wild cat was after him. Albert just played his usual blues mojo and it did seem Gary Moore over played for that particular setting. Some of the comments criticized Moore for that. I found an interview on YouTube with Moore and he expressed his love and respect for Albert, BB and Albert Collins and Gary said they all tell him he plays too frantic when playing the blues and he said he was working on that.

In the 1980s a saw a band called Night Ranger. One guitar player had a Les Paul Gold Top and the other a Strat which was red with a black headstock. It was Fender as I remember seeing the name on the headstock. They were going for a Van Halen/Journey look and vibe. Both guitarist were shreaders, fast but real clean. But I was struck with how their tones were exactly alike and it wasn't typical of either makes standard tone. Both the L.P. and Strat had black pickups. And the LP didn't have those nice silver pickup covers. I enjoyed the show but it isn't the kind of band I could see night after night like the Allman Brothers.

But Pork chop or anyone. Didn't Gregg Allman sing on a track for one of their albums in the 1990s. I seem to remember fans talking about it at shows in the 90s.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2018 at 09:49 AM
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But Pork chop or anyone. Didn't Gregg Allman sing on a track for one of their albums in the 1990s. I seem to remember fans talking about it at shows in the 90s.


Gregg sang on Night Ranger guitarist's Brad Gillis' "If Looks Could Kill": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2UL_b5J7GM

Gregg also did a lot of random guest spots on soundtracks around the early 1990s - "I'll be Holding On" from Black Rain, "Don't Stand in my Way" from Out For Justice. Always wondered if those arose from his acting days around that time.

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  posted on 7/14/2018 at 11:19 AM
Thanks Porkchopbob. I enjoyed the clip. It was Gregg alright. The best.blues singer ever to me. But there are many great ones. I found the album on Wikipedia and Gregg co wrote one with Brad. I understand much of Gregg's co writing usually was him getting a song that was basicly finished but Gregg would make changes to some of the words and music too that streamlined the song and made the lyrics flow better and less wordy. Allen Woody talked about how Gregg turned two songs he had into much better songs. End of the Line and What's Done Is Done. Allen said he and another writer had End of the Line basicly finished then he let Warren have it and he made it better but when Gregg got it he cut it down and tweaked the words and music and it was even better. I remember in the old days hearing about some music Berry Oakley developed and he turned that over to Gregg who added words and a slick arrangement and it became Standback. Those are some examples of Gregg putting the trimmings on songs rather than the Brothers making radical changes to songs Gregg wrote such as Whipping Post, Midnight Rider and Dreams and other than the words, everything got changed by the Brothers. Gregg has indicated that bothered him some and one his solo albums he did some of those songs closer to how he wrote them. But it was interesting that Gregg worked with a heavy rock guitarist. Brad Gillis is very good on that style but it's not really Gregg's bag.

Also I remember going to see Gregg act in a movie in the early 90's but right now I can't recall the name of it.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2018 at 11:21 AM
Oh I didn't mention the Wiki page on Gilrock Ranch lists Gregg Allman on vocals on two tracks.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2018 at 11:36 AM
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Also I remember going to see Gregg act in a movie in the early 90's but right now I can't recall the name of it.


Rush, with a soundtrack by Eric Clapton.

Music is definitely a collaboration, fresh eyes can focus an idea or a concept. I always appreciate that The Doors all got credit for their music.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2018 at 04:48 PM
Yes Pork chop I remember now. Rush. And I bought the soundtrack too thinking Gregg was on it but it was Clapton. It must still be in a stack of DVDs I have in the garage. Need to get it out as you really jogged my memory. I now remember Buddy Guy is on it too at Clapton's invitation. Riding with the King is another CD I need to dig out. BB was so pleased Clapton said he wanted to do an album with BB on the Larry King show. And that album sold over 2 million copies. B B made some bucks off of that.

Yes in the Allman Brothers, Duane Allman's policy was the one who came up with the song owned it. So the contributions made by Berry Oakley and Butch Trucks went uncredited. Same with Chuck on Jessica. So when A Decade of Hits came out in 1991 and sold over 2 million copies and Gregg and Dickey made several million and Butch got nothing for his contribution to how Whipping Post, Liz Reed etc ended up sounding, he began to get pissed according to his posts and it apparently got a lot of friction started in the 90s in the band. Especially between Butch and Dickey. Butch pointed out on this site back then that Berry Oakley came up with the intro on Whipping Post and Butch came up with a new time signature which completely altered the song from the slow ballad Gregg wrote. The Doors way I'm sure avoided those situations. I ask Butch personally why that happened and he said it was Duane's rule and at the time he didn't challenge it

 

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