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  posted on 6/13/2018 at 10:38 AM

Yesterday was the anniversary of Derek Trucks' first show as a member of the Allman Brothers Band - 6/12/99 at Red Rocks. To mark the day I dug out what I believe was his first interview as a member. He was asking as many questions as me.
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  posted on 6/13/2018 at 12:44 PM
Good interview. First show I saw after Derek joined was in Las Vegas and he sounded like a long time member. Dickey played a vintage 50's Strat with lots of road wear and Derek played an SG so the no Les Paul on the stage trend continued that began with Jack joining.

Dickey and the entire band sounded hot that night and not long afterwards I read a post from Butch saying he and the band were surprised when Jack suddenly quit and Dickey called him to ask if he thought Derek was ready and Butch said he didn't know as he had only heard Derek Olay slide which is top notch slide but he didn't know how he would be on lead. Butch said Derek had that down too and Derek actually reminds Dickey and Gregg of Duane and Derek has so inspired Dickey that he is playing the best right now in years. Well that didn't last long.

Many fans on this site including myself were disappointed with Warren and Allen's departure. Some of us including myself had heard the rumor that is was more than wanting to do Govt Mule full time, that Dickey had pulled a knife on Allen. I didn't believe it then was stand corrected by Mr. Paul's recent fine book. But in 1997 I saw 5 shows and with Jack and Otiel I was relieved that at every show, the band was really hot. Jack's slide playing actually sounded more like Duane to me so I was shocked and disappointed as were many here to learn that Jack had suddenly quit. Why? It's crazy.

But the band dodged another bullet when Derek joined as he was perfect for the band.

After Dickey was ousted, to me, the band was still good. Maybe too tight. I missed that looseness and ying and yang they had with Dickey but I go back to 1970. With new fans the last lineup was the ABB and with all the front line players but Gregg now gone it was hard to get use to. But no denying the last line up was tight and on its game. I think I would have liked it better if they didn't play any Dickey songs which is exactly what Butch said he wanted but it never happened. In one of Butch's last interviews he said the last lineup technically was the best but the jumping off into the unknown stopped and actually had mostly stopped after Duane died. He said he knew exactly what Warren and Derek were going to do and it was time for that band to break up. I thought that was odd because apparently Derek, Warren and even Gregg had wanted to quit at the 40th and it was Butch pushing to keep going.

 

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  posted on 6/13/2018 at 01:16 PM
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In one of Butch's last interviews he said the last lineup technically was the best but the jumping off into the unknown stopped and actually had mostly stopped after Duane died. He said he knew exactly what Warren and Derek were going to do and it was time for that band to break up. I thought that was odd because apparently Derek, Warren and even Gregg had wanted to quit at the 40th and it was Butch pushing to keep going.


I don't understand the comment that jumping off into the "unknown" had stopped after Duane died. Upon the death of Duane, the band was just starting to spread out their musical approach from the very standard setlists they had played since inception (See Blue Sky from Stonybrook 1971). The Eat A Peach album was the start of a new era, without a doubt with the new tunes the band was putting out. When Chuck joined the band, they went off in a totally new direction, in part because of the new instrumentation makeup of the band, but they turned really jazzy to my ears during the Chuck era. Dickey was a driving force with his new material and when they ultimately reformed in 1989 both Dickey and Warren, with some from Gregg went off in another direction. Anyway, just an observation that I guess I don't see that thought the same way.

 

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  posted on 6/13/2018 at 01:50 PM
Thanks for the read, I'd love to hear the tapes of Jackie P that Derek listened too...

 

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  posted on 6/13/2018 at 04:03 PM
At one point way back after The Fax, there was an article online (since removed)
that said DB had slugged BT and knocked him off his drum stool.

I always wondered if he had - event seems to fit what we know of both personalities ;-)


How do you know it was Butch that sunk the idea of the band quitting after the 40th?


 

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  posted on 6/13/2018 at 05:26 PM
Thought Id read most old Brothers interviews but ran onto another one with Dickey after the fax. He said something about the rest of the band not wanting to use his compositions and he didnt feel like he was being utilized (Im paraphrasing). I read in another that Butch didnt really want to record new music. I guess that makes sense now, knowing his situation, since it was expensive to record and he just wanted the money from endless touring. Wasnt he the one who wanted their Beacon runs to be much longer?

Derek is a GREAT guitarist/slide player, but that Indian inflected style is just too noisy/busy to my ears for Allman Bros. He and Warren changed the sound completely and not for the better, for me at least. Warren & Dickey were the **** together. Warren had a tendency to wank on a bit at times, but overall he was a pretty good fit at that time. Remember Greggs comment to Warren walking past him on the bus after a particularly long, nasty solo? Ok, whos the Phish fan? Then he came back thru and told him it was just too much.

 

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  posted on 6/13/2018 at 08:33 PM
Jonesy Butch's last interviews are on YouTube. To make it more confusing, in interviews with Derek and Warren they made it clear they hung on after the 40th because of Butch. And they indicated the band met and agreed the 45th anniversary would absolutely be the end but one member was getting cold feet about ended the band so Derek and Warren jointly notified the band they were leaving after the 45th. Then they revealed it was Butch. The band ended because Gregg opted out too saying he was interested in finding new guitar players.

As to Butch's comment about jumping off into the deep end, Butch talks about that in his 2016 interviews and talked about how he is stressing to The Freight Train Band let's do it Duane Allman's way and don't be afraid when it's your turn to solo, jump off into the deep end and take me somewhere new. That the original Allman Brothers on many songs including Mountain Jam, Whipping Post, Liz Reed, we didn't know where it would go one night to the next. Yes sometimes it was a train wreck but most of the time we played stuff we had never played before. And that after Duane died that pretty much stopped and Dickey took over and we became too country. He went on to add during the Derek/Warren band it stopped completely. Butch said he knew exactly what Warren and Derek we're going to play. That they were to afraid of mistakes and train wrecks and after a few years it gets boring. Now to me part of that was the failure of the band to record a new album in the years after Hitting the Note. And it could be Butch was one who couldn't see the point of doing a new album in an era that it's so hard for a band like the ABB to get airplay and decent sales. I use to hear Hitting the Note sold 200,000 copies which is decent but I've read since it was 36,000 which is slim for the ABB.

So it is true the original band played much the same set every night but how those songs were played was a daring experiement every night. I think Dickey said the Whipping Post on the Filmore album was the first time they played some of the stuff they played that night and they never played it again.

 

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  posted on 6/13/2018 at 09:01 PM
Fun to read that interview now. I can't believe almost 20 years have passed since the newest of new guys - Derek Trucks - joined the band.

Alan, I remember reading your piece about Derek getting the mushroom tattoo during the last run of shows in 2014 - it's funny to see you ask him the question in this first interview in '99 and him be like "maybe at the end of the year". Took a little longer than that.

 

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  posted on 6/13/2018 at 09:45 PM
Thanks for the read, it was interesting reading his thought process of how he was going to approach the music. I thought he always played well with whoever he was on stage with. I love how the original lineup liked to spread out but I thought Derek and Warren did a great job of pushing the music forward as well. Maybe not as "out there" as the original lineup but I still enjoy it.
 

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  posted on 6/14/2018 at 08:19 AM
The comment that Southernfan mentions Gregg made to Warren about being a Phish fan was actually said to Derek and Jimmy after a show where they took Mt Jam into outer space. Still makes me laugh to think of Gregg saying that.
 

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  posted on 6/14/2018 at 08:59 AM
Steve is correct... the story comes from One Way Out... and when I spoke to Jimmy he said, "Wow, Derek told you that!?" He had told me the same story without the Phish part... about Gregg being upset and coming back up front...

 

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  posted on 6/14/2018 at 09:26 AM
Alan,

Thanks for posting the interview. Cool early thoughts from a guy that has become a force of nature on the guitar. Wonder if anyone had an inkling on what he would become.

 

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  posted on 6/14/2018 at 10:08 AM
Thx Al, always enjoy your stuff. Haha, loved "Music is sort of all I do." classic line.

 

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  posted on 6/14/2018 at 12:52 PM
It's not rocket science to look at Dickey's net worth, around 40 million, and Butch's net worth, about -1.5 million, to understand why Butch never wanted to end the band. It seems like he spent years and years trying to form businesses to try to break even. During the Fax era, Dickey didn't want to blend Allman Brothers business with Butch Trucks business, referring to Flying Frog Records.

I can't blame Butch at all for trying to survive. It's gotta eat on you over the decades when you are broke and your bandmates, Gregg and Dickey, are millionaires, and you were there paying the same dues they were. I wish the Allmans were like The Doors and credited the songs to everybody, but that didn't happen. The irony is that I have read that it was Duane who said the songwriter gets the credit, and Butch was such a Duane disciple.

Derek probably realized that you had to lead a band to make a real living at it, but was pressured by Butch to stay for 5 years longer than his heart was in it. That TTB album cover comes to mind for Made up Mind, with that Buffalo charging head first into the Freight Train. I can't imagine how hard Butch's death is for Derek. Well, maybe I can. My uncle ended his life the same way back in 98.

 

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  posted on 6/14/2018 at 03:17 PM
Luke I've been an ABB fan since I first saw them in 1970 and made as many shows as possible but it was tough going a hundred miles or more then going to work the next day with no sleep or not going at all and risking my job but it was like a religion. In 1971 a few of us quit work for the summer and ended up broke and sick but smiling because we saw the Brothers 8 or 10 times in a month.

They were all happy and a band of brothers then at least to the fans. After Duane was killed, Butch seem to get along with Dickey and it was Gregg he would rag on in interviews once saying "You can't count on Gregg Allman for anything." When the band decided to back out of things in 1982 because of changing trends, Clive Davis shutting them out of the studio etc, Butch formed a band with Dickey called Betts, Hall, Levalle, Trucks

Yes Dickey is worth about 40 million, Gregg about 15 million but Gregg filed bankruptcy years ago and had to start over. I think Butch was worth about 4 million by the mid 90s. He had a couple of places to live that were high dollar. Jaimoe was flat broke by 1982 and really struggled. But he recovered during the 1990s and is worth a couple of million now I've heard. But don't quote me, that may be off.

Polydore released A Decade of Hits in 1991 featuring songs from the first album, Idlewild South, Fillmore, Eat A Peach, Brothers and Sisters and one from Elightened Rogues. That thing out sold their new material albums on Epic where just one, Where It All Begins, sold north of 500,000 and went gold. The album of old material sold over 2 million and went double platinum. Butch Truck's was a sepcial fan favorite back then because he often posted back then and even answered questions including minor things such as who is laughing on Black Hearted Woman and at the end of Pony Boy. BTW he said its Oakley laughing after the chant on Black Hearted Woman and that is him (Butch) laughing at the end of Pony Boy because he and Dickey added some knee slapping at the end and Dickey changed it up on him and he chuckled. Well Butch answered some questions about the best hits release and indicated the band had nothing to do with that and the tracks were owned by Capricorn and ended up with the old Mercury label when Phil Walden went bankrupt. He complained he didn't make anything off that but Dickey and Gregg made millions from song writing credits and he mentioned a couple of songs including Liz Reed he felt he should have received a credit. I think the other may have been Whipping Post and Oakley should have too. He mentioned writing a percussion part for Madness From Out Of The West but when the record came out only Dickey was credited and Dickey did it was .because that was the way Duane said it should be done. The one who wrote the original version or idea owns the song.

Soon afterward Butch began forming businesses I imagine for him to create a way to make money similar to Gregg and Dickey in addition to being played for playing in the band. Butch wanted the band to be involved in those businesses but Dickey wouldn't allow it. Dickey voted against it every time and pressured Gregg to do the same. Personally my guess that is when Butch began to dislike Dickey and with Dickey's increasing his drinking and drug use, it played into Butches hands. Gregg supposedly quit drinking and drugs in 1997 and Butch said suddenly Dickey didn't have anyone in the band living like he did and he got even worse and when Butch found out Gregg was going to quit from Gregg's then wife, Butch called Gregg and convinced Gregg he should stay and Dickey should be sacked. They called Jaimoe but he would only agree to a temporary split but it was still 3 to 1.

Butch apparently didn't keep up with his IRS obligations as a man in business for himself has to and was eventually hit with enormous back tax bills that were taking everything. And that led to his death. That is the way it looks to me from putting together all I read. It's sad. Butch was a good guy and the backbone, the freight train, of the band. It's sad what happened to Dickey and Warren said Dickey's sound and material is a huge part of the band. But it eased my concern for him after he ended up playing small crowds in often bars when I found out he is rich and set for life. But it still hurt him and he had nothing to do with anybody in the band and actually sued the band and got a big settlement in arbitration. Loosing Duane was a huge blow then Oakely. Sometime back Jaimoe told a reporter " this band is always breaking down."

 

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  posted on 6/14/2018 at 03:37 PM
Alan Paul should know the real scoop on these sad things. Alan I noticed an interview with Butch not long before he died and he said something like Gregg is so messed up. And the person doing the interview quickly injected I thought Gregg got sober in 1997. Well Butch didn't say anything and there was a long pause then Butch indicated Gregg abuses prescription meds. You may not recall that or you may not want to comment. It's probably best to not comment. I read every time I could find on the band starting in 1970 and before the internet one could go months and not see much. I remember eating breakfast at my mother's house and she had the Today show on and Frank Blair began the latest news and he said " A member of the famed Allman Brothers Band was killed in a motorcycle crash." I jumped up and ran to the TV shocked and wondering who. It was Duane the last one I would have guessed."

Well your book One Way Out gave so much clarity to some of the rumors hard core fans use to hear over the years. Dickey breaking Butch's nose and pulling a knife on Allen Woody were two I hoped were not true we heard in the 1990s. Thank you for the book. How in the hell did those things get out? Leaks I suppose.

 

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  posted on 6/14/2018 at 04:50 PM
Butch said lots of things. Here is what he said right here on this guest book after night 1 of 2013 Beacon stand. Not 2009 or 05 or 03 or 1994 but 2013.

And it was hardly the only time he said things like this.



"Damn. What an opening night. Might be one of our best sets ever. I am very sore today from playing with that much power. Gregg was as spot on as he's been in decades actually pushing us on some of the tunes he use to have trouble with. Life is great and the Beacon seems to be one major hot spot!"

As for the original post thanks for posting the old interview Alan.


 

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  posted on 6/14/2018 at 07:12 PM

[Edited on 6/15/2018 by DeadMallard]

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  posted on 6/14/2018 at 10:18 PM
Alan thanks for posting the interview with Derek. That was an exciting time to be a fan. It seemed like the magic was about to be rekindled again. Me & a buddy went to see Derek's band at a bar in Tallahassee right when the news came out that he would be joining the ABB. We told him we were going to catch them in Atlanta at the end of the tour. Derek laughed and said "I'll know the tunes by then". At the time I thought yeah right, but he probably was referring to the newer stuff like True Gravity.

Talking about Butch posting here, I rarely post but back in the day I asked Butch a question that I don't remember. But I do remember Butch taking the time to answer, and being an FSU alum, busting my chops for being a UF Gator. He said something to the effect of "Oh yeah, the swamp, you smell it long before you step in it ".




 

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  posted on 6/15/2018 at 05:55 AM
Here's the show y'all are referring to. 6/21/00. Almost 18 years to the day.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ujztCwRsepY

I caught the first one of the tour where they opened with MJ in Va Beach 6/16/00 and then two nights later on Father's Day in Charlotte 6/18. Both absolutely great shows that showed the Brothers were as strong as ever. I regret missing the Raleigh show a few months later. Never caught a live Loan Me A Dime in person with the Brothers. Same with Layla. Missed that one by a night in '03. Caught Raleigh the next night with Branford which is on the new release out today Cream of the Crop.

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Butch said lots of things. Here is what he said right here on this guest book after night 1 of 2013 Beacon stand. Not 2009 or 05 or 03 or 1994 but 2013.

And it was hardly the only time he said things like this.



"Damn. What an opening night. Might be one of our best sets ever. I am very sore today from playing with that much power. Gregg was as spot on as he's been in decades actually pushing us on some of the tunes he use to have trouble with. Life is great and the Beacon seems to be one major hot spot!"

As for the original post thanks for posting the old interview Alan.




I remember that quote from Butch in 2013 and have to say there's nothing in there to argue about. I will be in the minority here but 2013 Beacon the band was playing on par or better than its 09 level and unmatched until the last run in Oct '14

 

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  posted on 6/15/2018 at 12:41 PM
The last line up was the hottest in the wake of the release of Hitting the Note. They had new material and sometimes did shows with no Dickey songs which is what Butch wanted. More than once Butch said he wanted the current lineup not to play any of Dickey's songs.

Also most often including interviews done not long before his death, Butch said the best show the Allman Brothers ever played was the next to the last time they played the Fillmore East. Next to the closing night show. He also said they had more or less become the house band there and Bill Graham began to tell the audience the band was the best band in America. Butch said before the next to the last show Bill Graham said "here is the best of them all...The Allman Brothers."

To me the best versions of One Way Out, Trouble No More, Liz Reed, Hot Lanta, Statesboro Blues, Done Somebody Wrong etc were recorded at the Fillmore and appear on Fillmore East and Eat A Peach. If any of the later lineups equaled or topped those please direct me to the recordings. Anybody? I have One Way Out recorded at the Beacon and the band's last new front line release and it's the last lineup and as good as it is it doesnt match or top the 1971 band.

I'm running into people now who think the last line up was the best line up. I can't understand how anyone can say that. Maybe if you were born after 1971 and new saw the original band.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2018 at 01:07 PM
Thanks - for posting, great interview.

thought I'd share this quote here- one of the guys I work with has a son who is just trying to breaking into music journalism. He recently interviewed Tom Hamilton (JRAD)

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JL: Who are some of your favorite contemporaries on the scene right now?

TH: Yknow, Derek. Derek Trucks I think is probably the best guitar player alive. Its just, I dont even understand it, what he does. Yeah man, hes probably the dude that any time I have an opportunity to watch him play, Ill watch



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  posted on 6/15/2018 at 01:13 PM
I suppose we could argue until the sun goes down which lineup was the best, but I can unequivocally say the last lineup was my favorite!

Amazing talent highlighted by the man named in this thread that gelled over 13 years together playing the widest variety of setlists at the highest level possible.

 

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One of my most favorite shows I saw in 2007 was the dTb with American Babies(Tom Hamilton's band at the time) opening. The American Babies were really great and that was my first exposure to them. And I've enjoyed TH in Billy and the Kids a couple times and also JRAD. He speaks the truth. Derek is the one single musician who I've seen live more than any other musician. Funny thing is as GREAT as DT is and has been I don't even think he was the best overall guitarist to pass through the ABB . . . Jack Pearson, IMHO, takes that one. Just amazing how lucky we all are to have so many top notch musicians to listen to in and around this musical family.

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Thanks - for posting, great interview.

thought I'd share this quote here- one of the guys I work with has a son who is just trying to breaking into music journalism. He recently interviewed Tom Hamilton (JRAD)

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JL: Who are some of your favorite contemporaries on the scene right now?

TH: Yknow, Derek. Derek Trucks I think is probably the best guitar player alive. Its just, I dont even understand it, what he does. Yeah man, hes probably the dude that any time I have an opportunity to watch him play, Ill watch



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