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Author: Subject: The Original "You Don't Love Me" & A Nice Allman-esque Cover By Gary Moore

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  posted on 6/10/2018 at 08:03 PM
The original by Willie Cobbs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsJMfYDUNCE

Gary Moore's cover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j26uiowrD2E

 

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  posted on 6/10/2018 at 08:09 PM
Sweet

Both

 

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  posted on 6/12/2018 at 07:47 AM
Thanks. had not listened to Willie Cobb version in a long time. I find the Moore unlistenable. No groove or swing.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2018 at 07:58 AM
this is probably the version that inspired the Allman Brothers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igqECIHuKl0

or just maybeeeeee it was this one. Definitely one of these two

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEtuFrkZNvU

 

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  posted on 6/12/2018 at 10:29 AM
Holy moly! Good find. I had never heard the Sonny & Cher version. It's really pretty good for 1965 and all things considered.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2018 at 11:03 AM
I can't see that Gary video from my region so not sure which version it is. But unlistenable? I would have a hard time describing anything by a guy that talented as unlistenable. Tastes differ I guess.

Gary was an ABB fan and always threw in some of the tunes that they did. Any ABB love is fine by me.


This version has some groove and swing for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq-8uBXUJzI

For sure the Junior Wells version is the basis.

This song is an example of a copyright nightmare. The song itself was "borrowed" and then many others " borrowed" from it.

Even the Junior Wells version adds "Baby" to get around paying. LOL

 

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  posted on 6/12/2018 at 11:34 AM
Sonny & Cher?! Great find -- who'da thunk That
There's a psychedelic workup (?) of sorts on the Supper Sessions record too -- not really my favorite one even w/all those great players -- it's a blues one --
all those ones, like YDLM, StrmyMndy, Statesboro etc, they cover more in the traditional blues way than the originals -- ie Bobby Blue Bland's version not really T-Bone Walker's, also Taj Mahal's/Will McTell's etc -- cool links, thanks

 

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  posted on 6/12/2018 at 12:06 PM
Sent Sonny & Cher to a pal and he replied "lol...and the structure is like Trouble No More to a degree."

It is, to a degree.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2018 at 12:08 PM
Canadian Mule -

I dig a lot of Moore's work, but I listened to Cobb and then him back to back and I stand by my opinion. The groove is just not right to my ear. It's too on the beat. The rhythmic flexibility and groove is why ABB could play genuine sounding blues with their own imprint in a way that so few of their contemporaries could manage.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2018 at 12:34 PM
Regarding Moore's version, the nice thing about the Allmans is they always made the blues swing. Moore's version is too much for me too, no subtlety. Than guitar tone hurts my ears, just not my jam.

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Gary was an ABB fan and always threw in some of the tunes that they did. Any ABB love is fine by me.


Well, so was Zakk Wylde, but that doesn't mean I want to hear him play "Liz Reed".

Anyone still jonesing for some more Allmans influences here's an early cover of Dr John's "Gilded Splinters"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arMskrggkrE

 

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  posted on 6/12/2018 at 04:19 PM
After watching an audience video on YouTube of Gary playing The Messiah Will Come on a red Stratocaster, there is no question in my mind Gary Moore can out shred anyone who was ever in the Allman Brothers including Jack Pearson and Jimmy Herring. His command of and speed on the fretboard is probably better than Eddie Van Halen. Check it out on YouTube and see what I mean. Just off the chart guitar playing. But look for the red Strat. That's the one.

With that said I agree with Alan for the most part. Gary was a rock shredder and one of the best. But he fell in love with the blues and moved into it. But Gary admits the blues greats he played with told him he was incredible but his style was too spastic for the blues. Slow down and go for feel. I think he was making some progress in that vain when he played blues.

Gary died of a heart attack in 2011 but according to his wiki page the heart attack was instigated by consuming an almost lethal amount of alcohol on vacation in Spain. I think it was .38 with .40 to .50 being fatal. It's sad when such talented people do that. Well any human being. Gregg and Dickey are in that group to a certain extent. Berry Oakley was too and it probably had a part to play in him hitting the city bus. Oakley's bass playing still amazes me. He was perfect for the ABB....as were the other 5 originals. Butch use to say back in the 70's it was as if the gods put those 6 together. It was a 6 person match made in heaven.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2018 at 07:36 PM
I think it may have come from here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msnhotwg3dU

 

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  posted on 6/12/2018 at 07:50 PM
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I dig a lot of Moore's work, but I listened to Cobb and then him back to back and I stand by my opinion. The groove is just not right to my ear. It's too on the beat. The rhythmic flexibility and groove is why ABB could play genuine sounding blues with their own imprint in a way that so few of their contemporaries could manage.


Oh I hear you. That is not a favorite cover done by Gary for me either. Pace is too fast but most likely done on purpose to not just copy the tune out right. He changed Done Somebody Wrong also to vary from the norm.

As for Gary, he played so many styles so well. Might not be some peoples' cup of tea but the talent is undeniable.

As George Harrison said "he is the best". His opinion of course but I respect that.

As for Zakk , well he is worlds away from Gary Moore is all aspects but I don't mind hearing him or anyone else play Liz Reed. It's only a song.

That Zakk show was by far the most requested show from me during trading years. Far from a stellar ABB show but to show up on 24 hours notice and play a two hour set? Not many could do it. Does he get excited and play too many notes and too fast at times - sure. It's Zakk F'N Wylde. LOL

That show is nowhere near as bad as some make out and I think many of those opinions were from reading a book and not hearing the show.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2018 at 11:01 PM
Gary's first album shows a strong ABB influence. Like many others, he spent more than a few hours listening to Duane and Dickey. This album is unknown to many and it is a pretty solid album from a young Gary. Although he leans on influences such as the ABB and Santana and may "borrow" at times. But those are some great influences to have.

The Gary Moore Band

Grinding Stone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fscySM-8IuQ

Boogie My Way Back Home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1q_8cVIBBA

Time To Heal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTPbIC-v_oQ

 

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  posted on 6/13/2018 at 11:29 AM
quote:
Gary's first album shows a strong ABB influence. Like many others, he spent more than a few hours listening to Duane and Dickey. This album is unknown to many and it is a pretty solid album from a young Gary. Although he leans on influences such as the ABB and Santana and may "borrow" at times. But those are some great influences to have.

The Gary Moore Band

Grinding Stone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fscySM-8IuQ

Boogie My Way Back Home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1q_8cVIBBA

Time To Heal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTPbIC-v_oQ




Thanks for bringing up this album! Always really liked it but Gary himself apparently didn't. Never understood why he didn't. Always been a big Gary Moore fan. Especially in the Eighties. I like that hardrock period much more than his > 1990 bluesrock period. When i "discovered" him in the early Eighties and was endlessly playing his "We Want Moore" album i tracked down all his Seventies output which was immensely diverse. Hardrock with Thin Lizzy, Jazzrock with Colloseum II, his G-Force album, his solo albums including "Grinding Stone" and "Back On The Streets" and his first band Skid Row. Still have all that stuff on vinyl including Japan imports, bootlegs, etc.

 

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  posted on 6/13/2018 at 12:33 PM
Never knew there were so many versions of this song! Love Willie Cobbs' cut.
Gary's didn't do a thing for me. Thanks for posting, I really enjoyed perusing YT
for other renditions.

 
 


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