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  posted on 6/6/2018 at 04:02 PM
Must not be any "lefties" on this thread then. Folks replying think it was a fair decision by the Supreme Court. They just don't share your view that the decision was a US proclamation against what you refer to as "perversion".
 

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  posted on 6/8/2018 at 08:32 AM
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What a couple of whining children, they act like 99 bakeries in a row told them NO! Most sane people would say..


Still hoping to discuss....why is exercising due process to have a judge hear their case considered to be “whining children” and not sane?

 

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  posted on 6/8/2018 at 11:26 AM
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What a couple of whining children, they act like 99 bakeries in a row told them NO! Most sane people would say..


Still hoping to discuss....why is exercising due process to have a judge hear their case considered to be “whining children” and not sane?


Not the case or the suit itself. You feel discriminated against?..More power to you....It's the "This guy won't bake our cake" that I refer to as whining and Imho, that is exactly what it is.... Not the Venue, not the wedding license...a Cake. For goodness sake, be adults and go to another Bakery

It is that simple. No response is necessary. You believe one thing and I believe another.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2018 at 12:36 PM
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Not the case or the suit itself. You feel discriminated against?..More power to you....It's the "This guy won't bake our cake" that I refer to as whining and Imho, that is exactly what it is.... Not the Venue, not the wedding license...a Cake. For goodness sake, be adults and go to another Bakery


Are you saying discrimination should be overlooked depending on the object in question?

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It is that simple. No response is necessary. You believe one thing and I believe another.


Actually, we both agree that the outcome was correct for this particular case. I was more curious about why you got enraged by the whole thing, rather than express curiousity over the outcome. When a Trump supporter filed a lawsuit against a NYC bar for resusing service to him, did you feel the same way, that he was a whiny child crying over a stupid beer? I'm just curious to know your position.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2018 at 01:03 PM
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What a couple of whining children, they act like 99 bakeries in a row told them NO! Most sane people would say..


Still hoping to discuss....why is exercising due process to have a judge hear their case considered to be “whining children” and not sane?


Not the case or the suit itself. You feel discriminated against?..More power to you....It's the "This guy won't bake our cake" that I refer to as whining and Imho, that is exactly what it is.... Not the Venue, not the wedding license...a Cake. For goodness sake, be adults and go to another Bakery

It is that simple. No response is necessary. You believe one thing and I believe another.



The homosexuals could have gone to many other bakers but they chose to target this baker because he actually practices his faith which is his constitutional right.

The lefties support the homosexuals demand for their so-called "rights" which do not exist.

Two left-wing justices sided with the Constitution but you'll notice the lefties here do not mention that fact.


 

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The homosexuals could have gone to many other bakers but they chose to target this baker because he actually practices his faith which is his constitutional right.

The lefties support the homosexuals demand for their so-called "rights" which do not exist.

Two left-wing justices sided with the Constitution but you'll notice the lefties here do not mention that fact.


Nice try, but fail. You are just trying to morph this into a gay rights debate, while your thread title is correct, it is about religious liberty .

READ YOUR THREAD. NOT ONE respondent has said the Supreme Court's decision was wrong.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2018 at 02:08 PM
He appears to be off his meds today.....
 

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  posted on 6/8/2018 at 02:16 PM
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Two left-wing justices sided with the Constitution but you'll notice the lefties here do not mention that fact.


Well, if you approve of the judge's decision, then don't complain when NYC bartenders throw out people wearing a red MAGA hat because that is exactly what you are casting your vote for.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2018 at 02:25 PM
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When a Trump supporter filed a lawsuit against a NYC bar for resusing service to him, did you feel the same way, that he was a whiny child crying over a stupid beer? I'm just curious to know your position.


I know nothing of this case and w/o any further info I will write this. I side with the NYC Bar for refusing service to anyone they choose. They are serving alcohol and pay insurance premiums dearly for that privilege. Now?...Just for the hat? Pretty funny to me. I'll wager it started with the Bartender saying something like "Hey Pal, You wanna drink here?, you gotta take off the hat"..either in a good-natured way or in all seriousness and it just escalated from there. Once again, don't like the way this establishment (Bar) is treating you? there is another right around the corner.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2018 at 02:33 PM
Yeah, bar dress code stuff, probably had zero to do with the logo on the cap - lots of places especially NYC won't let you in if too casual: jeans, sneakers, ball caps, etc.
 

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  posted on 6/8/2018 at 02:41 PM
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probably had zero to do with the logo on the cap


Even if it did, so what? Alluding to the "quote" from the fictional Bartender in my post above, he may have meant "Damn Trump supporter"...and it started from there.

Take off the hat and buy some shots for the girls, make some friends....or take your business elsewhere

 

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[qutoe]I know nothing of this case and w/o any further info I will write this. I side with the NYC Bar for refusing service to anyone they choose. They are serving alcohol and pay insurance premiums dearly for that privilege. Now?...Just for the hat? Pretty funny to me. I'll wager it started with the Bartender saying something like "Hey Pal, You wanna drink here?, you gotta take off the hat"..either in a good-natured way or in all seriousness and it just escalated from there. Once again, don't like the way this establishment (Bar) is treating you? there is another right around the corner.


Sounds like you are consistent in your legal decisioning. In both examples, however, you've made underhanded remarks about the liberal perspective - the gay couple were whiny and not sane, and you laugh at the bartender for "just for the hat".

I think I get it now. Since liberals fight for tolerance and inclusion of all types, then they shouldn't be critical of other perspectives because it creates a hypocrisy. But you and conservatives can do it all day because you never fought for tolerance and inclusion. Do I have that right?

 

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Agreed. Point was I have never seen a bar where it is ok to argue with the bartender.

Back in my longhair roadrunner days: Run out of a Tennessee grocery store at shotgun point, denied service in cafe in Louisiana bayou, denied service at a truckstop in Nebraska, and on and on it was normal. Exactly like the EZ Rider film, those scenes were real. No place around the corner, just pick up your gear and gypsy roll on.



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probably had zero to do with the logo on the cap


Even if it did, so what? Alluding to the "quote" from the fictional Bartender in my post above, he may have meant "Damn Trump supporter"...and it started from there.

Take off the hat and buy some shots for the girls, make some friends....or take your business elsewhere


Curious...do you believe in the concept of a protected class? Should, for instance, a racist reserve the right to be racist and refuse to serve someone explicitly based on their race? That is illegal. Should it be?

Not trying to ask a trap question, I'm just always curious how far different libertarians are willing to take the concepts.

 

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Sounds like you are consistent in your legal decisioning. In both examples, however, you've made underhanded remarks about the liberal perspective - the gay couple were whiny and not sane, and you laugh at the bartender for "just for the hat".


The left, so ready to play the Victim. I don't care that they are Gay, it would no difference to me if they were from Mars. You mentioned sanity, I never brought that up. I question their inability to walk away over a Cake

"and you laugh at the bartender for "just for the hat""...Not laughing at the Bartender, suggesting he was anti-Trump and the probable instigator

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think I get it now. Since liberals fight for tolerance and inclusion of all types, then they shouldn't be critical of other perspectives because it creates a hypocrisy. But you and conservatives can do it all day because you never fought for tolerance and inclusion. Do I have that right?


Look, all I have ever believed is that the sole act of asking for "Tolerance" is not going to magically make it happen. If you state an opinion and I state something to the contrary, that is an exchange of ideas. Any disagreement, that drops to a level of name calling is an argument. At some point "Tolerance" is long gone.

I have never claimed to be "Tolerant"..I do not preach what I can not practice. The fact that I do not preach it, in turn does make it Hypocritical, it is merely an opinion that is different than yours. I will however continue call it out when I read it, especially when said orator has clearly written in support of Tolerance and then proceeds to shout down those he thinks foolhardy. That, is completely different than stating a non-popular point of view.

 

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Look, all I have ever believed is that the sole act of asking for "Tolerance" is not going to magically make it happen. If you state an opinion and I state something to the contrary, that is an exchange of ideas. Any disagreement, that drops to a level of name calling is an argument. At some point "Tolerance" is long gone.

I have never claimed to be "Tolerant"..I do not preach what I can not practice. The fact that I do not preach it, in turn does make it Hypocritical, it is merely an opinion that is different than yours. I will however continue call it out when I read it, especially when said orator has clearly written in support of Tolerance and then proceeds to shout down those he thinks foolhardy. That, is completely different than stating a non-popular point of view.


Sounds good, but when you throw gas on a fire, expect to get burned. Anytime someone responds to your inflammatory comments, you get defensive and post the Buckley quote instead of discussing your comments.

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The left, so ready to play the Victim.


There you go again throwing matches. If someone bites, try debating them for a change instead of posting the Buckley quote.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2018 at 06:40 PM
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The left, so ready to play the Victim. I don't care that they are Gay, it would no difference to me if they were from Mars. You mentioned sanity, I never brought that up. I question their inability to walk away over a Cake

"and you laugh at the bartender for "just for the hat""...Not laughing at the Bartender, suggesting he was anti-Trump and the probable instigator


Ok, I'll bite. A good friend of mine tends bar at The Happiest Hour, the bar in question. It's a high end, expensive cocktail bar on the edge of Greenwich Village. It attracts a lot of d-bags, that is to say they put up with a lot night in and night out (example, the Olson Twins had their birthday party there).

The dude in question dropped $200 there, and was eventually asked to leave because he was being obnoxious to the staff. Bars don't suffer fools. His MAGA hat didn't help (never mind it could be considered gang apparel).

Afterwards the MAGA Hat Guy played victim, claiming his MAGA hat denied him service. Political affiliation isn't legally protected, so he claimed it was part of his religion, and a judge did not agree. In return, other MAGA folks sent the bar manager death threats.

Dude could have (and most likely did) gone to another bar, but woke up the next day intent on have a prolonged legal tantrum. MAGA Hats tend to be giant "Victim" signs.

 

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When you get down to it, the one true religion we can all relate to is $$$.

I remember discussing with an owner of a restaurant I frequent how she dealt with a customer who was vulgar and disrespectful. Here response was "Yep. He was a dick but ultimately he paid his tab, left the servers alone. The best customer is the one who pays" Fortunately, he's never returned to the establishment. Well done June!

 

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Afterwards the MAGA Hat Guy played victim, claiming his MAGA hat denied him service.


He sounds like a whiny little sh*t....

 

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Should, for instance, a racist reserve the right to be racist and refuse to serve someone explicitly based on their race? That is illegal. Should it be?


Interesting because I view this somewhat like I see abortion. I believe in a Woman's right to control what goes on with her own body. That being said, I think we all might agree on some sort of future Utopian society where no one has an abortion by choice? The question you pose about racism is on my radar simply because I want to believe we are beyond this type of thing, that it just does not happen anymore, that a Law forbidding it seems redundant. Illegal? I would rather see Society take care of it through the use of the almighty $$ and our simple growth as human beings.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2018 at 01:47 PM
But it wasn't happening, so laws were needed. F waiting around for the ignorant.
 

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  posted on 6/9/2018 at 08:11 PM
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Afterwards the MAGA Hat Guy played victim, claiming his MAGA hat denied him service.


He sounds like a whiny little sh*t....



Not buying this coming from a Donald Trump supporter, more believable if it was a Bernie Sanders supporter.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2018 at 10:06 PM
The ability to piss off both left and right is the sign of a freethinker.
 

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  posted on 6/10/2018 at 08:32 AM
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Afterwards the MAGA Hat Guy played victim, claiming his MAGA hat denied him service.


He sounds like a whiny little sh*t....



Not buying this coming from a Donald Trump supporter, more believable if it was a Bernie Sanders supporter.


Believe it, or keep denying reality. It's up to you. Here's FOX News' report on the matter just for you:

http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2018/04/25/judge-rules-new-york-city-bar- can-refuse-service-to-trump-supporter-wearing-maga-hat.html

 

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  posted on 6/10/2018 at 06:07 PM
Oh stop it Cliffy!Get your finger outta there ,i know what your trying to do.
The Grocery Hole Blues saga continue's.

 

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