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  posted on 5/24/2018 at 05:16 PM
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Then both you and the players are the silly ones:

Really? I watch a lot of NFL. I donít remember seeing players in a mass protest about this. I must have missed it.


My point, since you seem unable to grasp it, is that domestic violence against women (to use just ONE example) is every bit as important an issue as violence perpetrated against blacks by police. So maybe some players decide to take up THAT issue. And how about America's children REGULARLY getting slaughtered at school? Are you telling me THAT is any less important than violence perpetrated by cops?

So once we allow protests at a sporting event, why stop at blacks being killed by the police? Maybe we can have 4 or 5 different protests at each game. Is that fair to an NFL owner, who is trying to run a business? Why is a sporting event the chosen medium to protest ANY of these things?


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  posted on 5/24/2018 at 09:52 PM
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My point, since you seem unable to grasp it, is that domestic violence against women (to use just ONE example) is every bit as important an issue as violence perpetrated against blacks by police. So maybe some players decide to take up THAT issue. And how about America's children REGULARLY getting slaughtered at school? Are you telling me THAT is any less important than violence perpetrated by cops?


No, why do you ask?

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So once we allow protests at a sporting event, why stop at blacks being killed by the police?


Itís what is most important to the players.

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Maybe we can have 4 or 5 different protests at each game. Is that fair to an NFL owner, who is trying to run a business?


ďWe can haveĒ? You act as though itís the same as throwing a promotional event. And do you really see professional athletes forming multiple mass protests on a regular basis? Itís silly to think athletes would do that, and that is my point to you.

And Iím glad you are so concerned about fairness for the owners, we wouldnít want anything to be unfair for them. How can they manage? Others are more concerned about the fairness of being murdered for no reason.

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Why is a sporting event the chosen medium to protest ANY of these things?


Because of the enormous stage, and the enormous amount of exposure it gets. No other medium can produce that level of publicity.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2018 at 10:01 PM
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A true American - President Trump is calling for the expulsion of football players from the United States. For those who voted for him, you should be proud of your vote for someone who would kick black players out of the country but has a hard time in condemning white supremacists.

See the below article reflecting a segment from state run TV:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-fox-news-kick-protesting-football -players-country-132926844.html.


Trump wants to deport these players. How does that work? Generally, when you deport someone, you arre sending them to the country they are citizens of. Where do you send the NFL players? Gitmo?

 

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A true American - President Trump is calling for the expulsion of football players from the United States. For those who voted for him, you should be proud of your vote for someone who would kick black players out of the country but has a hard time in condemning white supremacists.

See the below article reflecting a segment from state run TV:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-fox-news-kick-protesting-football -players-country-132926844.html.


Trump wants to deport these players. How does that work? Generally, when you deport someone, you arre sending them to the country they are citizens of. Where do you send the NFL players? Gitmo?


Bingo.

Trump's thoughts (or extemporaneous microphone talk) are that of dictators. He has truly shown who he is in this last year and a half. And this is what; not whom this country voted for?

 

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Why is a sporting event the chosen medium to protest ANY of these things?

Because of the enormous stage, and the enormous amount of exposure it gets. No other medium can produce that level of publicity.


I see. So it's the players' right to protest ANYTHING they see fit, correct? "My boss has a huge business that gets TV exposure, so I am going to take advantage of this and put forth my political concerns on this stage. And the fact that they are paying me $8 million a year to play football is completely irrelevant."

Interesting. You might have a different view of things if you owned a professional sports franchise.............

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I'm wondering what the collective bargaining agreement states with the players' union. This seems like a unilateral decision made under pressure from a president who drapes himself in false patriotic rhetoric to create division between factions of the population.
 

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  posted on 5/26/2018 at 11:07 AM
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I see. So it's the players' right to protest ANYTHING they see fit, correct?


Correct. But they've only chosen to protest one thing. The rest is just a fantasy in your head.

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My boss has a huge business that gets TV exposure, so I am going to take advantage of this and put forth my political concerns on this stage. And the fact that they are paying me $8 million a year to play football is completely irrelevant.


Correct. Now you're getting it! This is called "democracy".

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You might have a different view of things if you owned a professional sports franchise.............


If I was this rich, I wouldn't be worrying about it at all....trust me. Sounds like you just have some personal issue with the whole thing, which is fine.

 

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I see. So it's the players' right to protest ANYTHING they see fit, correct?


Yes, as long as they are not at work.

 

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I see. So it's the players' right to protest ANYTHING they see fit, correct?


Yes, as long as they are not at work.


Where in the Constitution does it state that you have the right to free expression or free speech everywhere but at work?

 

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I see. So it's the players' right to protest ANYTHING they see fit, correct?


Yes, as long as they are not at work.


Where in the Constitution does it state that you have the right to free expression or free speech everywhere but at work?


There are consequences for everyone receiving a Paycheck who decides to disobey the rules put forth by the Boss.

True or false?

 

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I see. So it's the players' right to protest ANYTHING they see fit, correct?


Yes, as long as they are not at work.


Where in the Constitution does it state that you have the right to free expression or free speech everywhere but at work?


This could potentially go all the way to the Supreme Court. I don't believe there is legal precedence for this issue. What I DO know is that the Supreme Court has already ruled years ago that an employer has a right to fire someone who tests positive for marijuana even if marijuana is outright legal in that state. The court ruled that a company is the employer's private entity and they have a right to demand a clean drug test.

I'm assuming that if the protest issue did go that far, the court would rule that if an employer wishes to keep political protests out of their business they have every right to do so.

 

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I see. So it's the players' right to protest ANYTHING they see fit, correct?


Yes, as long as they are not at work.


Ditto. Seems a bit too complex for some here to understand though, Vince.

 

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There are consequences for everyone receiving a Paycheck who decides to disobey the rules put forth by the Boss.

True or false?


Yes, a fine apparently. Point?


 

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  posted on 5/26/2018 at 05:56 PM
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Yes, as long as they are not at work.


Why do you speak for business owners?

 

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  posted on 5/26/2018 at 05:59 PM
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Ditto. Seems a bit too complex for some here to understand though, Vince.


LOL, hilarious. "Too complex", yet you bailed on responding to me because you have nothing. It's not illegal in any way. The only consequence is to get fired. The players are willing to take that chance. The NFL and owners have done nothing until now....why? Because they need the players. No law is being broken. Sounds like you are mostly upset with the NFL and the owners for not doing anything about it until now. But you claim its "too complex" for others....don't make me laugh.

 

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I see. So it's the players' right to protest ANYTHING they see fit, correct?


Yes, as long as they are not at work.


Where in the Constitution does it state that you have the right to free expression or free speech everywhere but at work?


This could potentially go all the way to the Supreme Court. I don't believe there is legal precedence for this issue. What I DO know is that the Supreme Court has already ruled years ago that an employer has a right to fire someone who tests positive for marijuana even if marijuana is outright legal in that state. The court ruled that a company is the employer's private entity and they have a right to demand a clean drug test.

I'm assuming that if the protest issue did go that far, the court would rule that if an employer wishes to keep political protests out of their business they have every right to do so.


I guess that means that if an employee had a political bumper sticker on his car that the employer did not approve of, he could fire the employee if he parks the car in the company parking lot.


 

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I see. So it's the players' right to protest ANYTHING they see fit, correct?


Yes, as long as they are not at work.


Where in the Constitution does it state that you have the right to free expression or free speech everywhere but at work?


There are consequences for everyone receiving a Paycheck who decides to disobey the rules put forth by the Boss.

True or false?


No. An illegal rule can not get an employee fired. Courts have ruled that way many times.


 

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I see. So it's the players' right to protest ANYTHING they see fit, correct?


Yes, as long as they are not at work.


Ditto. Seems a bit too complex for some here to understand though, Vince.


Everything BigV posts is an absolute with no room for negotiation. But we are the ones who find this too complex. Hysterical.

 

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LOL, hilarious. "Too complex", yet you bailed on responding to me because you have nothing. It's not illegal in any way. The only consequence is to get fired. The players are willing to take that chance. The NFL and owners have done nothing until now....why? Because they need the players. No law is being broken. Sounds like you are mostly upset with the NFL and the owners for not doing anything about it until now. But you claim its "too complex" for others....don't make me laugh.


As mentioned I believe that this will eventually go to court. And based on the marijuana issue, I believe I know what the court will decide. You and I can debate all day but it's not going to effect the outcome much.

 

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LOL, hilarious. "Too complex", yet you bailed on responding to me because you have nothing. It's not illegal in any way. The only consequence is to get fired. The players are willing to take that chance. The NFL and owners have done nothing until now....why? Because they need the players. No law is being broken. Sounds like you are mostly upset with the NFL and the owners for not doing anything about it until now. But you claim its "too complex" for others....don't make me laugh.


As mentioned I believe that this will eventually go to court. And based on the marijuana issue, I believe I know what the court will decide. You and I can debate all day but it's not going to effect the outcome much.




Two separate issues. The companies won by basing the fact that marijuana could produce less productivity and be a possible danger if employees were under the influence. That is not even close to a comparison with this situation.

 

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If it becomes law, then I'll concede that they have no right to do it. But until then, the players have done nothing wrong, and the full onus is on the NFL and the owners to discipline them how they see fit, until a law is in place. My only point. My family owns a small business, and if an employee brings a protest to the store, I'd hope my family fires them immediately for creating a financial risk. But the NFL and the team owners have chosen not to go that route. It's on them. It's on democracy.
 

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Two separate issues. The companies won by basing the fact that marijuana could produce less productivity and be a possible danger if employees were under the influence. That is not even close to a comparison with this situation.


Disagree, in fact I see lots of similarity. Marijuana is legal in California, yet the court has given companies ultimate power. Political protest is legal...........but IS it legal in your place of employment if your employer tells you not to do it? The court may give companies the exact same power, and I believe that they will.

 

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I see. So it's the players' right to protest ANYTHING they see fit, correct?


Yes, as long as they are not at work.


So when people picket their work conditions they should do it where?...there is peaceful protest at job sites and has been for the entire American experiment...

The idea that kneeling is disrespectful is a joke. I took a knee before my wife when I asked her to marry me. I kneel at the coffin of a lost loved one. When I visit the cemetery I spend a lot of time kneeling at my grandparents and parents graves. I was brought up catholic and we kneel multiple time during mass. We kneel when we take confession and when we say our prayers.

Only in the Azzxwipe world of Donald Trump and his neo-nazi supporters does kneeling become disrespectful. If anyone has been following, it was a former vet that told Kap to kneel because that's what they do for their fallen to show "Respect"

Are they going to shut down the concessions and close the restroom too?...will the Dictator tell us all we "MUST" stand. Is everyone going to turn their phones off and stand? Are we all at home going to stand??? do you now???

Has anyone here ever picketed their place of employment??? Has anyone seen protests going on outside of private businesses

Ya all have forgotten what our families fought for in the those 2 world wars....we're too far removed from what they set up for us and what is now being destroyed.

Donald Trump is not king and little to nothing of what he bring to the table is worth a moments thought....

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Two separate issues. The companies won by basing the fact that marijuana could produce less productivity and be a possible danger if employees were under the influence. That is not even close to a comparison with this situation.


Disagree, in fact I see lots of similarity. Marijuana is legal in California, yet the court has given companies ultimate power. Political protest is legal...........but IS it legal in your place of employment if your employer tells you not to do it? The court may give companies the exact same power, and I believe that they will.




The pot one, just like a lot of things, is complicated. I can certainly see not wanting, say, truck drivers high, or people that work for the electric utility up in a bucket around electric wires high..... there are certain jobs that are dangerous enough without adding someone being high while doing those jobs. There are also many jobs where it doesn't really matter...... like I said, more complicated than black and white.

 

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So when people picket their work conditions they should do it where?...there is peaceful protest at job sites and has been for the entire American experiment...

The idea that kneeling is disrespectful is a joke. I took a knee before my wife when I asked her to marry me. I kneel at the coffin of a lost loved one. When I visit the cemetery I spend a lot of time kneeling at my grandparents and parents graves. I was brought up catholic and we kneel multiple time during mass. We kneel when we take confession and when we say our prayers.

Only in the Azzxwipe world of Donald Trump and his neo-nazi supporters does kneeling become disrespectful. If anyone has been following, it was a former vet that told Kap to kneel because that's what they do for their fallen to show "Respect"

Are they going to shut down the concessions and close the restroom too?...will the Dictator tell us all we "MUST" stand. Is everyone going to turn their phones off and stand? Are we all at home going to stand??? do you now???

Has anyone here ever picketed their place of employment??? Has anyone seen protests going on outside of private businesses

Ya all have forgotten what our families fought for in the those 2 world wars....we're too far removed from what they set up for us and what is now being destroyed.

Donald Trump is not king and little to nothing of what he bring to the table is worth a moments thought....


Just an FYI Ron, I've made a lot of comments here and in fact I started this thread. And I never ONCE had anything that Donald Trump has done or said in mind when discussing this issue. So to me, your post is a bit off base. As far as I'm concerned, this issue is between the owners and the players (and quite possibly the court) and it was an issue before Donald Trump ever got involved.

[Edited on 5/27/2018 by robslob]

 

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