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  posted on 5/2/2018 at 07:34 PM
Who remembers how Obama raided them and caused an unnecessary loss of significant capital in the millions of dollars? Over wood types used. Regulations China and other low cost places don't follow.

Tells you all you need to know about the difference in philosophies between Obama the Disaster and President Trump and there attitude towards American business.

This is why we pulled out of the Paris global warming deal and the TPP deal.

 

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Who remembers how Obama raided them and caused an unnecessary loss of significant capital in the millions of dollars? Over wood types used. Regulations China and other low cost places don't follow.

Tells you all you need to know about the difference in philosophies between Obama the Disaster and President Trump and there attitude towards American business.

This is why we pulled out of the Paris global warming deal and the TPP deal.


Blaming Gibson's woes on President Obama? Really? How about Gibson breaking the law by using wood products that are banned due to environmental concerns plus just plain making poor business decisions by leveraging itself with too much debt.

As far as "Obama the disaster", the country's economy (GDP growth and employment) was healthier when he left than when he took over. The current president sure had it better when he took office than President Obama.

BTW, what's the price of gas out your way Goob and how much has it increased since the beginning of the year?

[Edited on 5/3/2018 by StratDal]

 

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  posted on 5/2/2018 at 08:37 PM
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Who remembers how Obama raided them and caused an unnecessary loss of significant capital in the millions of dollars? Over wood types used. Regulations China and other low cost places don't follow.

Tells you all you need to know about the difference in philosophies between Obama the Disaster and President Trump and there attitude towards American business.

This is why we pulled out of the Paris global warming deal and the TPP deal.
trump loves the stupid. You are his boy.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2018 at 08:41 PM
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Regulations China and other low cost places don't follow.


No doubt, we should follow China's example. Democracy sucks.

 

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Ha, this is a stretch, even for you, Goobs. Did Obama kill Toys R Us too? And where was Obama when the Dodo was in trouble? You do know that the Department of Justice isn't the President's personal stormtroopers, right?

What ever happened to owning up to business model failures, like over-saturating the market and inflating resale value causing massive company debt? And facing the music when you break Federal law? But when the President keeps making mistakes and blaming everyone around him, you get people like you, Goobs, who think that's totally ok. Accountability is the difference in philosophy.

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  posted on 5/3/2018 at 10:55 AM
Funny how other instrument manufacturers are doing just fine. Blaming politics....how weak and sad, lol.
 

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  posted on 5/3/2018 at 03:15 PM
I know a guy who keeps blaming Obama because he canít grow his business. How did all the others manage?
 

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  posted on 5/7/2018 at 10:29 AM
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Who remembers how Obama raided them and caused an unnecessary loss of significant capital in the millions of dollars? Over wood types used. Regulations China and other low cost places don't follow.

Tells you all you need to know about the difference in philosophies between Obama the Disaster and President Trump and there attitude towards American business.

This is why we pulled out of the Paris global warming deal and the TPP deal.



The wood was the excuse Obama's militant EPA used to raid Gibson in full military gear with automatic weapons drawn and pointed at the employees.

Martin guitars was also "visited" by Gov't agents dressed in suits and in a non-threatening manner.

The difference was because Gibson's CEO made contributions to Republican candidates and Obama had to have them punished.


 

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Who remembers how Obama raided them and caused an unnecessary loss of significant capital in the millions of dollars? Over wood types used. Regulations China and other low cost places don't follow.

Tells you all you need to know about the difference in philosophies between Obama the Disaster and President Trump and there attitude towards American business.

This is why we pulled out of the Paris global warming deal and the TPP deal.


Two raids in 2009 and 2011.

Illegal wood worth $261,844 was forfeited by Gibson.

As a part of the 2012 settlement with the government, Gibson agreed to pay a $300,000 fine, along with making a $50,000 donation to the National Fish & Wildlife Fund.

The material impact to Gibson then totals $611,844.

In early 2018, Standard & Poor's downgrades Gibson's credit rating on the fact that Gibson is carrying $500 million in debt that comes due by the end of this summer.

Alrighty then.

 

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  posted on 5/7/2018 at 02:48 PM
Nope. You just don't get it: Republicans are incapable of committing crimes.
 

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Who remembers how Obama raided them and caused an unnecessary loss of significant capital in the millions of dollars? Over wood types used. Regulations China and other low cost places don't follow.

Tells you all you need to know about the difference in philosophies between Obama the Disaster and President Trump and there attitude towards American business.

This is why we pulled out of the Paris global warming deal and the TPP deal.


Two raids in 2009 and 2011.

Illegal wood worth $261,844 was forfeited by Gibson.

As a part of the 2012 settlement with the government, Gibson agreed to pay a $300,000 fine, along with making a $50,000 donation to the National Fish & Wildlife Fund.

The material impact to Gibson then totals $611,844.

In early 2018, Standard & Poor's downgrades Gibson's credit rating on the fact that Gibson is carrying $500 million in debt that comes due by the end of this summer.

Alrighty then.


If only Hillarys server was made of exotic wood, Obama might have payed more attention then.

 

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You'd like to give hilary some exotic wood I bet.
 

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Who remembers how Obama raided them and caused an unnecessary loss of significant capital in the millions of dollars? Over wood types used. Regulations China and other low cost places don't follow.

Tells you all you need to know about the difference in philosophies between Obama the Disaster and President Trump and there attitude towards American business.

This is why we pulled out of the Paris global warming deal and the TPP deal.


Two raids in 2009 and 2011.

Illegal wood worth $261,844 was forfeited by Gibson.

As a part of the 2012 settlement with the government, Gibson agreed to pay a $300,000 fine, along with making a $50,000 donation to the National Fish & Wildlife Fund.

The material impact to Gibson then totals $611,844.

In early 2018, Standard & Poor's downgrades Gibson's credit rating on the fact that Gibson is carrying $500 million in debt that comes due by the end of this summer.

Alrighty then.


If only Hillarys server was made of exotic wood, Obama might have payed more attention then.
Yessir, trump LOVES the under-educated, and gullible!. he's got a chubby just for YOU glueber!.

 

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You'd like to give hilary some exotic wood I bet.


NOOOOO... The visual from hell...

Must.Clear.Mind.Now. Help me... please help me...

 

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Who remembers how Obama raided them and caused an unnecessary loss of significant capital in the millions of dollars? Over wood types used. Regulations China and other low cost places don't follow.

Tells you all you need to know about the difference in philosophies between Obama the Disaster and President Trump and there attitude towards American business.

This is why we pulled out of the Paris global warming deal and the TPP deal.


Two raids in 2009 and 2011.

Illegal wood worth $261,844 was forfeited by Gibson.

As a part of the 2012 settlement with the government, Gibson agreed to pay a $300,000 fine, along with making a $50,000 donation to the National Fish & Wildlife Fund.

The material impact to Gibson then totals $611,844.

In early 2018, Standard & Poor's downgrades Gibson's credit rating on the fact that Gibson is carrying $500 million in debt that comes due by the end of this summer.

Alrighty then.



You forgot to mention that Obama went after Gibson and let Martin slide on the wood issue.
Selective prosecution for a purely political agenda.


 

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Who remembers how Obama raided them and caused an unnecessary loss of significant capital in the millions of dollars? Over wood types used. Regulations China and other low cost places don't follow.

Tells you all you need to know about the difference in philosophies between Obama the Disaster and President Trump and there attitude towards American business.

This is why we pulled out of the Paris global warming deal and the TPP deal.


Two raids in 2009 and 2011.

Illegal wood worth $261,844 was forfeited by Gibson.

As a part of the 2012 settlement with the government, Gibson agreed to pay a $300,000 fine, along with making a $50,000 donation to the National Fish & Wildlife Fund.

The material impact to Gibson then totals $611,844.

In early 2018, Standard & Poor's downgrades Gibson's credit rating on the fact that Gibson is carrying $500 million in debt that comes due by the end of this summer.

Alrighty then.



You forgot to mention that Obama went after Gibson and let Martin slide on the wood issue.
Selective prosecution for a purely political agenda.




This is all I could find (using Google) regarding Martin and it was from 2007, a year before President Obama took office. The article doesn't state Martin did anything illegal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/06/business/worldbusiness/06iht-sbiz.4.6026 426.html

If you have more relevant information, please post. Thanks.

 

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You forgot to mention that Obama went after Gibson and let Martin slide on the wood issue.
Selective prosecution for a purely political agenda.



The policy isn't domestic, it's international law at the behest of South America and Africa to curb over-harvesting African and Brazilian rosewoods by smugglers mostly to your favorite country, China.

There are a lot of B.S. articles that have tried to make this a political thing, which you have blindly bought into (big surprise). The fact is guitar makers can still import rosewoods (Martin uses a lot of Indian rosewood), it's just much more difficult. Gibson did it illegally and had to pay for breaking the law.

 

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Who remembers how Obama raided them and caused an unnecessary loss of significant capital in the millions of dollars? Over wood types used. Regulations China and other low cost places don't follow.

Tells you all you need to know about the difference in philosophies between Obama the Disaster and President Trump and there attitude towards American business.

This is why we pulled out of the Paris global warming deal and the TPP deal.


Two raids in 2009 and 2011.

Illegal wood worth $261,844 was forfeited by Gibson.

As a part of the 2012 settlement with the government, Gibson agreed to pay a $300,000 fine, along with making a $50,000 donation to the National Fish & Wildlife Fund.

The material impact to Gibson then totals $611,844.

In early 2018, Standard & Poor's downgrades Gibson's credit rating on the fact that Gibson is carrying $500 million in debt that comes due by the end of this summer.

Alrighty then.



You forgot to mention that Obama went after Gibson and let Martin slide on the wood issue.
Selective prosecution for a purely political agenda.




This is all I could find (using Google) regarding Martin and it was from 2007, a year before President Obama took office. The article doesn't state Martin did anything illegal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/06/business/worldbusiness/06iht-sbiz.4.6026 426.html

If you have more relevant information, please post. Thanks.





Your NYT link is old and a corrupt liberal media opinion piece.

Dismissed as b/s.


 

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  posted on 5/8/2018 at 11:57 AM
It isn't a partisan issue at all. Martin was careful to follow the guidelines, but there are quite a few luthiers here in NoCal and the PacNW who have stockpiles of wood that became illegal under the new rules, who are plenty scared since the Gibson raid. These guys, one mentioned in this article below who I know and have worked with personally, have their retirement tied up in these materials. They aren't counting on politics to give them a pass on this, they are deep blue Northern California hippies - the craft has become pretty hush hush. I am having a guitar made right now from wood that was originally earmarked for a guitar for David Crosby in the 80s, but his guitar wasn't made. Not gonna mention what who or where - so you see even "lefties" are under the gun. I would bet that most of the artisans now flying under the radar now are old "lefties", so just because Gibson had Republican ties means nothing. It is silly argument.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/2295235-181/feds-guitar-wood-raid-hits

[Edited on 5/8/2018 by BrerRabbit]

 

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Who remembers how Obama raided them and caused an unnecessary loss of significant capital in the millions of dollars? Over wood types used. Regulations China and other low cost places don't follow.

Tells you all you need to know about the difference in philosophies between Obama the Disaster and President Trump and there attitude towards American business.

This is why we pulled out of the Paris global warming deal and the TPP deal.


Two raids in 2009 and 2011.

Illegal wood worth $261,844 was forfeited by Gibson.

As a part of the 2012 settlement with the government, Gibson agreed to pay a $300,000 fine, along with making a $50,000 donation to the National Fish & Wildlife Fund.

The material impact to Gibson then totals $611,844.

In early 2018, Standard & Poor's downgrades Gibson's credit rating on the fact that Gibson is carrying $500 million in debt that comes due by the end of this summer.

Alrighty then.



You forgot to mention that Obama went after Gibson and let Martin slide on the wood issue.
Selective prosecution for a purely political agenda.




Please describe, in detail, how the material impact of the $611,844 in settlement costs in 2012 is connected to the $500 million in debt that Gibson is carrying in 2018. Thanks in advance!

 

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  posted on 5/8/2018 at 12:16 PM
Right on, Brer. There are guitars that have been made and sold that could potentially get confiscated if it's found they used illegal woods. But the guitar market is such a small part of this issue, which is largely thanks to China illegal importing tons of rare woods to make imitation relic furniture. But Mule worships China for some reason (maybe he gets his Rhino Horn pills from there), so I'm not really sure why he thinks the Obama administration was picking on a guitar manufacturer that was failing for so many other financial reasons. Which is a shame, I love Gibson instruments and want them to succeed, just maybe without breaking international law meant to preserve tree species. It's comical anyone would turn this into a partisan issue, but Mule never let the truth get in the way of a chance to blame Obama for something.

 

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Who remembers how Obama raided them and caused an unnecessary loss of significant capital in the millions of dollars? Over wood types used. Regulations China and other low cost places don't follow.

Tells you all you need to know about the difference in philosophies between Obama the Disaster and President Trump and there attitude towards American business.

This is why we pulled out of the Paris global warming deal and the TPP deal.


Two raids in 2009 and 2011.

Illegal wood worth $261,844 was forfeited by Gibson.

As a part of the 2012 settlement with the government, Gibson agreed to pay a $300,000 fine, along with making a $50,000 donation to the National Fish & Wildlife Fund.

The material impact to Gibson then totals $611,844.

In early 2018, Standard & Poor's downgrades Gibson's credit rating on the fact that Gibson is carrying $500 million in debt that comes due by the end of this summer.

Alrighty then.



You forgot to mention that Obama went after Gibson and let Martin slide on the wood issue.
Selective prosecution for a purely political agenda.




This is all I could find (using Google) regarding Martin and it was from 2007, a year before President Obama took office. The article doesn't state Martin did anything illegal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/06/business/worldbusiness/06iht-sbiz.4.6026 426.html

If you have more relevant information, please post. Thanks.





Your NYT link is old and a corrupt liberal media opinion piece.

Dismissed as b/s.




Well I did ask if you to post with more relevant information. Either it's not there or you don't understand internet search dynamics.

 

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Who remembers how Obama raided them and caused an unnecessary loss of significant capital in the millions of dollars? Over wood types used. Regulations China and other low cost places don't follow.

Tells you all you need to know about the difference in philosophies between Obama the Disaster and President Trump and there attitude towards American business.

This is why we pulled out of the Paris global warming deal and the TPP deal.


Two raids in 2009 and 2011.

Illegal wood worth $261,844 was forfeited by Gibson.

As a part of the 2012 settlement with the government, Gibson agreed to pay a $300,000 fine, along with making a $50,000 donation to the National Fish & Wildlife Fund.

The material impact to Gibson then totals $611,844.

In early 2018, Standard & Poor's downgrades Gibson's credit rating on the fact that Gibson is carrying $500 million in debt that comes due by the end of this summer.

Alrighty then.



You forgot to mention that Obama went after Gibson and let Martin slide on the wood issue.
Selective prosecution for a purely political agenda.




This is all I could find (using Google) regarding Martin and it was from 2007, a year before President Obama took office. The article doesn't state Martin did anything illegal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/06/business/worldbusiness/06iht-sbiz.4.6026 426.html

If you have more relevant information, please post. Thanks.





Your NYT link is old and a corrupt liberal media opinion piece.

Dismissed as b/s.




Well I did ask if you to post with more relevant information. Either it's not there or you don't understand internet search dynamics.



I do not do research for anyone too incompetent or lazy to source public factual information.

The factual date is out there. The fact that you cannot find it just shows us all what you are all about.


 

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I do not do research for anyone too incompetent or lazy to source public factual information.

The factual date is out there. The fact that you cannot find it just shows us all what you are all about.


No, you post a bunch of nonsense some other idiot made up, and then we have to correct you with actual facts. And when proven wrong you move on to another thread and repeat.

 

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