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  posted on 4/15/2018 at 06:52 PM
When it comes to bands and drama, Fleetwood Mac will always be top 5. Always something with that band...

 

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  posted on 4/15/2018 at 07:58 PM
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Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.

Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.


well here are the thoughts of fans on the rolling stones forum

https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2532684,page=7

 

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 03:53 AM
40 years of Buckingham/Nicks Soap Opera - For The Love Of God someone cancel it. As soon as they announced that Buckingham/McVie were going to release an album, did anyone actually think that Stevie would be happy and that Lindsey would stick around? At this point, it doesn't matter who plays guitar in FM. It will sell the exact same regardless. The average FM ticket buyer wouldn't care/know. They have already proven that in the past. Hell there were people at ABB shows 15 years after that didn't know or care that Dickey wasn't there.

Now take away Stevie and all those 50 to 65 year old women who wanted to be Stevie and/or witches would be pissed. You could take away Fleetwood or either McVie with no effect at all from ticket sales. But No Nicks means No Fleetwood Mac Tour.


Thank God that the Gregg and Cher Soap Opera didn't last 40 years and that they only made one album together.

 

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 04:11 AM
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Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.

Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.


well here are the thoughts of fans on the rolling stones forum

https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2532684,page=7


I laughed when one guy says that they won't be able to play Oh Well anymore. Example of how many people don't have a clue.

 

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 07:54 AM
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Guys, all this anger coming your way makes me feel like crying. My worried dream is that although the sun is shining that you should probably close your eyes and give up on this merry go round of an argument because the world keeps turning. It's probably best that you just said "Oh Well" and moved on with it because this albatross you guys are carrying will have you trying so hard to forget what your point was in the first place.

I believe my time ain't long if I keep writing this on this cold black night. I've got a mind to give up living because once I dust my broom I'll have no place to go so I won't be coming home. You got to move, so get on your long grey mare and get an appointment with Doctor Brown and maybe his talk with you will get you guys to stop messin' around.

Watch out!

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Winner! Post Of The Thread. LOL - I think it went right by Matt.

Well thought out and done. Feel bad that you made such an effort on such a weak topic but Well Done.


Thank you.

I did it more to entertain myself, a little to lighten the mood of this thread, but mostly to entertain myself with how many Green/Spencer era Mac songs I could work into a (mostly) coherent fake rant.


 

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 10:23 AM
I wonder if there is some apartment, somewhere, with curtains drawn, and sitting a lonesome figure. There is music on, and wafting through the dusty air come the strains of "Sentimental Lady". This sad figure in the dark has staunchly refused to follow "Mac" since the vanguard era of Bob Welch.

Joke.... kinda.... I do have and like Bare Trees on vinyl. Heroes are Hard to Find is good, but the cover just freaks me out, still. Mac's history is a revolving door of guitarists, really.

 

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 10:27 AM
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Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.

Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.


well here are the thoughts of fans on the rolling stones forum

https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2532684,page=7


I laughed when one guy says that they won't be able to play Oh Well anymore. Example of how many people don't have a clue.


a thread of people mainly agreeing with me. figured you would dump on it when i posted it. "people don't have a clue". everyone knew exactly what that post meant. unless nicks allows "oh well" to be played it will not be played. it was played at the request out buckingham during the buckingham/nicks era and unless nicks ok's it then it won't be played as i doubt mike or finn have any say in the setlist

 

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 11:05 AM
Ya gotta let it go, Matt. You have been having a debate with me that I am not part of.

You post a bunch of people talking about FM. So what? When you go to a show, those people represent 1%. Just as everyone on here knows all about the ABB, the vast majority just don't care beyond liking the songs and having a good time. I have seen and worked over a dozen FM shows and can guarantee that the fans are Upper Middle Class and higher and just want to be there and enjoy the tunes. You will never agree to it but most have no idea who the guitarist is but take Stevie away......... None of the soap opera stuff matters. The world moved on to Brad/Jen/Angelina long ago.

How do I know that people won't care? It already happened with the Burnett/Vito era and people loved the shows and could care less. What happened when Christine wasn't there? Same thing - people loved it and bought tickets.

It was during the Burnett/Vito Era that Green era tunes returned. A definite added bonus that I had missed during previous shows.

You will drive yourself insane trying to justify some R&R soap opera. Buckingham will be back in two years so no worries.

Personally I would love the band to come out and play only Green era songs while still charging the yuppy crowd $300. The puzzled look on faces would be incredible.

 

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 11:12 AM
so you really think mike and neil are going to walk in and start demanding songs be played? yes the song was played when buckingham was not there. those were different times though as it was an active band still touring yearly and making new music.

you can continue to tell me sales=great artistic creations. go buy your justin beiber albums then

 

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 11:23 AM
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so you really think mike and neil are going to walk in and start demanding songs be played? yes the song was played when buckingham was not there. those were different times though as it was an active band still touring yearly and making new music.

you can continue to tell me sales=great artistic creations. go buy your justin beiber albums then


You are either comical or delusional.

Where did I say a thing about Mike or Neil saying a thing? I never mentioned it at all.

I never said a thing about sales and artistic creations.

Commercial failure where sales drop 90% is due to one factor - The Customer telling you that they do not like your product. If your local restaurant served you a Prime Rib dinner one night and then Spam the next night at the same cost - would you be happy?

Why did Tusk not sell as well? Took way too long, far too much filler but mostly the material was not as good. If Lindsey had spent 2 months or ten years the results would have been the same.

It should have been a single album with all the excess Lindsey crap left off. They all know that now - even Lindsey.

 

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 11:24 AM
Why the excess - The True Producer - Cocaine

 

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 11:30 AM
They are going out on tour just to pad the retirement funds. they are all about 70 years old [Christine is 74]. not really worth arguing about.
 

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 11:39 AM
A lot of what I've read recently (since Lindsey's departure) is that his & Christine's CD is quite good -- one of those curiosities I'd like to hear sometime -- Hypnotized, 1 of those tunes that stays w/ya

 

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 11:56 AM
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so you really think mike and neil are going to walk in and start demanding songs be played? yes the song was played when buckingham was not there. those were different times though as it was an active band still touring yearly and making new music.

you can continue to tell me sales=great artistic creations. go buy your justin beiber albums then


You are either comical or delusional.

Where did I say a thing about Mike or Neil saying a thing? I never mentioned it at all.

I never said a thing about sales and artistic creations.

Commercial failure where sales drop 90% is due to one factor - The Customer telling you that they do not like your product. If your local restaurant served you a Prime Rib dinner one night and then Spam the next night at the same cost - would you be happy?

Why did Tusk not sell as well? Took way too long, far too much filler but mostly the material was not as good. If Lindsey had spent 2 months or ten years the results would have been the same.

It should have been a single album with all the excess Lindsey crap left off. They all know that now - even Lindsey.


sales did not drop 90%. you are the one on crack. rumours worldwide sales in 1981 were roughly 12 million. tusk sales in 1981 worldwide were roughly 4 million. thats not a 90% sales drop.


also a bad analogy as rumours was a single album and tusk was a double album selling for more than the standard cost of a regular double album. they were not selling different things at the same price.

finally imo no ones material on tusk is as strong as rumours. nicks has 3 good songs on tusk, mcvie 3 and buckingham 5 and out of those 11 songs i'd say only 6 are close to whats on rumours

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 11:59 AM
It's funny that you mentioned "Oh Well." I was surprised to see that song appear on the live album in 1980 from the Buckingham / Nicks line-up but also enjoyed it thoroughly; they did it right.

When I saw Tom Petty /ABB double bill some years back, Tom Petty played "Oh Well" and ripped it up. (I believe it appears on a live boxed set of his).

So, since Mike Campbell has already shown that he can do that song justice, this new Mac just may well play that song.

It could be that they will air "Stop Dragging My Heart Around " also?

 

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 01:01 PM
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Why did Tusk not sell as well? Took way too long, far too much filler but mostly the material was not as good. If Lindsey had spent 2 months or ten years the results would have been the same....It should have been a single album with all the excess Lindsey crap left off.


It was a disaster in many ways, Lindsey went full screech singing on a few, and his material overdrenched the album, like they gave the reins to him. In a weird way I like the silly Tusk song. In his defense, it was not as strong Nicks / McVie material either.

A not better than, but suitable follow up to Rumours if a single album. Agreed.....

 

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Why did Tusk not sell as well? Took way too long, far too much filler but mostly the material was not as good. If Lindsey had spent 2 months or ten years the results would have been the same....It should have been a single album with all the excess Lindsey crap left off.


It was a disaster in many ways, Lindsey went full screech singing on a few, and his material overdrenched the album, like they gave the reins to him. In a weird way I like the silly Tusk song. In his defense, it was not as strong Nicks / McVie material either.

A not better than, but suitable follow up to Rumours if a single album. Agreed.....


and nicks actually has more total time on the album than buckinghams 9 songs. each one of stevies song is about 5 minutes or longer. they are just too long. again fleetwood told the band he wanted a double album. all buckingham could do was pretty much put everything deemed complete on the album. mcvie only had 2 songs that didn't make tusk that she offered up, nicks had 5 more, 2 were released a few years ago on 24 karat gold, 1 was released on her album wild heart, 1 of the FM album say you will and 1 is unreleased. nicks had more songs that she had set aside for her debut solo album and didn't offer them to the band. buckinham had 2 songs that didn't make the album.

 

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Personally I would love the band to come out and play only Green era songs while still charging the yuppy crowd $300. The puzzled look on faces would be incredible.


Yeah that would be awesome! They would be like....huh...?

I remember about 18-20 yrs ago I made a doctor friend of mine at the hospital I work at a mix of Green FM tunes. They never knew of that era or those songs. I dont think they were really into being more of the fans of the Nicks Buckingham lineup . Oh well, no pun intended.

Mike Campbell could probably pull of the Greeney stuff.

I always wanted to hear Warren and Derek take on "Coming Your Way" Great Harmony guitar work from the original.
https://youtu.be/Hnn399y7g9E


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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 07:56 PM
JSZ, good call on Coming Your Way. So many good harmony leads by the Mac.

Interestingly for ABB fans, Peter Green and John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers did “You Don’t Love Me” on their 1968 album A Hard Road. I have to assume the Allmans knew that version, as they are pretty close.

 

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  posted on 4/16/2018 at 09:09 PM
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Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.

Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.


well here are the thoughts of fans on the rolling stones forum

https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2532684,page=7


Yeah. Try a FM tour at this point without Rhiannon, Sara and Landslide. See how sales go.

 

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  posted on 4/17/2018 at 04:01 PM
FYI - This Neil Finn guy's a pretty good guitar player himself. He's a great vocalist and songwriter. I've never been a gigantic Fleetwood Mac fan, but I'll be interested in hearing whatever comes out of this.

 

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  posted on 4/17/2018 at 05:15 PM
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Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.

Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.


well here are the thoughts of fans on the rolling stones forum

https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2532684,page=7


Yeah. Try a FM tour at this point without Rhiannon, Sara and Landslide. See how sales go.


However, if FM was to do a tour which, instead of concentrating on that era, concentrated instead on the Boston Tea Party era w/Peter Green, Danny Kirwan etc -- IMO a lot of people would be interested in that
Nick Mason is doing the same thing w/Pink Floyd, putting together a band, Saucerful of Secrets, that is playing the music of the Syd era

 

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  posted on 4/17/2018 at 08:37 PM
This thread got me jonesing. So I went back and listened to some live Peter Green Mac tonight. No matter how many times I hear it, that band never ceases to blow me away. I think partially because it’s such a quick snapshot in time. But man, they’re awesome.
 

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  posted on 4/17/2018 at 08:47 PM
My goodness. Green used SPACE so well. Bonamassa could use a bit of that. Green let it breath and you can literally feel the tension he builds. Straight outta that B.B. school.
 

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  posted on 4/18/2018 at 06:31 AM
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This thread got me jonesing. So I went back and listened to some live Peter Green Mac tonight. No matter how many times I hear it, that band never ceases to blow me away. I think partially because it’s such a quick snapshot in time. But man, they’re awesome.


Agree!

Green really had it going on. Monster player. It does not get to much better than the Boston Tea Party recordings.

This is a fun one!!

Twist and Shout
https://youtu.be/77SBudKCqMM

On we Jam
https://youtu.be/SUuBcISWO24?list=RDSUuBcISWO24

Fleetwood Mac Encore Jam
https://youtu.be/iIKg6c_VqVk


I was wanted to hear Derek do a cover of the song below. Seems to fit him.

Peter Green solo
Give me Back My Freedom

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