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Author: Subject: Lindsey Buckingham Leaves Fleetwood Mac, Mike Campbell Joins

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  posted on 4/13/2018 at 01:38 PM
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You're funny. We have hashed it all out before - go back and find it.

Cocaine produced Rumours. I don't take away from his input on songs and never have. Very different than producing.

After Rumours, it all moves to Lindsey's place and so begins the decline. Rambling all that you want won't change that.

He makes albums to make albums? LOL - comical. He thought he would be massive and failed. He needs peoples' material to write with.

But you can love him all day long and I fully respect that. I've met him and he was a good guy. Just not the guru is proclaims himself to be. Without the others - no success at all.

I know the history well and all of their cocaine fuelled memories. The Decline started with his home studio and Tusk. I need no forum to tell me that - I worked trying to sell a warehouse full of them.


I'm not even being funny. I literally copied and pasted things just now from the steve Hoffman forum. a forum that has people who have actually worked at the label or with the band making these remarks. they know how things work and who is to blame.

again though, why does Buckingham keep creating new albums if he's not making music for the love of music. that's entirely 100% what has caused the latest drama in the band. he wants to keep creating new FM music and stop being an oldies act and nicks no longer wanted to. I'm sure he knows he has never even had a gold selling solo album yet he is about to release his 4th solo album since 2006. he has albums out in 2006, 2008, 2011, 2017 with mcvie and he will release one in 2018. are you saying he is stupid and thinks all the sudden he will be a multi million selling artist by himself?


meanwhile nicks stopped caring about creating new music after 2010's in your dreams became her first solo album that failed to go at least gold. every interview after that shes stated no one buys albums, they are a waste of time and energy. shes done 1 album since then of all older unreleased tunes that she said deserved to be heard but were left off albums for various reasons.


so lets compare. 1 artist wants to keep creating new material. has help create 6 albums of new material since 2003. 1 artist has their first failed solo album and refuses to write new music since then and has only released 3 albums of new material since 2001. who is doing it for the art and who is doing it for the money?


you never even replied as to why behind the mask, with nicks and no Buckingham, is the worst selling nicks era FM release? even the album from 2003 say you will has sold more than behind the mask.

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  posted on 4/13/2018 at 01:56 PM
as stated it was all over once Lindsey took control.

nicks era FM certified USA sales

1975 self titled 5 million
1977 rumours 20 million
1979 tusk 2 million
1982 mirage 2 million
1987 tango in the night 3 million

exit Buckingham nicks still in the band
1990 behind the mask 1/2 a million

so other than rumours the bands sales seems to be pretty level. sorry they did were not able to maintain the level of one of the highest selling albums ever. if that's the case lets look at other huge failures and someone can explain what these artists did to drop off a cliff

1984 born in the usa 15 million
1987 tunnel of love 3 million

1980 back in black 22 million
1981 for those about to rock 4 million

1984 purple rain 12 million
1985 around the world in a day 2 million

1987 hysteria 12 million
1992 adrenalize 3 million




while i'll be darn. its almost like the same thing happened to every artist with a huge selling album. Fleetwood mac was able to maintain pretty much 3 million in sales their entire initial run. prince, springsteen, def leppard, ac/dc and many more fell off even further with the albums released after the ones I posted

 

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Not to get into the middle of this but matt, with all due respect, do you really think Springsteen, AC/DC and Prince's follow ups to (I would think anyway) their biggest commercial successes were "huge failures"? All three of the ones you mention are iconic. At least to me anyway.

And I know a lot about the making of Tunnel of Love. There's more behind that album than you probably know. Listen to the lyrics. Doesn't take a genius to understand why he wrote that.

Pretty sure Bruce didn't really care how many of those he sold for a few reasons. Doesn't mean he put out a clunker.

And how could any of the three follow up with what they did beforehand? Doesn't make them bad IMO.

 

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Not to get into the middle of this but matt, with all due respect, do you really think Springsteen, AC/DC and Prince's follow ups to (I would think anyway) their biggest commercial successes were "huge failures"? All three of the ones you mention are iconic. At least to me anyway.

And I know a lot about the making of Tunnel of Love. There's more behind that album than you probably know. Listen to the lyrics. Doesn't take a genius to understand why he wrote that.

Pretty sure Bruce didn't really care how many of those he sold for a few reasons. Doesn't mean he put out a clunker.

And how could any of the three follow up with what they did beforehand? Doesn't make them bad IMO.



well tusk selling over 2 million in the usa is a failure according to canadianmule because the album before it sold 20 million and you helped prove my point. no one can live up to the sales of what they did with the previous release.

Fleetwood in his book says tusk is his favorite studio album by that version of the band. a lot of fans blame Buckingham for the sales drop but of course there were the following factors too
- RKO radio chained played the entire thing before it was released

-the label was charging $2.00 more than a normal double LP cost at the time

-Buckingham purposely was trying to not make an album that sounded like rumours

-Fleetwood was the one who wanted a double album and since nicks was holding back material for her first solo album Buckingham had to contribute enough material to fill out the double album . mcvie contributed 6, nicks 5 and Buckingham 9. Fleetwood has also said when Buckingham talked about doing a solo album he asked Buckingham to just throw the songs on tusk.

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  posted on 4/13/2018 at 04:22 PM
You guys know a lot more about Fleetwood Mac than I do.

My experiences seeing any of them live are not good. Three years ago Stevie Nicks came to Chicago and I was offered a ticket. So I went. She was doing that black dress witch thing. Played her hits which was fine but kind of boring.

Shawn Colvin opened for her and she was amazingly good!

My other one was in probably 1992 or 1993, something like that. I saw Fleetwood Mac at an amphitheater outside of Detroit. They were part of one of those tours where they package two or three classic rock bands.

Fleetwood Mac was the first one and consisted of Mick Fleetwood, Dave Mason and a bunch of people I had never heard of. They played "Dear Mister Fantasy" and even as young as I was I thought it was awful.

Kind of thought it disrespected their name.

 

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  posted on 4/13/2018 at 08:45 PM
You give me giggles. As soon as I saw the title of the thread - knew where this was going. LOL

You are right!!! Please Stop!!!

Lindsey Is A God - Has The Biggest Dick In The World - And No Man Will Ever Compare

Well except for

Pre Take Over

1975 self titled 5 million
1977 rumours 20 million

Post Take Over

1979 tusk 2 million
1982 mirage 2 million
1987 tango in the night 3 million

Score 25 Million to 7 Million - you posted it and yet can't grasp it.

Now before becoming WikiMatt05 and losing your sh8t - think about what I said. Success after he took over declined. Now stop - look at those numbers before telling me I am wrong again. Score 25 to 7. No matter how you spin it, copy and paste sh*t or want it to be true - it never will be. Lindsey's reign of total control was not a success.

25 to 7 - Exactly what I said. Decline. 25 to 7 - That is why I am correct with my statement. Why you are arguing that is beyond me? Your Big Love is making you blind to my statement I guess.

He long ago stopped hoping for a successful solo career obviously. He isn't stupid. That is until his album with McVie which he thought would sell as if it was Fleetwood Mac. It was a power move and failed. Thought he didn't need Stevie to have success and found out that he indeed does and always did. That fact really pisses him off and always has.

Matt buy his albums and love him. I fully support you and your right. If you believe that the switch to Lindsey's basement was a good one for the band and people write it on a forum (like this one) then for f*cks sake it must be true. Damn history and the obvious sales numbers and multiple breakups. No reason to let any sort of reality get in the way.

God Bless Buckingham - He Is A Talented Guy - Can't Wait Until 2019 when Fleetwood Mac reunite again with that lineup. Gives him 6 months to a year to make an album that only you will hear. LOL - Thanks Matt needed a laugh. Did you ever drive a school bus?


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  posted on 4/13/2018 at 09:13 PM
Those were not the sales numbers in 1980. Rumours had sold about 11 million worldwide in 1980 when tusk sold about 4. Its not some huge drop off.


A power play by buckingham? You must be smoking crack. They created a Fleetwood Mac album and when nicks refused to contribute they had to release it as buckingham mcvie. Sounds like a nicks power play. She also just forced him out of the band. Do you wash stevies cars or something? Shes been power playing the band for decades and forcing her will on everyone. Its clearshe picked mike to join.


Things you never comment on.

her lack of new material since 2010. Really since 2001.

The failure of behind the mask while nicks was still in the band.

The hit songs she wrote by herself since 1985.


Also you always fail to mention her 2 biggest hits from her first solo album are duets with 2 of the biggest stars in rock around that time. Maybe if buckingham did duets he would have had more fortune solo



again. I'll stand by statements made by 2 former label reps and someone who has helped with the bands tours in recent years over your statements


 

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  posted on 4/13/2018 at 10:31 PM
LOL - You keep trying to have some drawn out debate about nothing.

11- 4/25 - 7/100 - 17/ Billion to Million - same result every time. Decline. What genius is it that you claim says otherwise? LOL

No one wants new material from any of them Matt. But without Nicks, there is definitely no sales.

I do wash her car.

Matt, she sold more solo albums in a month than Buckingham has in his entire career - what genius tells you otherwise on that? LOL

Your parents deserve all the credit in the world as you could not have been easy.

"This Is WikiMatt05 on the scene. Determined to get answers 35 years in the waiting. Stevie Nicks - why the failure on an album? - why no material? - why did she sell so much more solo? - Was Her Coke Better? - These answers and more after these messages."

Why did she sell more? Ummm people liked the albums more and the material was far superior. Absolute killer session band behind her. Better voice. Better Coke Supplier. Looked better. Star Quality that no one else in the band possessed.

Maybe Buckingham should have done a duet - But a better idea would have been to avoid that terrible 80s New Wave mullet. Rock fans dropped him like a stone based on hairdo alone.

Her lack of albums since 2010? 2 albums - In Your Dreams and 24 Carat Gold. Both of them charted in the Top 10 upon release. Guess your "experts" failed to mention that? LOL - How many Buckingham albums hit the Top 10? Top 20? Top 30? LOL

 

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  posted on 4/14/2018 at 12:48 AM
For what it's worth (and if you are counting, nothing at all) I think Fleetwood Mac were a huge failure after "Then Play On".


 

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  posted on 4/14/2018 at 05:12 AM
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For what it's worth (and if you are counting, nothing at all) I think Fleetwood Mac were a huge failure after "Then Play On".





 

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  posted on 4/14/2018 at 05:50 AM
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LOL - You keep trying to have some drawn out debate about nothing.

11- 4/25 - 7/100 - 17/ Billion to Million - same result every time. Decline. What genius is it that you claim says otherwise? LOL

No one wants new material from any of them Matt. But without Nicks, there is definitely no sales.

I do wash her car.

Matt, she sold more solo albums in a month than Buckingham has in his entire career - what genius tells you otherwise on that? LOL

Your parents deserve all the credit in the world as you could not have been easy.

"This Is WikiMatt05 on the scene. Determined to get answers 35 years in the waiting. Stevie Nicks - why the failure on an album? - why no material? - why did she sell so much more solo? - Was Her Coke Better? - These answers and more after these messages."

Why did she sell more? Ummm people liked the albums more and the material was far superior. Absolute killer session band behind her. Better voice. Better Coke Supplier. Looked better. Star Quality that no one else in the band possessed.

Maybe Buckingham should have done a duet - But a better idea would have been to avoid that terrible 80s New Wave mullet. Rock fans dropped him like a stone based on hairdo alone.

Her lack of albums since 2010? 2 albums - In Your Dreams and 24 Carat Gold. Both of them charted in the Top 10 upon release. Guess your "experts" failed to mention that? LOL - How many Buckingham albums hit the Top 10? Top 20? Top 30? LOL






shows you don't read. My statement doesn't say lack of albums. It says lack of new material since 2010. First it shows I counted inyyour dreams as that was 2010. I said since then. Second it says new material and 24 carat gold is not new material. Its old material that didn't make previous solo albums and its stated so by nicks. So yes she hasn't released a newly written song in almost a decade now.
Btw most of tusk was not recorded in Buckinghams house and the little bit that was has very little of the rest of the band on it. Not sure why you keep saying it was recorded there and not at studio d in the village recorder studio

 

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  posted on 4/14/2018 at 08:08 AM
Damn! I don't know what Stevie Nicks did to you but you should write a song about it.

The only time that Buckingham wrote a song that anyone cared liked - it was about her too.



It's the weekend, Matt. We can discuss how Buckingham took them to new heights after Rumours on Monday.

Don't worry - they will announce a Reunion in a few months anyway.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2018 at 08:36 AM
I'm actually a huge fan of nicks. I've seen her live solo but have never seen Buckingham solo or Fleetwood mac at all. they were on my bucket list but not now with Buckingham. him and Fleetwood were the reason I'd want to go as like I said I have seen nicks already.

I feel nicks though, and imo her demo's prove this, is someone who needs great producers, arrangers, etc to get the vision she has for her songs. then her blind fans, not saying you are one of those, heap praise and credit on her partly for the work others did to get the song the way it is in the released version.


that is why I feel behind the mask failed. people expected the Fleetwood mac sound and didn't hear what they thought it was going to sound like. its because Buckingham creates that sound. his solo albums have that sound. nicks solo albums don't. it appears the casual nicks fans can accept or they want her to sound different solo but the FM fans have a mindset of what they want FM album to sound like.

Buckingham for the most part is just too strange for most music fans to want to hear an entire album like that without a more accessible song by mcvie or nicks breaking it up every now and again.

Buckingham has shown he can generate a hit. all of these songs are top 40 American hits and 4 of these are top 10 hits , go your own way, tusk, oh Diane (in the uk), big love, trouble , go insane and a few songs that weren't hits that are now standards for him like Monday morning, second hand news , I'm so afraid and holiday road. it seems though people enjoy his songs but not an entire albums worth of songs like that.

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  posted on 4/14/2018 at 09:39 AM
for those who want an actual facts only timeline break down of FM activity since 2000

-2001 nicks finishes and releases the long awaited album trouble in Shangri-La that was started in the mid 90s. 3 of the tracks were songs demo's in the 70's and 3 other songs have no nicks writing credit at all. another song has a co-writing nicks credit only for lyrics she changed. that leaves 6 new nicks originals. Buckingham appears on 1 song

-2001 Buckingham turns in his album gift of screws started in the mid 90's. reprise records wanted a new FM album and informed Buckingham that he should hold some of the material for a new FM album

-2003 FM releases say you will. the album features 9 songs by nicks and 9 by Buckingham. 7 of the Buckingham songs were originally meant for the gift of screws release.

-2006 Buckingham releases under the skin. the album includes 3 songs from the aborted gift of screws album turned in to the label in 2001. its his first album since 1992

-2008 buckingham finally releases an album titled gift of screws. it features 2 songs from the aborted gift of screws

-2011 nicks releases in your dreams. the first material shes released since 2003. Buckingham appears on 1 song

-2011 Buckingham releases seeds we sow. its his first album not released on the same label that FM is signed to.

-2013 FM release a digital only EP. the EP was originally planned as a new FM album. nicks stated she was unable to commit to a new album due to solo commitments. the EP features 3 new Buckingham tracks and 1 nicks track that is an old demo from 70's.

-2014 nicks releases a collection of solo songs that didn't make previous solo albums titled 24 karat gold

-2017 a Buckingham/mcvie album is released. the album was originally started in 2014 as the next FM album. after waiting for contributions from nicks she eventually informed the band that she would not contribute to the album. 1 song is a re-recorded digital only bonus track from buckinghams seeds we sow album. 3 more tracks are leftover from the aborted 2012 FM album attempt.

-2018 Buckingham is no longer in the band. in 2017 he announced he had an already completed solo album that was delayed to finish and release the Buckingham/mcvie release. he also stated that his label was working on a best of collection that would feature his singles, some soundtrack only tunes and maybe some unreleased stuff.




 

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  posted on 4/14/2018 at 09:44 AM
despite canadianmule blaming Buckingham. here is a link to mick Fleetwood blaming nicks for the groups recent hold ups for tours and albums

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/fleetwood-mac-stevie-nicks-new-album/


Christine mcvie also stating nicks was the hold up and also mentions nicks as part of a reason the mirage tour was so short

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/christine-mcvie-on-making-fleet wood-macs-mirage-new-lp-w441626


 

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  posted on 4/14/2018 at 10:36 AM
Matt
You always get in debates/arguments here and mostly because you fail to actually read what anyone says. I have seen time and again, every time you get going. You have been debating all sorts of stuff here that I haven't even touched. LOL

I had TWO points.

The Decline - it is obvious.

The Delays in Recording following Rumours and how Lindsey will sit in a studio for two years and get the same results that two months would have accomplished. That is where I blamed Lindsey and it is all documented and admitted by him.

Any other points by me - You are creating.

Those are the two and I am right with both. Sorry.

Did Nicks have a more successful solo career and that may not have worked with the time frame sometimes? Definitely. I never stated otherwise anywhere. But don't let that stop your ranting.

Were the others pissed that her solo career was successful while some of theirs' bombed? Definitely.

Were they all coked out of their minds and blew millions? Yes. Did she have more money and could afford to do more coke and spend even more than the others? Definitely. Did they all want her to work sometimes because they were poor and wanted more coke and more millions to blow? Definitely.

All this crap is in countless books, magazines and spread over the net.

After all the years of you having this same debate with so many members, I will admit to getting a good laugh when you say that you never saw the band or Lindsey.

Damn Lindsey - Go play at the guy's house.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2018 at 10:51 AM
unless you have info I don't no one is currently doing coke and these are comments about recent issues. Buckingham is listed as being worth over 40 million dollars and stevie nicks over 70 million. I don't know micks current worth but I don't see at their age the 30 million difference being what has caused some huge rift between stevie and lindsey. this entire thing smells of the bands management mixed with stevie forcing her hand and making the band pick between her and lindsey.

as far as tusk. sure lindsey is a perfectionist and delayed the album. mick Fleetwood also says without lindsey there might not have been an album at all and says that for mirage and tango in the night as well. if what mick says its true then the choices were either no more albums or wait for Buckingham to help create the albums. that's 1 album though that took a really long time. several albums have been delayed by nicks just not even trying or in the case of tango in the night waiting for her to finish rehab



btw you never commented on the huge sales drops by other artists. don't know why you won't by FM maintained a higher sales level for the albums after tusk then springsteen did for the albums after tunnel of love or ac/dc did for the albums after for those about to rock or prince did pretty much for the rest of his career after purple rain

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  posted on 4/14/2018 at 11:05 AM
Guys, all this anger coming your way makes me feel like crying. My worried dream is that although the sun is shining that you should probably close your eyes and give up on this merry go round of an argument because the world keeps turning. It's probably best that you just said "Oh Well" and moved on with it because this albatross you guys are carrying will have you trying so hard to forget what your point was in the first place.

I believe my time ain't long if I keep writing this on this cold black night. I've got a mind to give up living because once I dust my broom I'll have no place to go so I won't be coming home. You got to move, so get on your long grey mare and get an appointment with Doctor Brown and maybe his talk with you will get you guys to stop messin' around.

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  posted on 4/14/2018 at 11:14 AM
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Guys, all this anger coming your way makes me feel like crying. My worried dream is that although the sun is shining that you should probably close your eyes and give up on this merry go round of an argument because the world keeps turning. It's probably best that you just said "Oh Well" and moved on with it because this albatross you guys are carrying will have you trying so hard to forget what your point was in the first place.

I believe my time ain't long if I keep writing this on this cold black night. I've got a mind to give up living because once I dust my broom I'll have no place to go so I won't be coming home. You got to move, so get on your long grey mare and get an appointment with Doctor Brown and maybe his talk with you will get you guys to stop messin' around.

Watch out!

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no anger here. just someone telling me what is or isn't successful doesn't make me think its artistically better or worse. mick jaggers solo albums are more successful than keiths but not even close to being better

 

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  posted on 4/14/2018 at 11:24 AM
They could have thought more “outside the box” rather than a safe choice like Campbell.

My pick? Tony Iommi. This could have been the Black Mac tour that I have yearned for.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2018 at 12:38 PM
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They could have thought more “outside the box” rather than a safe choice like Campbell.

My pick? Tony Iommi. This could have been the Black Mac tour that I have yearned for.


honestly I would have wanted peter frampton but Campbell has a big connection to nicks

 

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  posted on 4/14/2018 at 04:57 PM
Slash or gtfo.
The way Slash would fold the coda lick from “November Rain” into the coda lick for “The Chain” would heal Stevie’s septum.

 

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  posted on 4/15/2018 at 10:23 AM
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Guys, all this anger coming your way makes me feel like crying. My worried dream is that although the sun is shining that you should probably close your eyes and give up on this merry go round of an argument because the world keeps turning. It's probably best that you just said "Oh Well" and moved on with it because this albatross you guys are carrying will have you trying so hard to forget what your point was in the first place.

I believe my time ain't long if I keep writing this on this cold black night. I've got a mind to give up living because once I dust my broom I'll have no place to go so I won't be coming home. You got to move, so get on your long grey mare and get an appointment with Doctor Brown and maybe his talk with you will get you guys to stop messin' around.

Watch out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RhZDGLEXM


Winner! Post Of The Thread. LOL - I think it went right by Matt.

Well thought out and done. Feel bad that you made such an effort on such a weak topic but Well Done.

 

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  posted on 4/15/2018 at 10:25 AM
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They could have thought more “outside the box” rather than a safe choice like Campbell.

My pick? Tony Iommi. This could have been the Black Mac tour that I have yearned for.


Buckethead - That way Stevie could just grab a piece of chicken when she needs a snack on stage.

Black Mac!!! You guys are too funny. We need video of Stevie singing Iron Man now.

 

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  posted on 4/15/2018 at 11:08 AM
Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.

Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.

 

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