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  posted on 3/3/2018 at 04:45 PM
The Democrats wanted amnesty for the illegal aliens.

The Democrat failed yet again.

 

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  posted on 3/3/2018 at 09:43 PM
Obama didn't have that problem. He got Obamacare passed, and Trump can't get this passed. He should learn from Obama.
 

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  posted on 3/4/2018 at 09:18 AM
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Obama didn't have that problem. He got Obamacare passed, and Trump can't get this passed. He should learn from Obama.


Second time you have said that and I'm responding for a second time. I don't know what point you are trying to make. Obama got party line votes to reach 60 on ACA, all Democrats (counting Sanders and Lieberman). Republicans only have 52 Senate seats if they all go party line. It takes 60 to invoke cloture. There is nothing that Republicans or Trump could've learned from Obama's ACA vote, the votes and seats are different. It is apples and oranges. What is your point?

 

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Obama didn't have that problem. He got Obamacare passed, and Trump can't get this passed. He should learn from Obama.


Second time you have said that and I'm responding for a second time. I don't know what point you are trying to make. Obama got party line votes to reach 60 on ACA, all Democrats (counting Sanders and Lieberman). Republicans only have 52 Senate seats if they all go party line. It takes 60 to invoke cloture. There is nothing that Republicans or Trump could've learned from Obama's ACA vote, the votes and seats are different. It is apples and oranges. What is your point?


Don't want to speak for anyone else, but maybe a point could be something like...let's see...the guy who has proclaimed himself as the greatest dealmaker in the history of the human race should be able to find 8 votes.

No? Or is that too negative and unfair of a question?

 

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  posted on 3/4/2018 at 12:48 PM
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What is your point?


That Obama is way better leader, and passing Obamacare was an incredibly impressive feat, and that Trump doesn't have his skills to achieve something of this magnitude, and wishes so badly that he does, hence the obsessive schoolyard crush tweets about him.

You can break it down any which way you want. The bottom line is that Obama figured out a way to get a "horrible, country-destroying, hated, corrupt, illegal, unsustainable, destructive" bill passed......pretty impressive, and makes Trump look really really pathetic in comparison.

 

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  posted on 3/4/2018 at 03:28 PM
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The Democrats wanted amnesty for the illegal aliens.

The Democrat failed yet again.


Seems to me Democrats called Trump's bluff and won. Dreamers stay and no wall funded. How easy was that?


It was and is the Democrats demanding amnesty for the illegal aliens and that will not happen.
Obama's DACA fiasco end on March 5th and the illegal aliens go on the list to be deported.

President Trump met and exceeded what the Democrats wanted and the Democrats sill killed the bills. The Democrats do not want the issue solved. They want it as a political issue which of course did not work for them in 2016.

President Trump wins.


 

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Don't want to speak for anyone else, but maybe a point could be something like...let's see...the guy who has proclaimed himself as the greatest dealmaker in the history of the human race should be able to find 8 votes.

No? Or is that too negative and unfair of a question?


Trump's leadership on this immigration issue and what he actually wants and supports has been awful and I've said as much. Deal making has been nonexistent, not just actual deal making but the understanding of what is required to strike a legislative deal. You've heard nothing different from me on that.

I'm taking exception that somehow Trump or the Republicans could've learned something from how ACA went, which I see absolutely no comparison between anything related to that. Think Obama would've gotten votes from the other side if he had to for ACA passage? It's easy to be a "leader" when you own a super majority and don't have to work with the other side. So was Obama a great leader when the Senate had a filibuster proof majority and then was he a poor leader when the Democrats lost that majority? It is a silly argument.

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That Obama is way better leader, and passing Obamacare was an incredibly impressive feat, and that Trump doesn't have his skills to achieve something of this magnitude, and wishes so badly that he does, hence the obsessive schoolyard crush tweets about him.

You can break it down any which way you want. The bottom line is that Obama figured out a way to get a "horrible, country-destroying, hated, corrupt, illegal, unsustainable, destructive" bill passed......pretty impressive, and makes Trump look really really pathetic in comparison.


I am going to have to admit that we are just not going to see eye-to-eye on this. Figuring out a way to get everyone in your own party to support something for passage is one thing. Figuring out a way to get people outside your party to support something for passage is different. It's like, so I should be proclaiming that the tax cut plan was some significant leadership from Trump? I'm not saying that because any run-of-the-mill Republican who was in the White House could've done that with this Congress. Sorry, I don't think getting something passed along party line displays leadership - quite the contrary in fact.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2018 at 01:04 PM
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Don't want to speak for anyone else, but maybe a point could be something like...let's see...the guy who has proclaimed himself as the greatest dealmaker in the history of the human race should be able to find 8 votes.

No? Or is that too negative and unfair of a question?


Trump's leadership on this immigration issue and what he actually wants and supports has been awful and I've said as much. Deal making has been nonexistent, not just actual deal making but the understanding of what is required to strike a legislative deal. You've heard nothing different from me on that.

I'm taking exception that somehow Trump or the Republicans could've learned something from how ACA went, which I see absolutely no comparison between anything related to that. Think Obama would've gotten votes from the other side if he had to for ACA passage? It's easy to be a "leader" when you own a super majority and don't have to work with the other side. So was Obama a great leader when the Senate had a filibuster proof majority and then was he a poor leader when the Democrats lost that majority? It is a silly argument.

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That Obama is way better leader, and passing Obamacare was an incredibly impressive feat, and that Trump doesn't have his skills to achieve something of this magnitude, and wishes so badly that he does, hence the obsessive schoolyard crush tweets about him.

You can break it down any which way you want. The bottom line is that Obama figured out a way to get a "horrible, country-destroying, hated, corrupt, illegal, unsustainable, destructive" bill passed......pretty impressive, and makes Trump look really really pathetic in comparison.


I am going to have to admit that we are just not going to see eye-to-eye on this. Figuring out a way to get everyone in your own party to support something for passage is one thing. Figuring out a way to get people outside your party to support something for passage is different. It's like, so I should be proclaiming that the tax cut plan was some significant leadership from Trump? I'm not saying that because any run-of-the-mill Republican who was in the White House could've done that with this Congress. Sorry, I don't think getting something passed along party line displays leadership - quite the contrary in fact.


I agree with you. But when you can't get anything through congress, and your own party controls both houses, that certainly shows a lack of leadership. I find it amazing that it took Trump as long as it did for him to get a major piece of legislation through congress, not that I'm complaining.

 

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  posted on 3/6/2018 at 09:23 AM
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Don't want to speak for anyone else, but maybe a point could be something like...let's see...the guy who has proclaimed himself as the greatest dealmaker in the history of the human race should be able to find 8 votes.

No? Or is that too negative and unfair of a question?


Trump's leadership on this immigration issue and what he actually wants and supports has been awful and I've said as much. Deal making has been nonexistent, not just actual deal making but the understanding of what is required to strike a legislative deal. You've heard nothing different from me on that.

I'm taking exception that somehow Trump or the Republicans could've learned something from how ACA went, which I see absolutely no comparison between anything related to that. Think Obama would've gotten votes from the other side if he had to for ACA passage? It's easy to be a "leader" when you own a super majority and don't have to work with the other side. So was Obama a great leader when the Senate had a filibuster proof majority and then was he a poor leader when the Democrats lost that majority? It is a silly argument.

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That Obama is way better leader, and passing Obamacare was an incredibly impressive feat, and that Trump doesn't have his skills to achieve something of this magnitude, and wishes so badly that he does, hence the obsessive schoolyard crush tweets about him.

You can break it down any which way you want. The bottom line is that Obama figured out a way to get a "horrible, country-destroying, hated, corrupt, illegal, unsustainable, destructive" bill passed......pretty impressive, and makes Trump look really really pathetic in comparison.


I am going to have to admit that we are just not going to see eye-to-eye on this. Figuring out a way to get everyone in your own party to support something for passage is one thing. Figuring out a way to get people outside your party to support something for passage is different. It's like, so I should be proclaiming that the tax cut plan was some significant leadership from Trump? I'm not saying that because any run-of-the-mill Republican who was in the White House could've done that with this Congress. Sorry, I don't think getting something passed along party line displays leadership - quite the contrary in fact.


I agree with you. But when you can't get anything through congress, and your own party controls both houses, that certainly shows a lack of leadership. I find it amazing that it took Trump as long as it did for him to get a major piece of legislation through congress, not that I'm complaining.



Apparently you are unaware of the Tax Cut and Jobs Act.

The DACA fix died because the Democrats did not want it to pass. They only want the political issue.



 

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  posted on 3/6/2018 at 10:01 AM
I think both sides did make honest attempts at coming up with a DACA bill, but the related details of the specific bills is what ultimately killed it.

If DHS was able to create DACA, then DHS can surely discontinue it. Like many things, the Trump administration has not taken the proper route or argument in doing so and allowed Napolitano to sue and Judge Alsup to rule in her favor on technical grounds. Trump administration claimed it wasn't lawful, it was lawful. Whether or not it should have been created or exist isn't something for a court to decide. If the Obama administration wanted it, they had authority to create it within DHS policy. It must also be true that if the Trump administration doesn't want it, it is also within their authority to rescind the actions taken by DHS. Napolitano is protecting something she created and believes in, and is in her right to do so as President of the University of Cal, although her primary goal is to draw out and extend the process because in the end I believe Judge Alsup's ruling will not stand. It's just a long process to overturn his wrong decision.

 

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  posted on 3/6/2018 at 02:00 PM
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Apparently you are unaware of the Tax Cut and Jobs Act.






Of course we are - but the republicants only needed 50 votes instead of 60 for that.... surprised you didn't point that out....

 

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Apparently you are unaware of the Tax Cut and Jobs Act.






Of course we are - but the republicants only needed 50 votes instead of 60 for that.... surprised you didn't point that out....



No need to point out what informed people already knew.
Harry Reid changed those rules in the Senate.

Those senate rules do not apply to an immigration bill.

Take a basic civics course junior.


 

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  posted on 3/7/2018 at 12:13 PM
National Digest: Federal judge in Md. sides with Trump in ending DACA

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Federal judge approves ending DACA

A federal judge in Maryland has affirmed the Trump administration’s authority to end an Obama-era program that protected from deportation people brought to the country as children.

U.S. District Judge Roger W. Titus, who was appointed to the federal bench in Maryland by President George W. Bush, issued the ruling Monday in a case brought by the advocacy organization CASA de Maryland.

President Trump cited the decision in a message Tuesday morning on Twitter.

“Federal Judge in Maryland has just ruled that ‘President Trump has the right to end DACA,’&#8201;”

Trump wrote in an 8:46 a.m. tweet.

Titus’s decision affirmed that Trump’s administration had the authority to wind down the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. The judge, however, criticized Trump for his “unfortunate and often inflammatory rhetoric” and noted that, were he not a judge constrained to interpreting the law, he would opt for a different result.

The Trump administration had hoped to end DACA on March 5, though federal district judges in California and New York had issued nationwide injunctions stopping it from doing so — making the date effectively meaningless. Late last month, the Supreme Court turned down a request to get involved in the dispute at this time. Titus’s ruling does not disturb the earlier injunctions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/national-digest-federal-judge-in-md -sides-with-trump-in-ending-daca/2018/03/06/7d59ec14-1916-11e8-b681-2d4d462 a1921_story.html?utm_term=.969f0cc86c38


 

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So, Trump owns it. So what has he done to help the Dreamers that he cares about so much?
 

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So, Trump owns it. So what has he done to help the Dreamers that he cares about so much?



President Trump has put on the table a package that more than doubles what the Democrats shut down the gov't for as well as the measures to stop the problems from happening again.

it is up to the Democrats to work for their country instead of whoring for votes.

 

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Trump hasn't put in writing what he wants Congress to do yet .... especially not in this case, but with everything he does ... republican senators I saw on the news said they keep waiting for him to put something in writing, not just say what is on the top of his head - and then change it the next day after he meets with someone else.

Yep, he's a real leader.... lol ... people are just jumping at the chance to work for him...

[Edited on 3/8/2018 by Sang]

 

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Trump hasn't put in writing what he wants Congress to do yet .... especially not in this case, but with everything he does ... republican senators I saw on the news said they keep waiting for him to put something in writing, not just say what is on the top of his head - and then change it the next day after he meets with someone else.

Yep, he's a real leader.... lol ... people are just jumping at the chance to work for him...

[Edited on 3/8/2018 by Sang]



President Trump Was very clear in stating the exact measures to solve the illegal immigration issue and his plan was read into the Congressional Record.

You are as stupid as keller and his ilk and not capable of accessing public records.

The Democrats intentionally screwed this up and as the mid-terms are approaching are no long even talking about it.



 

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The Democrats intentionally screwed this up and as the mid-terms are approaching are no long even talking about it.


True, because it’s been overshadowed by his affair with a porn star. Can you believe he would be so foolish? You know who never had an affair like a good Christian? Obama.

 

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Dreamers to Democrats: We're tired of your lies
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The illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. as children – known as Dreamers – say that they have been failed by Democrats who are more interested in blaming President Trump and Republicans than delivering a congressional measure that would protect the young people from deportation as they await a path to legal residency.

Dreamers are done giving Dems a pass.

“They don’t walk their talk,” said Cata Santiago, a 20-year-old Dreamer who was brought to the U.S. from Mexico when she was just 8 years old. “We’re tired of it. We’re tired of believing them when they say ‘It’s the Republicans.’ They make promises when they’re in an election, and when it’s over they’re done and don’t do anything.”

“I’ve decided to put my faith in my community [of Dreamers] and not in the Democrats,” Santiago told Fox News.

We're tired of believing [Democrats] when they say 'It's the Republicans.' They make promises when they're in an election, and when it's over they're done and don't do anything.
- Cata Santiago, Dreamer

On Monday, when a program that temporarily shields such immigrants from deportation had been set to end, Dreamers held a sit-in at the national headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in Washington, D.C., to shine a spotlight on what the youths describe as the Democrats’ betrayal of them.

“The Democrats made the calculation to kick the can down the road and allow hundreds of thousands of us undocumented youth to live in uncertainty,” said Maria Duarte, one of the participants, in a statement. “We are anxious and we are scared of being torn away from our homes and our community.”

Many Dreamers say they are urging their supporters to suspend their affiliations with the Democratic Party until they see evidence that members of Congress who have portrayed themselves as working on a solution to their undocumented status are doing more than just making promises and giving reassurances.

Members of the Seed Project, a part of the Movimiento Cosecha (or the Harvest Movement), which advocates for undocumented immigrants, say they are determined “to continue to expose the Democrats’ false promises.”

Many Dreamers say Democratic leaders such as Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York have strung them along on immigration. (AP)

In the short term, many want an extension of the program, a 2012 initiative by President Barack Obama called the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA. But what they most want is a permanent fix – congressional legislation that would give them a way to legalize their status in the only country many of these young people truly consider home.

Last year Trump said he would end the program and gave Congress six months to come up with a permanent fix, but bipartisan bickering has stalled various efforts to come up with a bill.

Some 800,000 immigrants received DACA, which allowed recipients to obtain work permits, driver’s licenses and some government benefits.

Two federal courts ordered the Trump administration to continue accepting DACA renewal applications.

Democrats relinquished the leverage they had for meaningful legislation...[they] aren't fooling anyone.
- Cesar Vargas, immigration activist, civil rights attorney

Many Dreamers have blamed Democrats, particularly Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, for boasting about having plans that will result in legislation to benefit Dreamers, but then letting the ball drop by failing to push assertively for the youths, or by refusing to compromise for the sake of political optics.

“Democrats relinquished the leverage they had for meaningful legislation,” wrote Cesar Vargas, a civil rights attorney who has advocated for immigrant causes, in an opinion piece in the Huffington Post.

Democrats, Vargas said, “aren’t fooling anyone.”

“Democrats have no plan, and once again, Schumer, now the minority leader, is showing that protecting these immigrants…was never his priority,” he said. “The lack of leadership by Democrats, however, is nothing new. In 2009, they controlled the White House and Congress and still failed to bring up immigration reform for a vote.”

The DNC maintains that it is the only party that the Dreamers can count on.

DNC National Press Secretary Michael Tyler said to Fox News: "The Democratic Party is the only party that is standing with and committed to protecting Dreamers. Our Democratic President Barack Obama established DACA to provide relief for Dreamers because Congress failed to act."

"And now, Donald Trump has rescinded DACA to pander to his base all at the expense of Dreamers," Tyler said. "Democrats have put countless proposals on the table, and yet this president and Republican Congress refuse to take action."

Many Dreamers say that their disappointment in Democrats is nothing new, and goes back some 17 years.

In 2010, they say, Congress seemed close to passing a Dream Act when it passed in the House of Representatives, only to have it fail in the Senate after five Democrats voted against the measure.

The frustration directed at Democrats, the critics say, does not mean that they don’t blame Republicans for the Dreamers’ uncertain future.

But it’s the Democrats, they say, who have gone out of their way to depict themselves as their only hope on immigration efforts that will give them a chance to legalize their status. Obama did the same, many note, when he was running his presidential campaigns, only to end up presiding over a record number of deportations. They feel used.

“We’re done speaking to the Democrats behind closed doors and trusting them,” Santiago said, “everything is going to happen out in the open.”

Rev. Gabriel Salguero, president of the National Latino Evangelical Coalition, remembers taking political leaders to his churches around the country in 2010 to build momentum for Dreamer legislation.

“There’s been a lack of political will,” Salguero said to Fox News. “This is beyond partisanship, it’s a leadership issue. These kids trusted the process. We told them ‘If you play by the rules, if you wait, if you come forward, it will happen.’ They did everything that was asked of them. I understand their frustration.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/08/dreamers-to-democrats-were-tired -your-lies.html



 

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I thought you didn’t post links to obvious information?
 

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Glad to see you agree that the Democrats were only using the DACA people for political purposes and then screwed them.

 

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Well, it's pretty obvious all politicians are the same on both aisles....not sure why you can't see that.
 

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Glad to see you agree that the Democrats were only using the DACA people for political purposes and then screwed them.




Yet the Democrats are not the ones who ended DACA - go figure. They also didn't put in a requirement for a multi-billion dollar wall as a condition for "fixing" the problem. So sad that you can't see this..... as the trillion dollar a year deficit keeps building ... but since republicans are in office, it doesn't matter anymore - right?

 

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Glad to see you agree that the Democrats were only using the DACA people for political purposes and then screwed them.



No, you see, DACA was in place until Trump ended it and has turned down every bipartisan deal that came to his desk.

 

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Glad to see you agree that the Democrats were only using the DACA people for political purposes and then screwed them.



No, you see, DACA was in place until Trump ended it and has turned down every bipartisan deal that came to his desk.



DACA was an Obama invention by exec. order because Congress would have never passed such a piece of crap.
President Trump ended it with a six month fix it provision and the Democrats blocked it every time.

DACA is over and a Federal Judge sided with President Trump's decision to kill Obama's bad and politically motivated order.

Try to keep up son.
Even the Democrats are not talking about amnesty for illegal aliens any more.


 
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