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  posted on 2/5/2018 at 08:11 PM
So we send them back and they return again and again thru our porous southern border. Failed immigration policy causes another tragedy. Not only does he cause a serious crash, he flees the scene. Tell me again how they respect the rule of law please?

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2018/02/05/driver-accused-killing -colts-player-edwin-jackson-undocumented-immigrant-has-been-deported-twice/ 306779002/

BTW, nice crew-cab F150 truck for an illegal. Kind of goes against the poor produce- picking picture painted by Pelosi.


 

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How many people were killed by Trump voters in the same period? Is there a hate group that tracks such things, or are these type watchdog groups mostly focused on minorities?

Can't hurt to look at the stats. After all, as they like to remind everyone, they do have all the guns.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2018 at 08:23 PM
How many shootings have occurred in this country while Republicans offer thoughts and prayers? Why don't you ever own up to the failings of your GOP heroes?

You are what is wrong with this country.


 

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  posted on 2/5/2018 at 09:18 PM
That's terrible. Trump needs to get on the phone with Mexico right away and have them send a check for a wall. Time for the great negotiator to get his negotiating with Mexico done!
 

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Crimes involving illegal aliens seem to get alot of attention, by those who want to give them attention, because the argument is that if that person wasn't here in the first place, whatever crime or event wouldn't have happened.

The other side of the coin is that any gun related attack or crime, the argument could be if the gun wasn't legal, easily obtained or didn't exist at all then that crime or event wouldn't have occurred.

The difference is that the gun is just a tool for the criminal to carryout whatever attack or crime they want. The intent and desire of the criminal remains with or without the gun. Utilizing different means, would intent still meet execution of the crime without the gun? Maybe, maybe not.

In absence of the illegal alien being in our country, the person responsible wouldn't be here and therefore it would be impossible for the accident or crime or whatever to occur.




 

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  posted on 2/5/2018 at 09:49 PM
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Crimes involving illegal aliens seem to get alot of attention, by those who want to give them attention, because the argument is that if that person wasn't here in the first place, whatever crime or event wouldn't have happened.

The other side of the coin is that any gun related attack or crime, the argument could be if the gun wasn't legal, easily obtained or didn't exist at all then that crime or event wouldn't have occurred.

The difference is that the gun is just a tool for the criminal to carryout whatever attack or crime they want. The intent and desire of the criminal remains with or without the gun. Utilizing different means, would intent still meet execution of the crime without the gun? Maybe, maybe not.

In absence of the illegal alien being in our country, the person responsible wouldn't be here and therefore it would be impossible for the accident or crime or whatever to occur.






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  posted on 2/5/2018 at 10:19 PM
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Crimes involving illegal aliens seem to get alot of attention, by those who want to give them attention, because the argument is that if that person wasn't here in the first place, whatever crime or event wouldn't have happened.

The other side of the coin is that any gun related attack or crime, the argument could be if the gun wasn't legal, easily obtained or didn't exist at all then that crime or event wouldn't have occurred.

The difference is that the gun is just a tool for the criminal to carryout whatever attack or crime they want. The intent and desire of the criminal remains with or without the gun. Utilizing different means, would intent still meet execution of the crime without the gun? Maybe, maybe not.

In absence of the illegal alien being in our country, the person responsible wouldn't be here and therefore it would be impossible for the accident or crime or whatever to occur.



Yeah, but this guy has already been deported twice. Do you honestly think for a second that a wall would stop him?

 

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Crimes involving illegal aliens seem to get alot of attention, by those who want to give them attention, because the argument is that if that person wasn't here in the first place, whatever crime or event wouldn't have happened.

The other side of the coin is that any gun related attack or crime, the argument could be if the gun wasn't legal, easily obtained or didn't exist at all then that crime or event wouldn't have occurred.

The difference is that the gun is just a tool for the criminal to carryout whatever attack or crime they want. The intent and desire of the criminal remains with or without the gun. Utilizing different means, would intent still meet execution of the crime without the gun? Maybe, maybe not.

In absence of the illegal alien being in our country, the person responsible wouldn't be here and therefore it would be impossible for the accident or crime or whatever to occur.



Yeah, but this guy has already been deported twice. Do you honestly think for a second that a wall would stop him?


Yeah, you're right, we shouldn't try to keep them out. Maybe we should just give illegals driver's licenses instead so they are safer drivers.

 

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Crimes involving illegal aliens seem to get alot of attention, by those who want to give them attention, because the argument is that if that person wasn't here in the first place, whatever crime or event wouldn't have happened.

The other side of the coin is that any gun related attack or crime, the argument could be if the gun wasn't legal, easily obtained or didn't exist at all then that crime or event wouldn't have occurred.

The difference is that the gun is just a tool for the criminal to carryout whatever attack or crime they want. The intent and desire of the criminal remains with or without the gun. Utilizing different means, would intent still meet execution of the crime without the gun? Maybe, maybe not.

In absence of the illegal alien being in our country, the person responsible wouldn't be here and therefore it would be impossible for the accident or crime or whatever to occur.



Yeah, but this guy has already been deported twice. Do you honestly think for a second that a wall would stop him?


Yeah, you're right, we shouldn't try to keep them out. Maybe we should just give illegals driver's licenses instead so they are safer drivers.


That's not what I'm saying at all. But this wasn't a Dreamer and it's not the kind of illegal immigrant that most Democrats are trying to protect. If somebody wants to come here badly enough, they will find away. As much money as the US has spent in keeping drugs from being imported into this country, I don't think we've even slowed it down. The only thing that will keep them out is for their home countries to become safer and offer job opportunities and for the US to no longer offer job opportunities. Come down on employers hiring these illegals hard enough, including jail time, then the demand goes away and there is no incentive to come here. For someone who has traveled all the way across Mexico twice to get to the US, I doubt he won't have trouble finding someplace near the border to buy a ladder.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2018 at 01:54 AM
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Yeah, but this guy has already been deported twice.


Please address this point. Meaning for the third time we know of he has chosen to do and act as he pleases, this time resulting in a loss of life.

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Do you honestly think for a second that a wall would stop him?


Can we apply this same argument in principle to the deranged shooter with an automatic weapon?
"Do you honestly think for a second that more laws will stop him"?

What a dilemma, If you argue for more gun laws as an attempt to limit access; are you not arguing for a wall?

 

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  posted on 2/6/2018 at 03:31 AM
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Yeah, but this guy has already been deported twice.


Please address this point. Meaning for the third time we know of he has chosen to do and act as he pleases, this time resulting in a loss of life.

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Do you honestly think for a second that a wall would stop him?


Can we apply this same argument in principle to the deranged shooter with an automatic weapon?
"Do you honestly think for a second that more laws will stop him"?

What a dilemma, If you argue for more gun laws as an attempt to limit access; are you not arguing for a wall?


Now that depends on the gun law. People obtain illegal guns all the time, but people are also caught doing so. If a new law is passed restricting certain guns or ammo, it would take a while to see any affect, as there is already a ton out there. But as time goes by and people decide they want a restricted gun or more ammo, it gives law enforcement an opportunity to cetch people, especially somebody who they may be particularly worried about that they might be monitoring (a suspected terrorist for example).

Now, a wall at the border is really not going to be much of a barrier. It will stop nobody from trying to cross (ladders are cheap and it would be a matter of days before tunnels under the wall will look like a prairie dog town). Will the border control stop more illegals with a wall? Well, that's debatable. Maybe yes, but since most illegals arrive by plane on a tourist visa and just don't leave, is this really money well spent?

 

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  posted on 2/6/2018 at 09:10 AM
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Crimes involving illegal aliens seem to get alot of attention, by those who want to give them attention, because the argument is that if that person wasn't here in the first place, whatever crime or event wouldn't have happened.

The other side of the coin is that any gun related attack or crime, the argument could be if the gun wasn't legal, easily obtained or didn't exist at all then that crime or event wouldn't have occurred.

The difference is that the gun is just a tool for the criminal to carryout whatever attack or crime they want. The intent and desire of the criminal remains with or without the gun. Utilizing different means, would intent still meet execution of the crime without the gun? Maybe, maybe not.

In absence of the illegal alien being in our country, the person responsible wouldn't be here and therefore it would be impossible for the accident or crime or whatever to occur.






Thank you, Capt. Obvious.


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  posted on 2/6/2018 at 11:36 AM
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That's not what I'm saying at all. But this wasn't a Dreamer and it's not the kind of illegal immigrant that most Democrats are trying to protect. If somebody wants to come here badly enough, they will find away. As much money as the US has spent in keeping drugs from being imported into this country, I don't think we've even slowed it down. The only thing that will keep them out is for their home countries to become safer and offer job opportunities and for the US to no longer offer job opportunities. Come down on employers hiring these illegals hard enough, including jail time, then the demand goes away and there is no incentive to come here. For someone who has traveled all the way across Mexico twice to get to the US, I doubt he won't have trouble finding someplace near the border to buy a ladder.


Where there is a will there is a way.

However, that doesn't mean that the US shouldn't take further steps to make it more difficult on illegal crossings, slow them down, and ideally, make it more likely they get appended at or near the border. Maybe they should electrify the fence, might deter the use of ladders that everyone likes to throw out there. If they build a double layer fence like the secure fence at stated, combined with monitoring assets, once the illegal hits the first layer and tries to scale it, and then they get over it, they now try to scale the second layer, hopefully that buys time for the border security patrol to be alerted to the activity and can dispatch to the area to append and detain. Will they resort to tunnels? Good, that makes it harder on them. Tunnels can be detected with radar and when found must be destroyed. Or if the wall has a funneling effect where more illegals are likely to cross, then resources can focus on those areas. The more hoops illegals have to navigate should play into the goal of appending more.

It does raise one question for me, and I don't know the numbers. But how many illegals who have been deported prior have reentered and been recaptured again? And I wonder what other means of punishment can or should be used for someone who has been caught here illegally before?

Really, this accident is very tragic and unfortunate. To me, however, it doesn't lower my appetite to potentially make a deal for a path to legal status for some number of illegals in this country who have been productive law abiding people while being here. Manuel Orrego-Savala would never have been among those qualifying anyway with multiple deportations. If you get deported and come back illegally again, automatic ineligible for any kind of legal status in a immigration reform law. The law must be coupled with stronger tools for border security and absolutely 100% strict punishment for employers. Mandate the use of e-verify for all employers so they understand and know they must check all employees with the federal background system. At that point we can implement mandatory jail time for employers who hire anyone not cleared by the verify system. Or maybe the fine could be such that it requires the liquidation of the business to pay the fine - essentially putting that company out of business permanently. They will get the message, hiring illegal labor will not be tolerated.

 

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Crimes involving illegal aliens seem to get alot of attention, by those who want to give them attention, because the argument is that if that person wasn't here in the first place, whatever crime or event wouldn't have happened.

The other side of the coin is that any gun related attack or crime, the argument could be if the gun wasn't legal, easily obtained or didn't exist at all then that crime or event wouldn't have occurred.

The difference is that the gun is just a tool for the criminal to carryout whatever attack or crime they want. The intent and desire of the criminal remains with or without the gun. Utilizing different means, would intent still meet execution of the crime without the gun? Maybe, maybe not.

In absence of the illegal alien being in our country, the person responsible wouldn't be here and therefore it would be impossible for the accident or crime or whatever to occur.



Yeah, but this guy has already been deported twice. Do you honestly think for a second that a wall would stop him?


Possibly not, but it would deter some people from coming in. The problem when these crimes happen with someone who is illegal is that we do not immediately deport them, we spend time and taxpayer dollars giving the person free legal counsel. There should be two choices in manslaughter/murder, either kill them outright or deport them, in this case, since he came in a second time and killed someone, he should just be killed. Never mind three strikes your're out.

Amnesty one time, deport them the first time, second time, execute him IF he is caught here killing someone.

Otherwise if you just keep finding someone coming back, deport him as many times as necessary. No courts, no nonsense.



[Edited on 2/6/2018 by gina]

 

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  posted on 2/9/2018 at 10:49 AM
This is not an immigration issue. This is a criminal DUI tragedy, nothing more. Take your smokescreen act and go back to your holes. Illegal immigration will be an issue forever, with or without Trump. If you are this unhinged about it, go seek therapy.
 

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  posted on 2/9/2018 at 01:05 PM
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So we send them back and they return again and again thru our porous southern border. Failed immigration policy causes another tragedy. Not only does he cause a serious crash, he flees the scene. Tell me again how they respect the rule of law please?

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2018/02/05/driver-accused-killing -colts-player-edwin-jackson-undocumented-immigrant-has-been-deported-twice/ 306779002/

BTW, nice crew-cab F150 truck for an illegal. Kind of goes against the poor produce- picking picture painted by Pelosi.





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Tell me again how they respect the rule of law please?


Nothing funnier than Goober pretending to care about our laws, lol. Such a patriot he is! Is that Captain America in the forum?





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  posted on 2/9/2018 at 02:27 PM
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Tell me again how they respect the rule of law please?


Nothing funnier than Goober pretending to care about our laws, lol. Such a patriot he is! Is that Captain America in the forum?


You could answer his question.


 

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You could answer his question.


If I thought it was relevant, I would. Discussing whether or not it is disrespectful to American law, is as pointless as discussing whether smoking pot at a concert is disrespectful to American law. I find both to be silly. Just get over it already.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2018 at 03:15 PM
Actually in most of the US smoking pot at a concert is a far more serious crime than illegal border crossing.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2018 at 04:39 PM
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If I thought it was relevant, I would.


There you have it.

 

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You could answer his question.


If I thought it was relevant, I would.


There you have it.


No, there you have part of it. The rest of his post told the story. Nice cherry picking. You excel at that.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2018 at 05:59 PM
He's not interested in discussing the latter part of my post because he's only here to state that he hates an entire political party, like a true model citizen.
 

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He's not interested in discussing the latter part of my post because he's only here to state that he hates an entire political party, like a true model citizen.

I think he's trolling because he argues a stance, waits for replies, then backtracks and blames us for pigeonholing him. It's kinda bullcrap if you ask me.

 

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discussing whether smoking pot at a concert is disrespectful to American law.


Now that would depend on the State. "Disrespect" in quite a few States might be ...harsh, meaning you would have a decision to make. "Is it worth the risk" ? "Am I willing to pay the price if apprehended"?

 

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