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and like BIGV said, decided to get payback by electing someone that would torment them back. /-/ ...BIGV and KCJimmy, both acknowledged that Trump's presidency is an act of revenge.


My exact words were "If the shoe fits".

Point of Clarification, I am a Centrist Libertarian who does not match-up on every issue.....

But speak out against the left and you are a Conservative who supported Trump.

Maybe if you weren't so vague, beat-around-the-bush about your personal beliefs people wouldn't be so confused about where you stand.

You certainly argue like a Trump supporter. Maybe you just like to take liberals for a ride.

 

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Point of Clarification, I am a Centrist Libertarian who does not match-up on every issue.....


And only bashes the left, and says nothing negative about Trump supporters, not once. Freud might have something to say about that.

 

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You certainly argue like a Trump supporter.


I can't seem to put into words just how Anti-Liberal most of my belief systems are.

I believe in less Taxes & less Gubmint. I am Pro-Choice and love the dedication of the U.S. Military. I respect the Flag and believe in borders.

Classify me in anyway you wish.

 

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Less gubmint was always historically a
classic leftwing liberal stance. I don't know how or when it became a conservative thing. The word "liberal" means exactly what it says.

Whole world's upside down these days.

 

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I don't know how or when it became a conservative thing.


It is definitely a Libertarian "thing".

 

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Makes sense - "liberal" and "libertarian" are practically the same word.
 

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I am Pro-Choice and love the dedication of the U.S. Military. I respect the Flag and believe in borders.


At face value I agree with all of this. But, since I'm a member of "the Left," I actually don't.

Oh well!

 

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  posted on 2/11/2018 at 01:53 PM
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People who despised Trump said so openly, sometimes moments into opposing opinion. Those participating in the process did not care to be shouted down for their beliefs and retreated into the voting booth w/o having told anyone for whom they were casting their vote.


No one on "the Right" would not and never does anything like this at all, ever. No one on "the Right" has spent any energy at all for almost 30 years openly hating the Clintons.

C'mon.

 

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So the people upset about Shaun White dragging the flag or stepping on the American flag following his gold metal run yesterday are racist...against red heads maybe, or...something? I mean it has to be right, what other possible explanation could exist for anyone to care, it's just some stupid symbol, just a piece of cloth that doesn't mean or represent anything, it has to be about race. Clearly.


 

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Maybe if you weren't so vague, beat-around-the-bush about your personal beliefs people wouldn't be so confused about where you stand.


What a dilemma, how do you get through the day ?...I mean being confused about a post on this site?...Must really slow you down.

 

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Just another sad, white christian conservative evil bigot hiding behind this "America First" / MAGA disguise.


Just curious, what percentage of the U.S. population do you believe this pathetic little man represents?


Well, in 2016 there were 249,485,228 people over the age of 18 in the U.S. 62,984,825 people voted for him, so...25.245%?


So, this is what all Trump voters espouse?

Nope, large percentage though. Vast majority.

Why do you sound like you're just now finding out the character of this whole alt-right thing that put Trump into power? It's been on full display for like 3 years now.


OK, I'll bite. What's the percentage? Please post references.

There is no accurate data available because, as mentioned above, people are generally not honest, forthcoming, or even self-aware about their racist and bigoted attitudes.

My estimate is based on my observation that Trump voters tend to be cut from the same cloth, speak the same and take up all the same issues, and get their information from the same sources and support a president who makes racially charged/bigoted statements on the regular. You don't see much diversity in the Trump crowd, I think my estimate is accurate.



[Edited on 2/9/2018 by LeafontheWind]


Then you basically made up the "large percentage" part of your post? If there are no figures, how did you come up with that response?

I voted for Trump. Not because I necessarily liked him, but I just couldn't in good conscious vote for Clinton.
My main mantra this election cycle was that I am an ABC voter (Anybody But Clinton). I know many blacks in the mid Ga area that said they would not vote for Clinton, but I couoldn't give you a statistic on any percentage since there are a lot more blacks in the area than the ones I know and talk with.

So there is a diversity in the Trump voter pool and if you ask around you will find that maybe some of the people you know were not as inbred into the democratic party and thought that maybe if we elect somebody so different from the usual politicians this time that we might get some better candidates next time around.

Go out and talk with people instead of daily trying to find fault with those who voted for Trump. Find someone who voted for him and ask (pleasantly of course) of why they voted for him. You might get some answers that you actually like.

 

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Go out and talk with people instead of daily trying to find fault with those who voted for Trump. Find someone who voted for him and ask (pleasantly of course) of why they voted for him. You might get some answers that you actually like.

Look, you can say whatever you want about why you voted for him, but at the end of the day Trump stood at a podium an read an official declaration of intent to ban an entire religion from entering the county. And then you voted for him. There's nothing else I need to know about you and your "good conscious" (sic).

You could have not voted. You could have written in another Republican's name. You could have voted for HRC -- oh wait she's the anti-christ, nevermind.

Speaking of HRC, I voted for her. What singular platform issue of hers stands tall against Trump's Muslim Ban in terms of flat-out disgusting disregard for American / human values? I would love to know what the red line issue was for you where the banishment of an entire religion from entering the country becomes the lesser of two evils?


[Edited on 2/15/2018 by LeafontheWind]

 

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Go out and talk with people instead of daily trying to find fault with those who voted for Trump. Find someone who voted for him and ask (pleasantly of course) of why they voted for him. You might get some answers that you actually like.



(Quote)Look, you can say whatever you want about why you voted for him, but at the end of the day Trump stood at a podium an read an official declaration of intent to ban an entire religion from entering the county. And then you voted for him. There's nothing else I need to know about you and your "good conscious" (sic).(Quote)

Why do you insist on repeating a lie when I know that even you know it's a lie. He did not ban an entire religion from entering the country and you know it. So why do you go on with the lie?
If he had banned an entire religion from entering the country there would be no one from Malaysia, France, Turkey, Philippines, or any other country that were Muslin allowed in the country. The "travel ban" didn't affect
any one of a Muslin religion from any of those countries.
It did affect everyone in the countries of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen no matter what religion they were. So tell me again how that would ban an entire religion from entering the country.

(Quote)You could have not voted. You could have written in another Republican's name. You could have voted for HRC -- oh wait she's the anti-christ, nevermind.(Quote)

Remember, YOU called her the anti-christ, not me. No I will never vote for HRC and writing in a vote for a different candidate would not do what I wanted, keep your so called anti-christ out of the White House.

(Quote)Speaking of HRC, I voted for her. What singular platform issue of hers stands tall against Trump's Muslim Ban in terms of flat-out disgusting disregard for American / human values? I would love to know what the red line issue was for you where the banishment of an entire religion from entering the country becomes the lesser of two evils?(Quote)



There you go putting in that lie again.

PS: I feel sorry for you that you could only choose HRC and could not cast a vote showing that you want real change in the cesspool we call government, even if it takes another election cycle to do so.



 

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  posted on 2/15/2018 at 04:11 PM
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So why do you go on with the lie?


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There you go putting in that lie again.


I think you misunderstood, are misinformed, or simply got your timelines confused. You voted for a total ban on Muslims entering the country. Every. Single. Muslim.

I'll just leave this right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA

This is the one time it's OK to post a YouTube video as fact.

You can call me a liar if you want, but that's what was said and there's the proof. He's reading off an official press release. It doesn't get any more formal than that. Then you voted for it.

I am well aware of the actual, lesser travel restrictions that were implemented many months later. Long after you voted for Trump and a "TOTAL AND COMPLETE SHUTDOWN OF MUSLIMS ENTERING THE UNITED STATES".

I didn't and don't find the government to be a cesspool, that's a conservative attitude reinforced on a continual basis by conservative media.

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So why do you go on with the lie?


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There you go putting in that lie again.


I think you misunderstood, are misinformed, or simply got your timelines confused. You voted for a total ban on Muslims entering the country. Every. Single. Muslim.

I'll just leave this right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA

This is the one time it's OK to post a YouTube video as fact.

You can call me a liar if you want, but that's what was said and there's the proof. He's reading off an official press release. It doesn't get any more formal than that. Then you voted for it.

I am well aware of the actual, lesser travel restrictions that were implemented many months later. Long after you voted for Trump and a "TOTAL AND COMPLETE SHUTDOWN OF MUSLIMS ENTERING THE UNITED STATES".

I didn't and don't find the government to be a cesspool, that's a conservative attitude reinforced on a continual basis by conservative media.

[Edited on 2/15/2018 by LeafontheWind]


It's been a cesspool since after Kennedy. It's just that you are so used to it you don't know the difference.

You must not have listened to what Trump said because you must have missed "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

That means that you basically misunderstood, and were misinformed.

[Edited on 2/16/2018 by Jerry]

 

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So why do you go on with the lie?


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There you go putting in that lie again.


I think you misunderstood, are misinformed, or simply got your timelines confused. You voted for a total ban on Muslims entering the country. Every. Single. Muslim.

I'll just leave this right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA

This is the one time it's OK to post a YouTube video as fact.

You can call me a liar if you want, but that's what was said and there's the proof. He's reading off an official press release. It doesn't get any more formal than that. Then you voted for it.

I am well aware of the actual, lesser travel restrictions that were implemented many months later. Long after you voted for Trump and a "TOTAL AND COMPLETE SHUTDOWN OF MUSLIMS ENTERING THE UNITED STATES".

I didn't and don't find the government to be a cesspool, that's a conservative attitude reinforced on a continual basis by conservative media.

[Edited on 2/15/2018 by LeafontheWind]


It's been a cesspool since after Kennedy. It's just that you are so used to it you don't know the difference.

You must not have listened to what Trump said because you must have missed "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

That means that you basically misunderstood, and were misinformed.

[Edited on 2/16/2018 by Jerry]

So banning an entire religion from entering the US is OK, so long as an arbitrary time qualifier is attached?

Have they figured it out yet Jerry? Because it's been a over a year now.

I still think most Trump voters are bigots. So far this conversation is reinforcing my opinion, not changing it.

 

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So why do you go on with the lie?


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There you go putting in that lie again.


I think you misunderstood, are misinformed, or simply got your timelines confused. You voted for a total ban on Muslims entering the country. Every. Single. Muslim.

I'll just leave this right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA

This is the one time it's OK to post a YouTube video as fact.

You can call me a liar if you want, but that's what was said and there's the proof. He's reading off an official press release. It doesn't get any more formal than that. Then you voted for it.

I am well aware of the actual, lesser travel restrictions that were implemented many months later. Long after you voted for Trump and a "TOTAL AND COMPLETE SHUTDOWN OF MUSLIMS ENTERING THE UNITED STATES".

I didn't and don't find the government to be a cesspool, that's a conservative attitude reinforced on a continual basis by conservative media.

[Edited on 2/15/2018 by LeafontheWind]


It's been a cesspool since after Kennedy. It's just that you are so used to it you don't know the difference.

You must not have listened to what Trump said because you must have missed "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

That means that you basically misunderstood, and were misinformed.

[Edited on 2/16/2018 by Jerry]

So banning an entire religion from entering the US is OK, so long as an arbitrary time qualifier is attached?

Have they figured it out yet Jerry? Because it's been a over a year now.

I still think most Trump voters are bigots. So far this conversation is reinforcing my opinion, not changing it.


Sorry that you don't understand words, but you do know that when he tried to implement his travel ban it was for a period of 90 days and only for the previously mentioned countries, not a ban on Muslims entering the country.
Since you seem to have all the knowledge of the "ban", would you like to expand our knowledge on what was to happen during those 90 days?

 

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hey Leaf. I see in the board index that you posted at 9:07 PM tonight, but the last post shown is mine at 9:00pm.
Have you posted in the last 10 minutes?

 

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So why do you go on with the lie?


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There you go putting in that lie again.


I think you misunderstood, are misinformed, or simply got your timelines confused. You voted for a total ban on Muslims entering the country. Every. Single. Muslim.

I'll just leave this right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA

This is the one time it's OK to post a YouTube video as fact.

You can call me a liar if you want, but that's what was said and there's the proof. He's reading off an official press release. It doesn't get any more formal than that. Then you voted for it.

I am well aware of the actual, lesser travel restrictions that were implemented many months later. Long after you voted for Trump and a "TOTAL AND COMPLETE SHUTDOWN OF MUSLIMS ENTERING THE UNITED STATES".

I didn't and don't find the government to be a cesspool, that's a conservative attitude reinforced on a continual basis by conservative media.

[Edited on 2/15/2018 by LeafontheWind]


It's been a cesspool since after Kennedy. It's just that you are so used to it you don't know the difference.

You must not have listened to what Trump said because you must have missed "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

That means that you basically misunderstood, and were misinformed.

[Edited on 2/16/2018 by Jerry]

So banning an entire religion from entering the US is OK, so long as an arbitrary time qualifier is attached?

Have they figured it out yet Jerry? Because it's been a over a year now.

I still think most Trump voters are bigots. So far this conversation is reinforcing my opinion, not changing it.


Sorry that you don't understand words, but you do know that when he tried to implement his travel ban it was for a period of 90 days and only for the previously mentioned countries, not a ban on Muslims entering the country.
Since you seem to have all the knowledge of the "ban", would you like to expand our knowledge on what was to happen during those 90 days?

You voted for Trump based on an executive order that was drafted months later?

How is this possible? How did you know in November 2016 that it was to be only 90 days, and only for a small group of countries?

Here's the timeline:

December 7, 2015: Candidate Donald Trump calls for ban on all Muslims entering the United States for an unspecified/arbitrary period of time

November 8, 2016: With no moral/ethical objections to aforementioned Muslim ban, Conservatives flock by the millions to polls to cast their vote for Donald Trump

January 7, 2017: President Donald Trump signs EO 13769 banning travel into USA thru March 16, 2017 from a select list of (Muslim majority) countries

 

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So why do you go on with the lie?


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There you go putting in that lie again.


I think you misunderstood, are misinformed, or simply got your timelines confused. You voted for a total ban on Muslims entering the country. Every. Single. Muslim.

I'll just leave this right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA

This is the one time it's OK to post a YouTube video as fact.

You can call me a liar if you want, but that's what was said and there's the proof. He's reading off an official press release. It doesn't get any more formal than that. Then you voted for it.

I am well aware of the actual, lesser travel restrictions that were implemented many months later. Long after you voted for Trump and a "TOTAL AND COMPLETE SHUTDOWN OF MUSLIMS ENTERING THE UNITED STATES".

I didn't and don't find the government to be a cesspool, that's a conservative attitude reinforced on a continual basis by conservative media.

[Edited on 2/15/2018 by LeafontheWind]


It's been a cesspool since after Kennedy. It's just that you are so used to it you don't know the difference.

You must not have listened to what Trump said because you must have missed "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

That means that you basically misunderstood, and were misinformed.

[Edited on 2/16/2018 by Jerry]

So banning an entire religion from entering the US is OK, so long as an arbitrary time qualifier is attached?

Have they figured it out yet Jerry? Because it's been a over a year now.

I still think most Trump voters are bigots. So far this conversation is reinforcing my opinion, not changing it.


Sorry that you don't understand words, but you do know that when he tried to implement his travel ban it was for a period of 90 days and only for the previously mentioned countries, not a ban on Muslims entering the country.
Since you seem to have all the knowledge of the "ban", would you like to expand our knowledge on what was to happen during those 90 days?

You voted for Trump based on an executive order that was drafted months later?

How is this possible? How did you know in November 2016 that it was to be only 90 days, and only for a small group of countries?

Here's the timeline:

December 7, 2015: Candidate Donald Trump calls for ban on all Muslims entering the United States for an unspecified/arbitrary period of time

November 8, 2016: With no moral/ethical objections to aforementioned Muslim ban, Conservatives flock by the millions to polls to cast their vote for Donald Trump

January 7, 2017: President Donald Trump signs EO 13769 banning travel into USA thru March 16, 2017 from a select list of (Muslim majority) countries


1) No, I can't predict the future so i didn't know about the length of delay.
2) That was not a reason I voted for Trump.
3) Glad you finally recognized that it was Muslim majority countries listed and not just Muslims.
4) You haven't explained what the 90 day "ban" was for.

 

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2) That was not a reason I voted for Trump.

When you cast you vote, you're endorsing the entire candidate. You can't just ignore a proposed ban on all Muslims because you liked Trump otherwise, it's akin to saying you thought Hitler was a good leader because you liked his economic policy. Some issues cannot be overlooked.

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3) Glad you finally recognized that it was Muslim majority countries listed and not just Muslims.
4) You haven't explained what the 90 day "ban" was for.

I'm not addressing the EO. You keep bringing up the EO as if that's going to somehow retroactively change what you knew at the time you cast your vote? Trump could have never introduced any travel ban EO at all, it still wouldn't change my opinion about someone who voted for a Muslim ban. The EO is completely irrelevant in this context because it happened several months after the election. When you cast your vote, it was a ban on ALL MUSLIMS period end of story.

If we're still on different pages here, save your breath man. Agree to disagree. We live on different planets. You can have the last word if you want it.

[Edited on 2/16/2018 by LeafontheWind]

 

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